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This looks like it could be the beginning of the end for the NCAA's student athlete farce. Northwestern University's football team has filed paperwork to unionize.Chicagoist posted:
source: http://chicagoist.com/2014/01/28/northwestern_university_football_pl.php So what does everyone think about this? Is there any chance this works out? I don't know enough about labor law to know if the NLRB and others will approve the unionization. edit: This article http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/1/28/5354718/college-football-players-union-pay-for-play lays out the demands the NU football players are demanding. axeil fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Jan 29, 2014 |
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Burn down the NCAA. I hope more schools follow suit and attack the NCAA from multiple angles at once.
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# ? Jan 28, 2014 22:56 |
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I hope it succeeds, Workers Of The World, Unite! The NLRB is actually doing stuff now right? Obama finally got his appointments to the board through?
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# ? Jan 28, 2014 22:58 |
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Northwestern is about to have the worst walkon squad in the country.
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rscott posted:I hope it succeeds, Workers Of The World, Unite! As far as I remember he recess appointed them a while back. And now that the Senate abolished the filibuster for executive branch appointments I believe the spots are filled permanently.
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# ? Jan 28, 2014 23:03 |
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I've always really liked Northwestern and now I like them more
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# ? Jan 28, 2014 23:09 |
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I read some article that said a Colorado judge in the 50's ruled that "athletes" should be treated like "employees" when it comes to pay and benefits and such. The NCAA promptly created the "student-athlete" label to get around the ruling. Waiting for a TFF lawyer to check in on on this issue
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# ? Jan 28, 2014 23:22 |
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Is this a big of a deal as it sounds, or one of those things that seems like it could change things but is really a footnote?
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Athanatos posted:Is this a big of a deal as it sounds, or one of those things that seems like it could change things but is really a footnote? One of the major things they're pushing for is paying football and basketball players so it depends what you think that will change.
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# ? Jan 28, 2014 23:31 |
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Patrick Hruby's got a long article about the implications: http://therotation.sportsonearthblog.com/can-college-athletes-unionize/
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I think instead of asking to be paid by the schools, what the union would be asking for is the right for student-athletes to go make money on their own, because the schools act like the gestapo when it comes to trying to get cash.
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Bigger thing than the pay, in my opinion, is that if they are treated as employees, then universities will have to cover things like workman's comp, possibly even unemployment. The insurance costs alone would possibly be cause enough for a lot of schools to shut down their programs.
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Is Mourningview going to be forced to say something positive about Northwestern?
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ESPN's Legal Guy also weighed in on this http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/10366061/northwestern-players-attempt-unionize-likely-fail-impact-far-reaching
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swickles posted:Burn down the NCAA. I hope more schools follow suit and attack the NCAA from multiple angles at once. Universities want no part in actually paying student athletes. Why would they? It'd hurt their bottom line. I'm also in favor of this action. Students are expected to treat their sport like a full time job in terms of preparation and commitment; I have no problem with them demanding some form of wages. Yes, they get scholarships, but that doesn't even cover the full cost of attending school. superaielman fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Jan 29, 2014 |
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Bigass Moth posted:Northwestern is about to have the worst walkon squad in the country.
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The sooner this happens the better. I want carnage, gently caress the NCAA.
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# ? Jan 29, 2014 00:10 |
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Yesss, burn the NCAA to the loving ground
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Intruder posted:Is Mourningview going to be forced to say something positive about Northwestern? It's not gonna work so nah
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DOOP posted:I read some article that said a Colorado judge in the 50's ruled that "athletes" should be treated like "employees" when it comes to pay and benefits and such. The NCAA promptly created the "student-athlete" label to get around the ruling. This was in the Taylor Branch article from a couple years back, and originally comes from Walter Byers' Unsportsmanlike Conduct. The Colorado cases (one where a player not on grant-in-aid was injured during spring practice at Denver and successfully sued for worker's compensation, and one about a year later where a player on grant-in-aid died on the field and his wife unsuccessfully sued Fort Lewis A&M for workers' compensation) actually came after the definition of the term, which dates back to the early 1950s: Walter Byers posted:... It was then that they came face to face with a serious, external threat that prompted most of the colleges to unite and insist with one voice that, grant-in-aid or not, college sports still were only for "amateurs." That thread was the dreaded notion that NCAA athletes could be identified as employees by state industrial commissions and the courts. We crafted the term student-athlete, and soon it was embedded in all NCAA rules and interpretations as a mandated substitute for such words as players and athletes. We told college publicists to speak of "college teams," not football or basketball "clubs," a word common to the pros. Basil Hayden fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Jan 29, 2014 |
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This is the beginning of the end of the NCAA. It may also be the beginning of the end for college sports.
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# ? Jan 29, 2014 00:35 |
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Roll drat Northwestern
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# ? Jan 29, 2014 00:42 |
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The interesting thing about this coming from Northwestern is that the program comes pretty close to fulfilling what NCAA likes to tout as type of benefits for its student-athletes in football and basketball. NU players must meet academic standards higher than the NCAA's minimums, their tuition is valuable than many other schools' because of Northwestern's insane, exorbitant tuition, and they almost all graduate. The fact that this effort is coming from Northwestern of all places is just more of a demonstration of the NCAA's greed and hypocrisy when it comes to fair compensation for athletes.
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# ? Jan 29, 2014 00:51 |
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Each player on the roster gets paid a standard flat fee from general merchandising and tv rights etc. Additionally, players get paid a percentage of any merchandise sold with their specific name or likeness on (jerseys etc.). Players are allowed to use their likeness to earn money outside of official college merchandising, but pay a percentage of these activities back to the school. All players are insured under a standard policy that pays out for serious injury which is covered by the NCAA and not individual schools (so smaller, less profitable schools don't get whacked on insurance claims). Players still have to enrol and attend classes like any other student and must remain academically eligible in order to play. Problem solved.
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Komet posted:This is the beginning of the end of the NCAA. It may also be the beginning of the end for college sports. Here's hoping. Universities would be smart to jump ship and spin off their athletic departments.
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axeil posted:As far as I remember he recess appointed them a while back. And now that the Senate abolished the filibuster for executive branch appointments I believe the spots are filled permanently. The validity of those recess appointments is at the center of a Supreme Court case that was recently argued and will be decided by June, so while I would assume that any NLRB determination made under the tenure of those appointees would be valid regardless of the judgment on the appointments (as the Justices as much as said in oral argument), who the gently caress even knows with the Roberts Court sometimes. So there're a lot of fun dimensions to this.
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# ? Jan 29, 2014 01:02 |
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Next stop student assistants/interns??? (No)
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tanglewood1420 posted:Each player on the roster gets paid a standard flat fee from general merchandising and tv rights etc. Additionally, players get paid a percentage of any merchandise sold with their specific name or likeness on (jerseys etc.). Players are allowed to use their likeness to earn money outside of official college merchandising, but pay a percentage of these activities back to the school. All players are insured under a standard policy that pays out for serious injury which is covered by the NCAA and not individual schools (so smaller, less profitable schools don't get whacked on insurance claims). Players still have to enrol and attend classes like any other student and must remain academically eligible in order to play. That's a lot of loving money the NCAA and schools are not going to be willing to pay out. I would expect to see a lot of programs shuttering rather than dealing with that kind of outlay of money. I'm all for pressuring the NCAA to change and (Like most everyone here) think the way they treat athletes is pretty lovely, but I don't think that solution is at all realistic.
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superaielman posted:That's a lot of loving money the NCAA and schools are not going to be willing to pay out. I would expect to see a lot of programs shuttering rather than dealing with that kind of outlay of money. I'm all for pressuring the NCAA to change and (Like most everyone here) think the way they treat athletes is pretty lovely, but I don't think that solution is at all realistic. The TV money would hurt but I think merchandise sales might go up if they're actually name branded (especially if schools can reissue classic jerseys), the rest of it is either a new revenue stream or is a cost that is spread pretty far as to not be too terrible.
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tanglewood1420 posted:Each player on the roster gets paid a standard flat fee from general merchandising and tv rights etc. Additionally, players get paid a percentage of any merchandise sold with their specific name or likeness on (jerseys etc.). Players are allowed to use their likeness to earn money outside of official college merchandising, but pay a percentage of these activities back to the school. All players are insured under a standard policy that pays out for serious injury which is covered by the NCAA and not individual schools (so smaller, less profitable schools don't get whacked on insurance claims). Players still have to enrol and attend classes like any other student and must remain academically eligible in order to play. Or you'd just see a majority of college programs completely shut down because school can't/won't make that size of investment. They won't win so it doesn't really matter. Whip Slagcheek fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Jan 29, 2014 |
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Whip Slagcheek posted:Or you'd just see a majority of college programs completely shut down because school can't/won't make that size of investment. Good.
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I loathe unions, but if this gets us closer to the NCFL, I'll back it like FDR showering Stalin with weapons.
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Northwestern truly is Chicago's Big Ten team
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this loving owns, go wildcats poo poo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN8kGzHH00I roll drat union, kill the ncaa fascists
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# ? Jan 29, 2014 01:29 |
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Modern American universities are a farce and I'm in favor of anything that might kill them quicker.
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# ? Jan 29, 2014 01:30 |
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Maybe if some teams can only operate because of unfair labour practices then they should be forced to close rather than allow the continued financial exploitation of the young and talented??
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# ? Jan 29, 2014 02:09 |
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I can't believe it's taken this long for something like this to happen, and hopefully college sports finally get off the public payroll at major state universities (at the very least). It absolutely boils my blood that huge sums are devoted to renovating sports facilities and providing amenities (inaccessible to the majority of the student body) for a tiny sliver of incredibly talented athletes, based on huge donations from alumni who give money specifically for sports. The inanity of admitting these students to universities in the first place, when many (though not all) are demonstrably unqualified for higher education is equally ridiculous. Universities should be centers of education and research, not development leagues for the national professional sports associations. Having actual development leagues for college-age players would be a start (not being familiar with football or basketball, do these exist already?). Even spin-off athletics programs associated with the university (but independent from it) like other people in the thread have mentioned would be great.
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I've never been in favor of directly paying student athletes (colleges are for education, not minor league sports development), but if they want to use this as leverage for expanded athletic scholarships, medical insurance, travel expenses, more comped shopping sprees at Under Armour, etc. then I could get on board. Anything to even the playing field against the NCAA's exploitation that's gotten out of control. edit: Or something like what Idiot Wind said too. Something needs to change, dunno if this is the way to go about it but if it kicks the association in the rear end enough to maybe consider restructuring then it should be worth it Hazo fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Jan 29, 2014 |
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I've always really liked Northwestern and now I like them more Amen.
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Needs More Ditka posted:Modern American universities are a farce and I'm in favor of anything that might kill them quicker. The problems that plague American universities plague all universities.
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