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Lancelot posted:Does anyone here know how well JSDs/SJDs from T14s are valued overseas? I am currently doing an LLM at LSE in London (specialising in international tax) and I'm thinking of doing a doctorate in the US. I know the programme director at Ann Arbor, and I think I could swing an SJD there in 2015, but the one thing I'm worried about is how that will look overseas compared to a PhD from an equivalent university (either another T14 in the US or Oxbridge here in the UK). With an LLM at a prestigious school already, whatever an SJD gives you isn't going to be worth a PhD, IMO - at least in the US, barely anyone knows what an SJD even is. I'm sure a hiring committee will, but I don't see anybody valuing it as highly as a PhD from Oxbridge. (Don't get a PhD in the US, BTW; it is emphatically Not Worth It comparing the amount of work and years involved) Zwabu posted:How can a law school like Regent continue to exist in an environment like this? I can see if there's a GOP administration like the GW Bush one there's an automatic job market for true believers, but how can anyone from a school like that get any kind of job when there isn't? Today's 3L's all thought Santorum was a lock, duh
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Adar posted:With an LLM at a prestigious school already, whatever an SJD gives you isn't going to be worth a PhD, IMO - at least in the US, barely anyone knows what an SJD even is. I'm sure a hiring committee will, but I don't see anybody valuing it as highly as a PhD from Oxbridge. Santorum's Catholic. Born-agains hate Catholics.
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Pook Good Mook posted:Santorum's Catholic. Born-agains hate Catholics. Right, but it was a thing during the 2012 primaries, conservative evangelicals rallied behind Santorum and loved him because he was simply the best candidate for their issues despite being Catholic. Anybody who watched the primaries saw that. They occasionally do that on a smaller scale with Jewish conservatives too. It is weird to think that these people were so into a guy and wanted him to be president when a lot of them believed he was going to hell and was a member of a false religion. But it's also not that weird when compared to other common kinds of cognitive dissonance. MoFauxHawk fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Feb 1, 2014 |
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It occurred to me that even if Romney had won, I'm not sure I'd see him packing the federal government with Regent U Law grads like GW Bush. It seemed like that administration valued rigid adherence to ideology a lot more than most others, GOP or Democratic, over any consideration of competence. Even a super ideologue like Ted Cruz was supposedly snooty about wanting to study only with Ivy Leaguers during his HLS years, I'm having a little bit of a hard time seeing him hiring Michelle Bachmann Regent U types although they are his natural allies and constituency.
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Zwabu posted:It occurred to me that even if Romney had won, I'm not sure I'd see him packing the federal government with Regent U Law grads like GW Bush. It seemed like that administration valued rigid adherence to ideology a lot more than most others, GOP or Democratic, over any consideration of competence. Well, Ted Cruz is a douchebag. But I agree, Romney would have filled up the justice department with silver spoons from Harvard and Yale.
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Not that this would change your point at all, but my understanding is that most evangelical denominations believe that Catholics are saved because their theology is consistent with the tenets of the faith that are vital for salvation: the trinity, jesus' s sanctifying effect on believers sin, etc. I'm no scholar but I have 14 years of involuntary attendance to Sunday school to back that up. Romney's Mormonism was a much bigger deal as that's still considered a cult.
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Pook Good Mook posted:Santorum's Catholic. Born-agains hate Catholics. Not since the 80s, when the religious right traded insistence on religious orthodoxy (which does not result in political power) for political orthodoxy. (which does)
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Adar posted:With an LLM at a prestigious school already, whatever an SJD gives you isn't going to be worth a PhD, IMO - at least in the US, barely anyone knows what an SJD even is. I'm sure a hiring committee will, but I don't see anybody valuing it as highly as a PhD from Oxbridge.
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What's the longest trial anyone here has done? We just had a two week med-mal wrap. I was relieved to see it end and I assume the attorneys for the parties are going to sleep for a month. (Edited for the typo, thanks!) Alaemon fucked around with this message at 04:20 on Feb 3, 2014 |
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Alaemon posted:We just had a two week mad-mal wrap. Mad scientist malpractice???
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MoFauxHawk posted:Mad scientist malpractice??? Yeah, he prescribed gamma radiation and it all went downhill from there.
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Alaemon posted:What's the longest trial anyone here has done? 2 weeks, 3 days for a death penalty case.
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Alaemon posted:What's the longest trial anyone here has done? 7 week long murder trial. Our prosecution case was expected to take 3-4 days after jury selection and it was planned to be extremely straightforward (two separate confessions to police, five civilian eye witnesses, forensics, and zero merit defenses), but the defense dragged that poo poo on like champs. Every single hearsay objection had a demand for six hours of oral argument at the trial level, and every single substantive objection had a petition for appellate review. It was really a glorious example of bureaucracy ruling a trial. There was no factual defense to the crime itself, it was just unending demands for day-long hearings over and over that dragged it all on. It was super fun from a nerd technical point of view. Thankfully my technically minded co-counsel could recall every arcane appellate decision ever penned while I dealt with the more mundane aspect of trial. I am not trying to be critical, but drat that poo poo lasted forever. BigHead fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Feb 3, 2014 |
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Alaemon posted:What's the longest trial anyone here has done? I had a few 7-10 day ones. I start a week with a jury today, and have another similar one next month. In June, however, I start a month with a jury on a human trafficking charge 
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Never had a trial (including multiple ones that called for mandatory life sentences if convicted) last more than two days.
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It's time's like this that I wish Canada wasn't so strict about lawyers not advertising.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:This owns in a 95% unironic way
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Soothing Vapors posted:I wish I was this guy so hard Why, how much do you hate your younger brother?
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This video is better if you spend the first half pretending he's Saul Goodman and the second pretending Saul's new job is hunting chief of police vampires
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What's "the deal" with some clients man, sheesh.
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Any union-side labor lawyers or developing/hopeful union-side law students out there?
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Vox Nihili posted:Any union-side labor lawyers or developing/hopeful union-side law students out there? I think there's an NZ lawyer here who's at least active in and passionate about unions?
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Vox Nihili posted:Any union-side labor lawyers or developing/hopeful union-side law students out there? I'm in the hopeful category.
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I'm a 2L with a gig at a pretty cool union-side firm this summer and was hoping to hear from anyone about the field, the pay, the prospects, the work, whatever. It is definitely right for me politically and I'm really excited about the work, but concerned about job prospects. It's a tiny field and almost no one seems to know anything about it. None of my friends are doing it. If anyone somehow knows less than me about this stuff I can also answer questions about how I lined up the job and very generally what union-side law entails.
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Vox Nihili posted:I'm a 2L with a gig at a pretty cool union-side firm this summer and was hoping to hear from anyone about the field, the pay, the prospects, the work, whatever. It is definitely right for me politically and I'm really excited about the work, but concerned about job prospects. It's a tiny field and almost no one seems to know anything about it. None of my friends are doing it. When I was in law school the NLRB had an honors program similar to the DOJ. Obviously they take fewer applicants, but it's great experience if you get in. There are two broad groups you work in, and one of those groups actually prosecutes NLRA violations on behalf of the NLRB. The other provides more general legal guidance to the regional offices about the law/regs. It seemed like a pretty cool place to work, but the pay is relatively low for how competitive it is to get the spot. I ended up going to work for a management side firm. PAGING PETEY This seems like something you would be involved in - are you? quote:Berkman Center for Internet & Society - Luncheon on How Dungeons & Dragons and Fantasy Prepare You for Law and Life http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/events/luncheon/2014/02/gilsdorf HiddenReplaced fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Feb 5, 2014 |
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HiddenReplaced posted:... Oh my god, RSVP'd for this poo poo. I guess I can sort of see the connections between one arbitrary giant ruleset and another?
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semicolonsrock posted:Oh my god, RSVP'd for this poo poo. I guess I can sort of see the connections between one arbitrary giant ruleset and another? Please give us a trip report.
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Vox Nihili posted:I'm a 2L with a gig at a pretty cool union-side firm this summer and was hoping to hear from anyone about the field, the pay, the prospects, the work, whatever. It is definitely right for me politically and I'm really excited about the work, but concerned about job prospects. It's a tiny field and almost no one seems to know anything about it. None of my friends are doing it. I mean if you know anything about labor you know it's small and shrinking, insular and political, but rewarding and good work. DOCTOR ZIMBARDO fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Feb 5, 2014 |
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semicolonsrock posted:Oh my god, RSVP'd for this poo poo. I guess I can sort of see the connections between one arbitrary giant ruleset and another? I played D&D with friends while we were in lawschool and it was pretty great/terrible. Everyone was a goddman rules lawyer about everything.
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Vox Nihili posted:Any union-side labor lawyers or developing/hopeful union-side law students out there? Vicariously, yes. My wife is a lawyer at Education Minnesota (teachers and other educators, affiliated with AFT and NEA). I can probably answer some questions myself, and I'll get answers from her if I don't have them.
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semicolonsrock posted:Oh my god, RSVP'd for this poo poo. I guess I can sort of see the connections between one arbitrary giant ruleset and another? Don't laugh - legal training made it much easier to read and comprehend the Advanced Squad Leader rulebook.
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:It's a small area. What city are you in? What kind of questions do you have? Have you considered in-house work with a union? Are you a member of the NLG? How about your regional labor and employment lawyers association - there probably is one and there's a good chance it's very active and a great way to make connections. Greater San Francisco Bay Area. Would rather not name the particular city and risk outing my firm. I would gladly do in-house work with a union. I am a member of the NLG, which has a regional chapter, but not of any other associations at the moment. My main concern is "can I actually find gainful employment doing this" and alternatively "will I pigeonhole myself in a narrow field bereft of potential gainful employment by aligning myself with union-side firms/interests." Money isn't a huge issue for me but I will have student loans to contend with (sub-six figures, but enough to be a highly motivating factor). I am not above working on "the other side" if necessary to pay the bills or anything like that, and have a very good GPA as of this moment (beginning of 4th semester). I am really excited about my summer position at a union-side firm (they even pay approximately $4000/month for summer, which is semi-encouraging) and would like to explore the possibility of doing benefits/ERISA stuff, particularly for unions. Despite all the doubts I have voiced, I would really love to fight the good fight and don't need a nice car to be happy.
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samglover posted:Vicariously, yes. My wife is a lawyer at Education Minnesota (teachers and other educators, affiliated with AFT and NEA). I can probably answer some questions myself, and I'll get answers from her if I don't have them. Do you know how she ultimately ended up at her position and whether she worked at a firm beforehand? What did she do for her 2L summer? Did she organize or work closely with unions prior to, during, or after law school? Thank you.
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As someone who worked for "the other side" before acquiring political consciousness (and before law school), I would strongly advise you to not consider it if you want to work for the labor movement. There is definitely a lot of work to be done advancing the causes of workers, both directly in the labor movement and in the much larger constellation of more general plaintiff side employment practice. It's kind of an odd duck field, as is anything involving labor. I could talk about his a lot, but basically despite the moribund position of labor economically, from a financial perspective the movement is more flush with funds than ever. There are lots of legal battles still being fought and even won today. Other experience that would be advantageous would be organizing campaigns, and volunteering at any sort of employee-rights clinic that are springing up all over the place these days, like the Restaurant Opportunity Centers that I think are becoming forces here and there. Fight for fifteen at your school, heh! There are also really interesting opportunities for "street fighting" style work, usually in-house, doing things like being on-site legal support for disobedience actions or other stunts. Once you get into the outside firms, in my experience, it becomes more appellate style work. Bennies and ERISA, so far as I know, is a pretty stable practice area. There's also interesting work doing things like grand strategy or [organizing] campaign support and policy (at least, here in DC - probably also in SF?). I can't really speak effectively about salary or anything in your area. Look into NELA, the National Employment Lawyers Association. I might as well mention unionjobs.com as well for any other law students. Disclaimer: I do not work in the labor movement, though I did for a time in the past. I am a new solo eighteen months out of law school.
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Vox Nihili posted:Do you know how she ultimately ended up at her position and whether she worked at a firm beforehand? What did she do for her 2L summer? Did she organize or work closely with unions prior to, during, or after law school? Thank you. She worked for a couple of non-profits legal groups (family farming advocacy, mostly) before going to EM. She didn't have anything to do with unions until she applied for the job at EM. I think she worked for a solo who does tribal law during her 2L summer.
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