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Do the Kal Jericho and other Necromunda books go into much detail? I never bothered to read them but they seem like the kind of thing that'd be mostly civilian life.
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Arquinsiel posted:Do the Kal Jericho and other Necromunda books go into much detail? I never bothered to read them but they seem like the kind of thing that'd be mostly civilian life. They seemed to focus on a very specific set of lifestyles in a hive. Like I'd say they give as good a portrayal of day to day civilian life as the bar and space port did in Star Wars. Though you should read them just for THE REDEEMER (or redemptionist) I forget.
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Jan 28, 2014 18:36
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The two dark heresy tie in novels from sandy Mitchell had some glimpses too
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Does anyone else find it funny how so many BL authors basically ignore Ork personality? Like, in Helsreach, you'd never tell that Orks shout stuff like 'kill da umies'. I mean, that's good, but it's interesting.
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Jan 28, 2014 19:01
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SUPER NEAT TOY posted:Does anyone else find it funny how so many BL authors basically ignore Ork personality? I'm pretty sure that "Officially," the Orks speak in a barbaric, guttural xenos language that the common Imperial has no understanding of, though communication between the two is quite possible with some practice. I personally like to envision it that the Orks' language is just so lowbrow that Imperials think they're speaking a xenos tongue. "Oi dere 'umies! Oi's gonna splatta ya proppa wit me here deff stick! WAAAAAGGH" "Holy throne, is it saying something to us in its crazy xenos language? How strange and hideous it sounds!"
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Jan 28, 2014 19:41
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One Legged Cat posted:This. Probably the most "Life in the Imperium"-based novels I've read. Lots of detailed description about how the lives of the various classes go, how they relate to each other, and gives a good glimpse into what it's like being an Imperial citizen in these times (not great). Also, just like the life of an Imperial citizen, it's a horrendous slog to get through. Great RPG source material, bad novel.
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Jan 28, 2014 19:47
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SUPER NEAT TOY posted:Does anyone else find it funny how so many BL authors basically ignore Ork personality?
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Jan 28, 2014 19:54
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Depends on what version of the fluff you're looking at. The Imperium used to hire Blood Axe tribes to do mercenary work out on the frontiers back in 3rd ed because 1: they work for shiny metal 2: kill two lots of xenos at once. There are also mentions of some veteran IG and Space Marines learning how to speak just enough Orkish to work out how many guards are around a campfire and the like, or to shout "Hey, look at this!". Going further back there used to be lots of talk of trade between Orks and Squats before the Orks wrecked everything by being Orks, giving Squats the usual fantasy Dwarf "grudge" against them. Obviously communication is possible, but to what level depends on which story is being told.
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Jan 28, 2014 20:03
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berzerkmonkey posted:There are Orks who speak Gothic though - in a few stories, the protagonist has been surprised to hear an Ork speaking a human language. Those Orks have usually had some severe head trauma though and have had a Mad Dok tinkering around in their brainpan. One of the Yarrick stories has Ghazkull speaking Gothic quite well. http://1d4chan.org/wiki/%22Da_Tragedy_of_Hamlet,_boss_of_Denmark%22_by_Shake-da-boss-pole quote:Being an ork and lacking any writing implements (or indeed an alphabet to use it), he instead used an Imperial vox transcriber operated by unfortunate human captives. The recording, as well as mostly undecipherable notes were captured by victorious troops... The lost Act 2, Scene 1 was recovered in a crashed Fighta-Bomma where it was used to patch a hole in the hull.
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Jan 28, 2014 20:22
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It depends on the story for me. Them talking is fine for lighter ork-themed stuff but when they're supposed to be a terrifying unstoppable horde, I like the ones you can't understand. I just can't take them seriously if they're all talking like Dick Van Dyke out of Mary Poppins (Chim-chim-cheree a choppa's as lucky as a choppa can be!).
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Jan 28, 2014 20:24
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Lincoln`s Wax posted:It depends on the story for me. Them talking is fine for lighter ork-themed stuff but when they're supposed to be a terrifying unstoppable horde, I like the ones you can't understand. I just can't take them seriously if they're all talking like Dick Van Dyke out of Mary Poppins (Chim-chim-cheree a choppa's as lucky as a choppa can be!).
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Jan 28, 2014 20:28
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Now I'm picturing an orkish protection racket. It's beautiful.
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Jan 28, 2014 20:44
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Try explain to me how Snatch isn't orky as gently caress. Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels is literally a quest to loot a good shoota. THEY EVEN SAY SHOOTA! You will now enjoy these movies even more.
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Arquinsiel posted:Try explain to me how Snatch isn't orky as gently caress. Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels is literally a quest to loot a good shoota. THEY EVEN SAY SHOOTA! Snatch Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels are two of my favourite movies, seriously sublime. They should hire Guy Ritchie to make a movie about a young ork learning how to dakka.
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Jan 28, 2014 21:43
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Khizan posted:Nope! One of the reasons Know No Fear is so highly regarded is because Abnett is the first and only author to make Ultramarines awesome. I honestly don't quite get why people like Know No Fear that much. It's not _bad_, mostly due to the tense set-up of the countdown, but the characters are flat and the climax is pretty much cartoon-grade stuff. "These daemons are super deadly, despite not killing anyone. But wait! I bet one of these daggers that every cultist bum carries can slay them in one poke!". Also, Abnett re-using the "I could kill you now, but let me talk at you until you figure out a way to slay me in one fell blow" trope he already beat into glue in the Eisenhorn series yet again was lame. I guess the other Ultramarine novels were just that atrocious?
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Lincoln`s Wax posted:It depends on the story for me. Them talking is fine for lighter ork-themed stuff but when they're supposed to be a terrifying unstoppable horde, I like the ones you can't understand. I just can't take them seriously if they're all talking like Dick Van Dyke out of Mary Poppins (Chim-chim-cheree a choppa's as lucky as a choppa can be!). Yeah, if I had to read Brothers of the Snake and they were in 'soccer hooligan' mode it would have probably ruined it for me.
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VanSandman posted:The Shira Calpurnia series was pretty good. It's about a space cop. Glad I just got around to downloading these. I was hesitant to touch them since the author isn't as common a writer for the Black Library as so many others. When it comes to Vulkan Lives I didn't really find it as disappointing as The Unremembered Empire simply I assume because I have different standards for each author. With Vulkan Lives it would've been fine to simply cut out everything that happens that isn't directly about Konrad tormenting Vulkan. I actually liked the idea that Vulkan turned out to be a perpetual, and I loved it when he really got the best of Kurze. The rest of the book can obviously go gently caress itself, because it was such an annoying bait and switch. Think Vulkan is going to escape and save the Marines who are fighting a desperate last stand against the World Eaters? Psych!! This isn't important at all!! I've said it before about The Unremembered Empire, but my biggest complaint is still Kurze. The guy is reaching Erebus levels of annoying. I think we should at least be happy that they pulled Abnett in to tie up all these loose ends, but it still feels like a waste of talent. TheArmorOfContempt fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Jan 29, 2014 |
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Sephyr posted:I honestly don't quite get why people like Know No Fear that much. It's not _bad_, mostly due to the tense set-up of the countdown, but the characters are flat and the climax is pretty much cartoon-grade stuff. "These daemons are super deadly, despite not killing anyone. But wait! I bet one of these daggers that every cultist bum carries can slay them in one poke!". My first two BL novels ever were Storm of Iron and Nightbringer, and looking back one of these sticks out heavily in my mind, while the other is forgettable. I often feel tempted to reread the Ultramarines series, but I think it was Killing Ground that really just killed my enthusiasm. Graham McNeil is so hit/miss one would think he is multiple people. Personally I plan on reading through the Arbites series, and if there still isn't anything worthwhile to read I might revisit the Ultramarines series out of curiosity. I have yet to touch any of the Audio Dramas...are they worth my time? I picked up Angel of Fire, and honestly it is loving awful. It has been ages since I read the Space Wolf series by William King, and I remembered it being good. Have my standards for literature just gone up, and William King is the same as before, or is the Macharian Series just poo poo in its own right? TheArmorOfContempt fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Jan 29, 2014 |
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Uroboros posted:My first two BL novels ever were Storm of Iron and Nightbringer, and looking back one of these sticks out heavily in my mind, while the other is forgettable. I often feel tempted to reread the Ultramarines series, but I think it was Killing Ground that really just killed my enthusiasm. Graham McNeil is so hit/miss one would think he is multiple people. Personally I plan on reading through the Arbites series, and if there still isn't anything worthwhile to read I might revisit the Ultramarines series out of curiosity. I don't really like the dedicated audiobooks, but the audio books that are also books are pretty good actually.
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Sephyr posted:I honestly don't quite get why people like Know No Fear that much. It's not _bad_, mostly due to the tense set-up of the countdown, but the characters are flat and the climax is pretty much cartoon-grade stuff. "These daemons are super deadly, despite not killing anyone. But wait! I bet one of these daggers that every cultist bum carries can slay them in one poke!". It's because the prose is entertaining and interesting. There's other elements to books beyond just plot and characterization, namely language. He also does some solid backstory revisions just like he did with Space Wolves to make them less retarded. Also the other Ultramarine novels were really, really bad in every way. Utterly stupid characters and plots along with awful prose.
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The fact that the Space Marine computer game is the second best Ultramarines story says a lot about how the Ultramarines were written.
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Khizan posted:The fact that the Space Marine computer game is the second best Ultramarines story says a lot about how the Ultramarines were written. Too be fair it's a really really fun game.
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Khizan posted:The fact that the Space Marine computer game is the second best Ultramarines story says a lot about how the Ultramarines were written. I never understood why they felt the need to create a freaking parallel universe just so you play as the captain of the 2nd company as a different marine instead of just making it Cato Sicarius.
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Know No Fear is glorious and I will not tolerate any badmouthing  That said Warhammer is over the top ridiculous sci fi bolter porn and there are limits to what you can expect. Most of it is generic rubbish so when you get people like Dan Abnett and ADB to write books you've got gold in your hands. I used to read a lot of R.A. Salvatore books and he is basically the Dan Abnett of DnD and an island of quality among a sea of poo poo.
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AndyElusive posted:I never understood why they felt the need to create a freaking parallel universe just so you play as the captain of the 2nd company as a different marine instead of just making it Cato Sicarius. Hell, just set it slightly earlier in the millennium before Sicarius got the job.
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Lincoln`s Wax posted:It depends on the story for me. Them talking is fine for lighter ork-themed stuff but when they're supposed to be a terrifying unstoppable horde, I like the ones you can't understand. I just can't take them seriously if they're all talking like Dick Van Dyke out of Mary Poppins (Chim-chim-cheree a choppa's as lucky as a choppa can be!). Dick van Dyke's accent in Mary Poppins was many things; Cockney was not one of them. Orks aren't really cockney anyway so much as they're generic football hooligan.
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AndyElusive posted:I never understood why they felt the need to create a freaking parallel universe just so you play as the captain of the 2nd company as a different marine instead of just making it Cato Sicarius. Is it actually a parallel universe? I was under the impression it just took place before Sicarius
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bunnyofdoom posted:Is it actually a parallel universe? I was under the impression it just took place before Sicarius It's kind of up in the air. The devs say it was a parallel universe, but Kyme hinted that Titus preceded Sicarius in one audio drama.
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Is Flight of the Einstein realllllllyyyyy bad, because I just found out that The gellar field fails and the first chaos plauge marines and than they got picked up by Dorne and went to Luna and all that poo poo sounds really cool, but I remember hearing the book wasn't too good. Is it just bad, but readable, or is it like Zou levels of terrible. e: *Eisenstein Also, has there been a book that covers Garro and what happens between him and Malcador? The founding of the Inquisition and all that follows, or its just audio books? I'm not a big fan of audio books Waroduce fucked around with this message at 03:55 on Jan 30, 2014 |
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Jan 30, 2014 03:49
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Waroduce posted:Is Flight of the Einstein realllllllyyyyy bad, because I just found out that The gellar field fails and the first chaos plauge marines and than they got picked up by Dorne and went to Luna and all that poo poo sounds really cool, but I remember hearing the book wasn't too good. Is it just bad, but readable, or is it like Zou levels of terrible. Dunno where you heard its terrible. Arguably the best Heresy book and perhaps even the best 40k book IMHO. The prose is great and the story is one of the most interesting ones out of all the heresy books. It's not just 500 pages of how we killed these dudes and why like most HH books.
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I don't remember it being bad at all, you don't get much plague marines so you take what you can get I guess.
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I could have sworn I heard that opinion here after it first came out, but I may be wrong. I don't read about Warhammer anywhere else though....maybe I just got the wrong impression.
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I remember it being solidly mediocre. Not awful, but not great either.
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Flight of the Eisenstein isn't really actively bad, so much as it's just not good. The concept behind it isn't that bad. The last loyalists of the Death Guard making it to Terra and forming the nucleus of a proto-Inquisition could be a really cool thing in the hands of Abnett or ADB. The problem is that it ended up in the hands of James Swallow, and so it's the tale of Gary Sue, Hero Marine. It's utterly forgettable and the arc stops there as far as the books are concerned. It's one of the few books whose purchase I regret.
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Aziraphale posted:I think it was in Primarchs, or some book with a lot of short stories in it involving them, that little Horus is mentioned at length as a good captain. He renames his big power sword to Mourn-it-all, and is pretty morose about the whole treachery thing. Abaddon remarks frequently throughout the story that he'll have to 'keep an eye on him' to make sure he doesn't lose his nerve. That sword thing was something that finally managed to make me sperg out about 40k. It doesn't even make any sense! The mournival/mourn-it-all thing is a really badly forced pun but it only even makes sense in present day english. In imperial gothic or cthonic or whatever the heck they speak it wouldn't even work. What have I become?
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Noctis Horrendae posted:Dunno where you heard its terrible. Arguably the best Heresy book and perhaps even the best 40k book IMHO. Whoah what is it like having such terrible opinions because FotE is dull as hell.
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Mr Teatime posted:What have I become? It's always the little things that will break you in 40k lore. Or rather the way it's delivered. Abbnett is bad about that kind of stuff even. In one of the earlier gaunt books, he finds an iron man stc that's been corrupted but all that comes out is a retarded robot and they blow it up. Super anti climactic.
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Mr Teatime posted:That sword thing was something that finally managed to make me sperg out about 40k. It doesn't even make any sense! The mournival/mourn-it-all thing is a really badly forced pun but it only even makes sense in present day english. In imperial gothic or cthonic or whatever the heck they speak it wouldn't even work. What have I become? God, I thought I was the only one bothered by that.
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Mr Teatime posted:That sword thing was something that finally managed to make me sperg out about 40k. It doesn't even make any sense! The mournival/mourn-it-all thing is a really badly forced pun but it only even makes sense in present day english. In imperial gothic or cthonic or whatever the heck they speak it wouldn't even work. What have I become? The logic here works for every pun that is ever made on shows with alien languages and some sort of universal translator or Tardis or something. I wish a show one of these days would have a character make a pun and the alien character is like "I don't get it"  because the pun obviously wouldn't work in their language (that, or the universal translator explodes in their ear, trying to compute the pun).
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Noctis Horrendae posted:Dunno where you heard its terrible. Arguably the best Heresy book and perhaps even the best 40k book IMHO. The prose is great and the story is one of the most interesting ones out of all the heresy books.  I...what
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