Tezzeract posted:

I'm ok with the idea of boosting being a limited thing by hero coins. If you think about it, boosting made PVP a complete spamfest and trivialized defense.

On the other hand, throwing these changes along with this ultra-difficult PVE is terrible. The casuals are 100% going to go to another game if D3 keeps on changing rules midway through. The system is doable now, but all this guessing for these events gets really tiring.

Tezzeract posted:

The casuals are 100% going to go to another game if D3 keeps on changing rules midway through.

JGBeagle posted:

Is Puzzle and Dragons a good replacement for this turd?

Karnegal posted:

Do you like spending money, or are you very disciplined? It's a good game, and a bit more generous with what it gives you, but it's also easy to throw a bunch of money at.

BDawg posted:

There's something about this PvE. Without boosts, I lose about 50% of the time to easy groups... Especially with Maggia people who create needed tile colors.

JGBeagle posted:

Is Puzzle and Dragons a good replacement for this turd?

JagGator posted:

I came to this game way back when based on posts in the PaD thread so I guess we've come full circle!

The thing about the boosts is that if they were too powerful or causing people to play in a style the devs didn't intend, then the thing to do would be to remove them. Instead they just made them pay-to-win for the whales who can just keep on playing the same way, which is nothing but the worst sort of cash grab.

IAP only works tolerably if it's for cosmetic purposes only (ex: Path of Exile) or for a fundamentally single-player game (ex: PaD). Anything with PvP or leaderboard rewards it just feels scummy.

messagemode1 posted:

- Patch wolverine's yellow at rank 5 violates their own design philosophy that they applied to nerf astonishing wolvie. Expect a funbalance.

Dizz posted:

I doubt this will happen since he's a 3 star. The reason they nerfed Wolverine and Thor was because they were fairly common to get and nobody gave a gently caress about any of the 3 stars [I still don't give a gently caress about any of the 3 stars as they're all hot garbage with a pretty face.]

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Analysis:

• Designer Comments: There were a couple issues with this ability (one of which wasn't really a balance issue).
o Healed too much. It ticked just about every turn, which was too often given the amount it was healing. (The numbers don't individually look that big, but the cumulative effect is unreasonably hefty.) Passives have a balance budget and this was spending it three times over.
o Not fun enough. Because it was based purely on tile count it either happened... or it didn't. We strongly prefer abilities that require decision making and this one didn't. Bonus points if you don't have to count anything.
• To address this we introduced a threshold - Wolverine needs to be below 50% health for the ability to tick. This allows us to increase the amount that gets healed without inadvertent overpower. There's some gameplay here now! Healing requires you to make tile moves. There is a wrinkle here too; Wolverine is fairly strong in Yellow, so getting him to heal might put him out front. Mind that team composition. This captures the initial idea of the ability much better: Wolverine using his healing factor to be the last man standing. When you back him in a corner you better be prepared to finish the job! We'll be watching this one closely (as we do with all abilities). It might need another kick up. We want it to be noticeable & fun.
• IceIX Feedback: Wolverine isn't a tank. That's Colossus or Thor's job. Taking damage just isn't what he does (although he does do that on a regular basis anyway). His earlier Healing Factor means that you were best off keeping him out front since at level 5 he could tank pretty much any normal match from your opponents without any worry. To push this back into the spirit of what Wolverine does, we made it more an ability to allow him to carry through against rough odds. At lower health he regens vastly more health. At level 5, he's gaining about 15% of his max health each turn. This pretty well prevents anything but powerful attacks from getting through and enabling him to push out a few more rounds in preparation for an attack of his own to carry the day, much how Wolverine gets through difficult fights in comics.

messagemode1 posted:

I know the stars are a part of the calculus but:


This analysis doesn't say it was too good of a passive for 2*, it just said it was too good period. Also they don't want wolverines to tank, not astonishing, not x-force, and probably not patch, and currently Patch is very good at tanking because his healing factor is like twice as good as Astonishing was.

Tezzeract posted:

Paying to win with these temporary boosts is the worst thing anyone can do. What if you lose with the rainbow boost? What if you're just buying stacks of health packs to crash against the 230s. Because you can still lose. Right now the PVE difficulty is just hosed and whatever consultant they hired to increase revenue through insane difficulty should get the middle finger.

Shields are actually pay to win and I'm wondering why people don't complain about that more.

JGBeagle posted:

Is Puzzle and Dragons a good replacement for this turd?

messagemode1 posted:

This analysis doesn't say it was too good of a passive for 2*, it just said it was too good period. Also they don't want wolverines to tank, not astonishing, not x-force, and probably not patch, and currently Patch is very good at tanking because his healing factor is like twice as good as Astonishing was.

same post posted:

Wolverine's abilities are revised to bring them in line with 2-star balance.

Syrinxx posted:

I have a counterpoint which is that despite the fact that PaD is pretty fun and a much better game than this piece of poo poo, you have to be a serious match 3 savant because you can move a tile an unlimited amount of times within like 5 seconds. Additionally, the game is tuned against this fact, so basically the game for me devolved into using a matchmaking helper app because I just wasn't good enough at it to progress.

Also, enjoy spending 20 hours rerolling your guy and redoing the tutorial to get a starting god

trucutru posted:

While you do need some serious puzzling skills to do the special dungeons on their highest difficulty the game usually provides you with an easier option (exception: Zeus, Athena, and a few others) that can usually be done with simple mono-color teams, which are much easier to play.

I use a matchmaking app from time to time when I am farming a dungeon and want to do it as fast as possible, but my skills have improved tremendously since I started playing. The cheating apps are fine to grab rare drops but being good enough to use some of the more demanding monsters is very satisfying.

But yeah, the re-rolling at the start is brutal indeed. I wonder why haven't they added a "skip tutorial" option after all this time.

herakles posted:

Welp, accidentally spent 500 hero points on boosts before I noticed the price change while attempting to beat Magneto and Hood. loving awesome.

Ghostlight posted:

ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:

Magneto NOW actually seems like a great partner for OBW for this PVE, at least against the Maggia, considering that their most dangerous abilities are Blue. Get purple, use Magneto's ability to destroy the Blue Countdown Tiles, and then use OBW's Blue to delay the Yellow Countdown Tiles. You'd need to pair them up with someone who's good on offense, like Patch or Ares or whatever. Also you'd need to get enough Purple AP as soon as possible.

And Loki doesn't have any skills that lets him manipulate countdowns. His Black manipulates enemy Strike / Protect tiles by turning them into friendly Protect / Strike tiles.

You're thinking of Moonstone, whose Black lets you take control of a random enemy Countdown Tile.

intangible posted:

I really can't get over how disappointed I am in what they've done to this game. For a solid 2 months I could not get enough of this and in the span of a week, they have clusterfucked, or more accurately clusterFUN'd, away all my desire to play. I don't want to completely give up on it yet and I will probably try and win one match a day just to keep my daily reward streak going. But my days of playing this whenever I had some free time are probably gone.

delfin posted:

If anyone still gives a poo poo, I'm finding that my best method of clowning the 230 Maggia missions is, oddly enough, to REMOVE Spider-Man from my team and slot in Magneto Classic. The Master of Magnetism versus guys with guns? Sounds like a fair fight to me.

(That's why they're nerfing him soon.)