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JGBeagle posted:I'd rather spend my HP on roster slots. Hah, I forgot about the drat roster slots, too, which seem reasonable in a F2P game. But I've dropped 20 bucks and some earned HP on slots and I'm gonna need more soon, which means I lose, again, another week or three of earned HP. With slots, shields, and the pushes towards increased health pack usage, it feels like they want to make it REALLY hard to save meaningful HP...so the only way to reliably level a low-cover character is by dropping 50 dollars on HP, which, seriously, is just not gonna happen for the vast majority. It especially sucks because almost all the 3-star villains look cool as hell to use, but literally the only progress I've been able to make on them since I started playing is very, very rarely opening one in a random pack. I still don't have Magneto red or Hood yellow, which I would love to be able to play with. Phenotype fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Jan 27, 2014 |
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So long as they don't replace my precious Lightning Rounds with this pay-to-enter crap I'm OK with it.
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JGBeagle posted:I'd rather spend my HP on roster slots. What if the roster slot was for Bagman?
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Largepotato posted:What if the roster slot was for Bagman? Then the slot stays open until I find a good cover to fill.
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Roster slots are the only thing I spend HC on. It's all about the collection even Bagman.
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300 HP to enter? Heh heh heh heh heh no.
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This might go away if they end up paying out significantly more HP than they bleed in entries. I have no idea how many whales there are so it's possible maybe?
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rabidsquid posted:This might go away if they end up paying out significantly more HP than they bleed in entries. I have no idea how many whales there are so it's possible maybe? 112,500 HP given out across all ranks. At 300HP per entry that's 375 entrants for break even, and they have a couple of thousand last I checked early after it went up.
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Bruceski posted:112,500 HP given out across all ranks. At 300HP per entry that's 375 entrants for break even, and they have a couple of thousand last I checked early after it went up. A Casino would like those numbers.
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Jan 27, 2014 22:55
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I still hate the non-refreshing battle values. Just beat the 230 Ares-Juggs-Yelena for 1 point.
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Jan 27, 2014 23:08
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Good god, a patch with level 4 green is just absurd.  When you have 8 strike tiles with like 140 strength each even the level 230 enemies go down with minimal effort.
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I can't even place high in the PVE event 'cause I only have a green cover Patch and I'm forced to take him into L200+ missions. The mini-events should reset and not maintain the difficulty from the previous mini-event. I'm barely squeaking by with copious Spidey stun/heal abuse. None of these missions would be playable without him.
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GeckoMissingo posted:Good god, a patch with level 4 green is just absurd.
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Eddain posted:I can't even place high in the PVE event 'cause I only have a green cover Patch and I'm forced to take him into L200+ missions. The mini-events should reset and not maintain the difficulty from the previous mini-event. Wow, did that just screw me over. I thought I had a shot at the Patch rewards this go round, and in the last hour or so, all my missions went down to 1 point each, a handful of people started doing multiple-point missions of their own, and I dropped down to top 10 for 3 useless Heroic tokens. With the inaccessible Patch mission staring me in the face with enough points to lock in 2-3 more Patch covers... And now, oh my god is the next mission going to be a pain in the rear end starting with level 200 goons and 230 Dark Avengers. (Actually, I got a yellow Spiderman off the tokens, which means I have him at 3/5/4(!), but he was already 95% effective when I got 5 blue, so I would have preferred virtually anything else. For some reason, I always pull Spiderman when I get lucky. Shouldn't complain, but my playable roster still isn't growing.) Phenotype fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Jan 28, 2014 |
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Yeah, this whole prize & mission structure of "Can't win one unless you already have one" is really pissing me off with this one. Managed to win a red & yellow Patch in the first subevent somehow...but now i'm pretty much hosed for winning a green since lack thereof turns his forced missions into a hideous luck-based grind with no strike tiles.quote:Wow, did that just screw me over. I thought I had a shot at the Patch rewards this go round, and in the last hour or so, all my missions went down to 1 point each, a handful of people started doing multiple-point missions of their own, and I dropped down to top 10 for 3 useless Heroic tokens. With the inaccessible Patch mission staring me in the face with enough points to lock in 2-3 more Patch covers... And now, oh my god is the next mission going to be a pain in the rear end starting with level 200 goons and 230 Dark Avengers. I was in 2nd place in my bracket when I left work an hour before the end, got home and I (probably barely) made top 100. At least I snagged another Now! Magneto from the tokens.
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 Pulled this out of my rear end. I didn't even do most of the missions because I ran out of time. I had done only the two hardest missions 10 hours before the end and fortunately they refreshed in the last 17 minutes and I beat them again, throwing me into the lead by a lot, apparently. I attempted to widen my lead but actually lost a mission at the buzzer but still got 1st.
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At work, so no time to grind for me. Well, maybe the elite comp will take the pressure off the other competitions.
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Phenotype posted:(Actually, I got a yellow Spiderman off the tokens, which means I have him at 3/5/4(!), but he was already 95% effective when I got 5 blue, so I would have preferred virtually anything else. For some reason, I always pull Spiderman when I get lucky. Shouldn't complain, but my playable roster still isn't growing.) I wish I could get any more covers for Spider Man, i've only got the 1 yellow. I have been lucky with Patch so far and have 4 or 5 for him but not having a decent spiderman has lost me 1st place twice now in these rounds of PVE. The last two rounds have had high paying missions with Spiderman and I am only falling 30 or so points behind so far.
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Did they buff normal token drops for something? I got 2 (no idea from what just noticed I had them) and a co-worker had 1 from doing the story (he recently started) I pulled 2 Ironman 40s and he pulled a Loki. I'm guessing its just stupid luck, but if they had events like most of the Japanese lotto games where you get increased odds for 2/3 star and better odds for 4 Stars but heavily skewed towards like 2-3 then I think it would be worth maybe dumping $20-30 into the game to try and pull good stuff. People would dump this HP into tokens and get rid of all the excess. Of course for this to work they'll need 50+ heroes, but they could seriously monetize the poo poo out of the game that way instead of finding really hosed up ways to squeeze people's balls. Seriously they changed the splash to say "launch" add a "Chapter 1" to the story and like 24 new guys and start events like this. I mean if they reuse most of the abilities for 1/2 stars and have "standard" things They can make 3/4 the "end game"
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SynthOrange posted:At work, so no time to grind for me. My total playtime for the tournament was less than half an hour I think. Total of 8 matches, so first is in reach for everyone.
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I think the only thing keeping me playing this is the fun to be had trying to figure out how to game the new bullshit mechanics introduced every week or two.
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Seems pretty obvious that the Elite tournament is a HC sink. Must have been too much at the top levels, I guess.
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pixaal posted:Did they buff normal token drops for something? I got 2 (no idea from what just noticed I had them) and a co-worker had 1 from doing the story (he recently started) I pulled 2 Ironman 40s and he pulled a Loki. I recall reading that in some Japanese games with similar models, user complaints were tracked and when too many people complained about the RNG being bad, drop rates were temporarily raised on the fly to placate users and keep them paying. Could've just been a rumor, and there's no guarantee the MPQ devs are doing it even if it was true, but with the way they've been acting recently it's not even that 
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Varinn posted:Seems pretty obvious that the Elite tournament is a HC sink. Must have been too much at the top levels, I guess. I'm sorely tempted to enter it, as I've got 400 HC that weren't IAP'd and I think I can grind out a top 30 finish in the last three hours of the event. I tend to do pretty well in these things and I believe I have the characters and strategy to work it, especially since no characters are buffed in this event.
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Happy Bear Suit posted:So long as they don't replace my precious Lightning Rounds with this pay-to-enter crap I'm OK with it. This was how I had fun with the Lightning Rounds, but I guess since nobody can Bagman anymore, it might not be as bad as I am thinking. Puweyxil fucked around with this message at 02:19 on Jan 28, 2014 |
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I lucked out with Scotland Yard -- had to finish early because of some outside timing concerns, then watched myself go from 2nd to 3rd to 4th to 5th to thank god it ended now while I'm still in 5th, so I got another yellow Patch cover. 3/5/3 now, figuring (a) waste not, want not and (b) Red will lose less utility than Green once the UberPatch bug is fixed. 67M of 70M complete, so something should be happening shortly.
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I just don't get why people get so CRAZY paranoid about the devs of this game. Like every single time they do anything, it's for some crazy sinister Machiavellian way to steal your money. If you're that concerned that the devs are antagonistically balancing the game, don't spend any money on it! I havent spent a dime, and I do pretty decently for myself, especially since they enabled standard tokens to technically have a chance to pull rare covers. If you're dropping shitloads of real cash on a single character cover, in this of all games, you're making a huge mistake. It's been super obvious for awhile now that having a bunch of leveled covers is a way better idea, since they love doing events with huge buffs to groups of heroes, and specific hero requirements for missions.
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Varinn posted:I just don't get why people get so CRAZY paranoid about the devs of this game. Like every single time they do anything, it's for some crazy sinister Machiavellian way to steal your money. If you're that concerned that the devs are antagonistically balancing the game, don't spend any money on it! I havent spent a dime, and I do pretty decently for myself, especially since they enabled standard tokens to technically have a chance to pull rare covers. I just now got a Grey Widow cover off a standard cover token that I got from a pve mission reward. Pretty happy about that.
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messagemode1 posted:My total playtime for the tournament was less than half an hour I think. Total of 8 matches, so first is in reach for everyone. You got extremely lucky and were in a group with nobody able of doing the later missions. Varinn posted:I just don't get why people get so CRAZY paranoid about the devs of this game. Like every single time they do anything, it's for some crazy sinister Machiavellian way to steal your money. If you're that concerned that the devs are antagonistically balancing the game, don't spend any money on it! I havent spent a dime, and I do pretty decently for myself, especially since they enabled standard tokens to technically have a chance to pull rare covers. There is nothing Machiavellian about it. They pretty much come and say "we want your money, ok?" very loud and clear. I also have gotten like 3 3-star covers out of regular tokens (my first actual cover was that Hood guy) but that doesn't mean they are not trying to (pretty clumsily) find a way to better monetize the game. trucutru fucked around with this message at 04:39 on Jan 28, 2014 |
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The planned changes for Thor and Wolverine: http://www.d3pforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2636 Edit: Anyone with a 3/5/5 Thor or 5/5/3 Wolverine is suddenly happy. Also: "Given that the scope of these refinements, we plan to temporarily increase the sell prices on Wolverine (and Thor) once these changes are rolled out." chrisf fucked around with this message at 04:41 on Jan 28, 2014 |
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If their random doesn't roll for rarity then sub-roll for character, but instead rolls against all the characters with a weighting based on rarity then the odds actually will have improved marginally over time simply because they haven't been adding any 1-star characters.Varinn posted:I just don't get why people get so CRAZY paranoid about the devs of this game. Like every single time they do anything, it's for some crazy sinister Machiavellian way to steal your money. If you're that concerned that the devs are antagonistically balancing the game, don't spend any money on it! I havent spent a dime, and I do pretty decently for myself, especially since they enabled standard tokens to technically have a chance to pull rare covers. The lifeblood of their model is player engagement, but paradoxically they have to put in pay gates to fund the content that drives engagement. Internally I'm sure there's people comparing them to the major players of this model who are turning over millions+ in a week, and it would be unusual not to have pressure to obtain those kind of numbers somehow.
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I've commented about it before as a casual player. All the price points are too high and not worth enough/too random for me to spend much on them, AND there's a huge pricing gap in the hp packs as well, jumping straight from $5 to $20. Wolvie's changes: The important thing is strikes are still pretty powerful, but you're always spending 6ap now. The biggest nerf is actually to his healing, which requires a yellow match now, but with OBW and Spidey, I dgaf. Let's take a look over Thor then. ... OH GOD THOR WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO YOU Okay, looks like they've re-weighted the damage based on the colour flow he can cause. Red feeds into yellow feeds into green. Red being the weakest attack now, yellow, midtier with green being the finale teamkilling strike. That's a pretty huge shakeup for thor. IceIX posted:Keep in mind that Ragnarok is also still missing a third ability which will help him in utility and bring his power up another 26 levels. 
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I don't think anybody has a problem with them attempting to monetize the game, the problem is how they're going about it. A model more in line with what Puzzle & Dragons does would be much more palatable than IAP shields and IAP tournaments. The cover system is a poor design to get IAP purchases from all but the biggest whales. It's much better than the cover per level design at launch, but in something like PAD once you roll that rare god he's some XP and evolution mats away from being fully playable. In Marvel you don't need one lucky roll, you need thirteen. Even if you get your thirteen lucky rolls they've made it clear the nerf bat may be lurking around the corner to invalidate your sizeable investment.
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Yeah I agree. I would've easily dropped more cash than I have ($6) if $10 got me a full set of comic covers for a character or allowed me to max out their level, as that would reduce the randomness or the grind - but the only thing to reliably spend it on is character slots because of randomness and the huge overpricing of ISO to levels. Wolverine looks destroyed. Half-strength strike tiles at twice the cost means he's no longer good support, and healing requiring a yellow match and <50% health means that unless you have a yellow-user all he can do is tread water if he's being beaten on. At least his red is no longer garbage. I quite like the Thor changes - Call the Storm looks usable now, but wow that Mjolnir nerf. e: quote:IceIX Feedback: Wolverine isn't a tank. That's Colossus or Thor's job. 
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trucutru posted:You got extremely lucky and were in a group with nobody able of doing the later missions. I wouldn't be so sure. I went from 178 to first place in my bracket within an hour of play time just by playing every mission a couple of times. Having a patch with 4 green helped tear through the missions but I think the rubberbanding is just really strong in this event. e: I should also note that second place had like 20 less points than me at the end so he would have had to do the later missions a couple of times as well. Mr. Whale fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Jan 28, 2014 |
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My Thor is sitting at 3/4/2 at the moment. 3/5/5 definitely looks like the best path now right?
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BGrifter posted:I don't think anybody has a problem with them attempting to monetize the game, the problem is how they're going about it. A model more in line with what Puzzle & Dragons does would be much more palatable than IAP shields and IAP tournaments. And still no respec option on the characters that you've upgraded and would cost hundreds of dollars to reacquire and level up if you were to do it solely through IAP. (don't do IAP)
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quote:Hey All, I'm just benching dudes I want to respec. No telling when it'll come, so just waiting and seeing while playing with newer toys. quote:Re-posting here in the bugs section for further visibility: 
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