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Shouldn't forums more generally be bigger? Aren't they important too? I like them.
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Count Roland posted:Shouldn't forums more generally be bigger? Aren't they important too? but twitter is like one big forum where people use their real names and censor their racist opinions even less!
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Feb 1, 2014 05:22
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Real hurthling! posted:but twitter is like one big forum where people use their real names and censor their racist opinions even less! Twitter has its uses, but lengthy, reasoned (or just lengthy) discussions are not among them. BBS4LYFE
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Feb 1, 2014 05:33
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Count Roland posted:Twitter has its uses, but lengthy, reasoned (or just lengthy) discussions are not among them. BBS4LYFE
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Feb 1, 2014 06:19
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Negative Entropy posted:Reddit has decent enough discussion forums and is more well-known than most forums, including SA. I can't be the only one who's a little disappointed, though. SA got a whole region in the XKCD map. No luck here. O how the mighty have fallen. Let's invade Imgur this fall. Lebensraum.
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Feb 1, 2014 07:43
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Grand Prize Winner posted:I can't be the only one who's a little disappointed, though. SA got a whole region in the XKCD map. No luck here. O how the mighty have fallen. Let's invade Imgur this fall. Lebensraum. We got a tiny island on the first xkcd map, but nothing on the second. Perhaps a tiny unnamed island in the Forums archipelago. My theory is that it's not that our island's shrunk too small to be included, but that the scale of the map has grown too much to bother labeling us. Edit: Wow, I completely missed the inset in the bottom of right. Nevermind! We're in both maps.  Places labeled on the SA island: Grammar Nazis, Regular Nazis, Doom House, [illegible] Camp SurgicalOntologist fucked around with this message at 09:02 on Feb 1, 2014 |
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Feb 1, 2014 08:59
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Here's another map of the internet, this time as a star chart of internet traffic in 2011. I wonder what a more recent one would look like.
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Feb 1, 2014 10:06
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Population Density of Latinos in the state of Oregon, per the 2010 Census data: For comparison, here's the population in general: 
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Feb 1, 2014 20:52
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As a non-American I am not quite sure what I am supposed to see here. It's not like the Latinos are concentrated only in the densely populated parts of Oregon or vice versa. What am I missing? Also I can hardly believe that the 0-50-100 miles bar is as long as the 100-200 miles bar in the first map, but using a ruler it apparently is correct. Good example of the brain deceiving you.
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Feb 1, 2014 20:59
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Torrannor posted:As a non-American I am not quite sure what I am supposed to see here. It's not like the Latinos are concentrated only in the densely populated parts of Oregon or vice versa. What am I missing? One thing you can read into it is that there are large (relative) numbers of Latinos in Eastern Oregon, which is traditionally considered to be the uncivilized redneck part of the state. Mostly though I haven't really seen maps of Oregon much and the state is interesting to me.
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Feb 1, 2014 21:04
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computer parts posted:One thing you can read into it is that there are large (relative) numbers of Latinos in Eastern Oregon, which is traditionally considered to be the uncivilized redneck part of the state. I'm not sure what kinds of industries Eastern Oregon has, I'm assuming they're agricultural? Maybe lumber as well? I think the implication is that areas with low-paying, dangerous jobs also have a high population of Latinos, but I'm really working of some unverified assumptions.
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Feb 1, 2014 21:13
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Abilifier posted:I'm not sure what kinds of industries Eastern Oregon has, I'm assuming they're agricultural? Maybe lumber as well? I think the implication is that areas with low-paying, dangerous jobs also have a high population of Latinos, but I'm really working of some unverified assumptions. I can't say about the rest but I've driven through Malheur County before and it mostly looks like this:  The primary economic activity, as a result, is usually ranching.
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Feb 1, 2014 21:20
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Hood River and Marion are agricultural centers, and yeah, far out east is going to be ranching. If anything I think the political maps of Oregon are more interesting especially how political divided the state is by region and the massive rural/urban divide.
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Feb 1, 2014 21:26
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Lots of Latino people in Eastern Washington too, looks like. Actually the national map makes it look like there are cores around southwestern Idaho and central Washington rather than being east specifically. Totally anecdotal/silly but driving east of the Cascades I hear a lot more Spanish-language radio than I do west of them. On the other hand, stopped in a town once and the store had confederate flag shirts for sale. Oh, and also this is a percentage map. East of the Cascades is just so much less populated things probably get skew-y. The Pew report talks about like, Colorado, more.
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Feb 1, 2014 21:59
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computer parts posted:I can't say about the rest but I've driven through Malheur County before and it mostly looks like this: Hah, well looks like I was totally wrong. I guess I was working off the assumption that a high Latino population in a rural area means migrant workers on farms, but I'll admit that's unfounded, and pretty racist. But I am interested to know why the population distribution is like that, if anyone has any insight.
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Feb 1, 2014 22:43
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I have no clue about the actual situation there, but looking at those two maps, one thing I would like to note is that if two counties have an equal number of Latinos, the one with the lowest population total would of course automatically see a larger Latino percentage.
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Feb 1, 2014 22:57
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 The Southwest is the most interesting part of this map. People who've never been to Texas seem to think of it as a bigger version of Oklahoma ,entirely populated with WASP cowboys and their plain, god fearing  Spanish Speaking Catholics! The last major push for English Only laws was in 2010 by the Tea Party, and Governor Perry nuked it out of fear that they'd kill the Republican party, because.... California's English only laws were passed in 1986 and started a chain of events that destroyed the GOP in most of California and created the current democratic supermajority. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_187 Arizona is the headquarters of the Tea Party and is mostly famous for being the Alabama of the Southwest , and for losing half a billion dollars and the superbowl by trying to ban Martin Luther King day. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King,_Jr._Day#Reluctance_to_observe Ghetto Prince fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Feb 2, 2014 |
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Feb 1, 2014 23:42
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Ghetto Prince posted:California's English only laws were passed in 1986 and started a chain of events that destroyed the GOP in most of California and created the current democratic supermajority. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_187
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Feb 2, 2014 00:49
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SurgicalOntologist posted:We got a tiny island on the first xkcd map, but nothing on the second. Perhaps a tiny unnamed island in the Forums archipelago. My theory is that it's not that our island's shrunk too small to be included, but that the scale of the map has grown too much to bother labeling us. It's really interesting to compare Facebook/Myspace on the first map vs. the second map.
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Feb 2, 2014 00:58
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Ironically that entire area was almost completely unpopulated by Mexicans at the time.
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Feb 2, 2014 07:45
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OctaviusBeaver posted:Ironically that entire area was almost completely unpopulated by Mexicans at the time. As claimed by Mexico, as disputed by Comancheria.
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Feb 2, 2014 08:33
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Does Mexico still lay claim to that area?
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 While on the subject of "minorities" who have been the majority for generations in the Southwest, I present to you.... the same thing, in the Southeast.
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Feb 2, 2014 09:04
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How does this map account for migrant workers? HighClassSwankyTime posted:Does Mexico still lay claim to that area? Part of the Treaty of Guadelupe Hidalgo was the United States basically paying a sum of money for the Southwest. Fun fact: Some Mexican authorities were happy that they lost, since they got rid of some land that (at the time) was just a money drain and got paid for the opportunity.
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Feb 2, 2014 17:35
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Fell Fire posted:How does this map account for migrant workers? I know the Census Bureau counts non-citizens, if I had to guess based on other countries' censuses there are probably statistics for people who are only in the country for a short period of time but are regular travelers to that area.
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Feb 2, 2014 17:39
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Fell Fire posted:How does this map account for migrant workers? It's very obvious it includes them, because it lists Chester County, Pennsylvania (the shaded county to the right in PA) as having at least 10% of the population be Mexican. This is because it's home to Kennett Square, the so-called "Mushroom Capital of the World" and an extensive user of migrant workers.
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Feb 2, 2014 21:21
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I didn't know there were huge mexican enclaves in Washington state.
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Baronjutter posted:I didn't know there were huge mexican enclaves in Washington state. It's like the map I posted, though slightly more people. The three darkest counties in the most eastern part of the state have ~200,000 people between them. The one that's farther west is about the same size, ~250k or so.
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Feb 2, 2014 22:53
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Abilifier posted:Hah, well looks like I was totally wrong. I guess I was working off the assumption that a high Latino population in a rural area means migrant workers on farms, but I'll admit that's unfounded, and pretty racist. But I am interested to know why the population distribution is like that, if anyone has any insight. In Washington state the large orchards and more labor intensive harvests still use migrant labor extensively. I want to say the last couple of years there have been protests for more pay and better working conditions. Follow the Columbia River and you'll easily find farms.
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Feb 3, 2014 04:04
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HighClassSwankyTime posted:Does Mexico still lay claim to that area? Nope, and it's one of the reasons (among plenty of others, all good) they told the Germans to gently caress off when they got the Zimmerman Telegram. Mexico figured that even if by some miracle they beat the US in a war they'd just end up with a bunch of territory filled with English-speaking Americans who didn't much like being conquered. Mexico wasn't a big fan of the US but it's been a long-rear end time since they had any serious designs on reclaiming the Mexican Cession.
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Feb 3, 2014 04:42
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The Mexican response to the Zimmerman telegram was hilarious. My favorite part was asking the Germans exactly what navy they were going to use to deliver to Mexico the promised munitions.
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Feb 3, 2014 04:58
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And that tons of people (although not the American administration, who were informed of the code breaking) were of the opinion that it was so ridiculous it had to be a British forgery. Right up until Zimmermann opened his mouth and confirmed it was real for some reason.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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 This might be a retread but frankly I like this thread's concept and just haven't read all 176 pages yet. What I find really interesting is how some counties are nearly majority-Mexican, yet deeply red. The old guard must be terrified of the day those migrant workers' "anchor babies" turn 18 and become fully functional citizens. What I find really sad is that many black people still live in the same counties their ancestors were enslaved in. (I don't think it's a huge stretch to consider the map of blue counties in the modern South to be roughly the same as a map of black population percentages by county, though I could go find one of those like the Mexican map) Randandal fucked around with this message at 08:04 on Feb 3, 2014 |
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Randandal posted:What I find really sad is that many black people still live in the same counties their ancestors were enslaved in. (I don't think it's a huge stretch to consider the map of blue counties in the modern South to be roughly the same as a map of black population percentages by county, though I could go find one of those like the Mexican map) Well they do have established communities there, and also Northerners flipped the gently caress out when large numbers of blacks tried to move up there to escape Jim Crow bullshit.
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PittTheElder posted:Well they do have established communities there, and also Northerners flipped the gently caress out when large numbers of blacks tried to move up there to escape Jim Crow bullshit.
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Randandal posted:What I find really sad is that many black people still live in the same counties their ancestors were enslaved in. (I don't think it's a huge stretch to consider the map of blue counties in the modern South to be roughly the same as a map of black population percentages by county, though I could go find one of those like the Mexican map) I think this is kind of what you're talking about.    More here: http://deepseanews.com/2012/06/how-presidential-elections-are-impacted-by-a-100-million-year-old-coastline/
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PittTheElder posted:Well they do have established communities there, and also Northerners flipped the gently caress out when large numbers of blacks tried to move up there to escape Jim Crow bullshit. And in recent years there has even been a trend of black people moving *back* to the South.
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Feb 3, 2014 13:41
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computer parts posted:And in recent years there has even been a trend of black people moving *back* to the South. Why, exactly? Is it because of gentrification -- like, are lots of poor black families being priced out of living in the cities nowadays? It's muggy and hot and awful in the South, I can't imagine why anyone would want to move there.
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No jobs in the rust belt and new manufacturing growth has mostly taken place in the south due to laxer worker protection laws, lack of unions and general cheaper cost of living letting them offer lower wages.
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