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Crowbear posted:e: Today in SHOCKING NEWS: After the sales of Lost World the next Sonic game is also coming to the PS4 and Xbone. The most unexpected thing about that for me is that it's PS4/One/WiiU which I think makes it the first next-gen/WiiU port announced. It's a Sonic game so I doubt it's taxing the hardware but I wasn't expecting to see any of that.
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ImpAtom posted:The most unexpected thing about that for me is that it's PS4/One/WiiU which I think makes it the first next-gen/WiiU port announced. It's a Sonic game so I doubt it's taxing the hardware but I wasn't expecting to see any of that. I guess we'll see what they do with it. Could be a different developer doing a Wii U version alongside the main team like they did with Dimps and the 3DS version of Lost World.
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Feb 1, 2014 19:19
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AdmiralViscen posted:Not to mention that both 3DS and Wii U are selling substantially worse than GBA and GCN. well yes, they would need better sales obviously. But by no means do they need to win this generation to stay profitable... hopefully
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Feb 1, 2014 19:26
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Crowbear posted:
I'd be down for Sonic Generations 2.
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Feb 1, 2014 19:40
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AdmiralViscen posted:Not to mention that both 3DS and Wii U are selling substantially worse than GBA and GCN. The 3DS is only "selling worse" than the GBA if you look at lifetime numbers (81m vs. 35m as of November, so before the last holiday season). Year-to-year, they basically sold the same. *edit: Huh, the graphs I found via Google were closer than that, so I assumed wrong. Thanks, NeoGAF console data spergs I guess. Katana Gomai fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Feb 1, 2014 |
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Feb 1, 2014 19:52
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Katana Gomai posted:The 3DS is only "selling worse" than the GBA if you look at lifetime numbers (81m vs. 35m as of November, so before the last holiday season). Year-to-year, they basically sold the same. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=98821637&postcount=196 The GBA was around 7 million units ahead of the 3DS at this point in its life.
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Feb 1, 2014 19:57
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The Taint Reaper posted:I'd be down for Sonic Generations 2. This basically. Sonic Generations owned.
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Feb 1, 2014 20:35
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zarron posted:This basically. Sonic Generations owned. Yeah, an exclusive Generations 2 would get me a lot closer to buying a Wii U. Generations more than made up for every 3D Sonic.
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Feb 1, 2014 20:44
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The Taint Reaper posted:I'd be down for Sonic Generations 2. I too would like another happy accident. Lost World doesn't fill me with confidence in Sega's ability to make such a thing a reality though.
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Feb 1, 2014 20:50
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Maybe if Lost World wasn't such a lovely loving game it would sell better. Wii U doesn't have a huge installed base, but a good Sonic game that appealed to the same people a Mario game appeals to could sell a million copies easy.
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Feb 1, 2014 20:56
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If they just made Generations 2 and didn't change the formula at all I would buy it in a heartbeat. Loved the soundtrack on it, too.
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Feb 1, 2014 21:16
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Zack_Gochuck posted:Maybe if Lost World wasn't such a lovely loving game it would sell better. Wii U doesn't have a huge installed base, but a good Sonic game that appealed to the same people a Mario game appeals to could sell a million copies easy. Lost World appealed to people who thought that the Mario Galaxy games were too good.
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Feb 1, 2014 21:29
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LOSS posted:Lost World appealed to people who thought that the Mario Galaxy games were too good. I don't think you have played both of these games. Lost World is Mario Galaxy if it was made be Acclaim in 1993.
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Feb 1, 2014 22:13
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The Taint Reaper posted:I'd be down for Sonic Generations 2. You guys had your fun experimenting but yeah just give us this. I don't even really want any 2D levels!
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Feb 1, 2014 22:18
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Equilibrium posted:You guys had your fun experimenting but yeah just give us this. I don't even really want any 2D levels! I too want another Sonic game without good Sonic gameplay and a good Sonic design.
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Feb 1, 2014 22:43
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StevenM posted:I too want another Sonic game without good Sonic gameplay and a good Sonic design. I dunno I think I found the 3d levels more memorable than the 2d ones. City Escape 3D was awesome, as were the unleashed and Colors levels. Also the city one that was the second level was way better in 3d than 2d. The first level was the best 2d one in the game, and the Colors 2d level was okay.
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Feb 1, 2014 22:46
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StevenM posted:I too want another Sonic game without good Sonic gameplay and a good Sonic design.
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Feb 1, 2014 23:40
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The Taint Reaper posted:I'd be down for Sonic Generations 2. Only if the level selection was more unbalanced in favor of the original Genesis games. I enjoyed the game, but the farther it went into games I had no nostalgia for, the less I loved it.
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Feb 1, 2014 23:49
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MisterBibs posted:Only if the level selection was more unbalanced in favor of the original Genesis games. I enjoyed the game, but the farther it went into games I had no nostalgia for, the less I loved it. I didn't recognize anything past City Escape but I probably put ~15 hours into Rooftop Run Act 2. That level owned bones. All the Act 2s in general were more fun than the Act 1s
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Feb 2, 2014 00:16
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I would like to see a Sonic game similar to the Speed movie starring Keanu Reeves. Sonic needs to run REALLY fast all of the time, otherwise he dies in a big explosion and there will be no more lovely Sonic games released ever again.
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Feb 2, 2014 00:21
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Crowbear posted:http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=98821637&postcount=196 The decline in software sales is much steeper than that and arguably more troubling. The licensed shovelware that made up the majority of Western GBA/DS support may have been mostly terrible, but a lot of it sold quite well and made a boatload of licensing revenue for Nintendo. Now, nearly all of that has been replaced by licensed games on iOS/Android, and that situation is not going to reverse itself. Even in Japan, many of the third parties, Square Enix and Capcom in particular, are clearly trending away from 3DS towards mobile.
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Feb 2, 2014 01:42
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Crowbear posted:I guess we'll see what they do with it. Could be a different developer doing a Wii U version alongside the main team like they did with Dimps and the 3DS version of Lost World. I'd be willing to bet the Wii U version is the lead version due to it being the first console listed on the picture despite coming after PS4 and Xbone alphabetically.
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Feb 2, 2014 03:57
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Crowbear posted:I guess we'll see what they do with it. Could be a different developer doing a Wii U version alongside the main team like they did with Dimps and the 3DS version of Lost World. They did the same thing for Unleashed (PS3/360 and wii/ps2), Colors (Wii and DS), and Generations (PS3/360 and 3DS), so this is probably what's going to happen. The main version on the more powerful systems while the weaker ones get a halfassed one by Dimps.
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Barry Convex posted:The decline in software sales is much steeper than that and arguably more troubling. The licensed shovelware that made up the majority of Western GBA/DS support may have been mostly terrible, but a lot of it sold quite well and made a boatload of licensing revenue for Nintendo. Now, nearly all of that has been replaced by licensed games on iOS/Android, and that situation is not going to reverse itself. I think Capcom's fine with the 3DS, MH4 is out in Japan and there's a 4G version that's getting an American release. No Wii U counterpart though.
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Feb 2, 2014 06:11
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Dieting Hippo posted:I think Capcom's fine with the 3DS, MH4 is out in Japan and there's a 4G version that's getting an American release. No Wii U counterpart though. MH4G is their sole announced upcoming 3DS title. I'm not saying that they're done with the platform, there's probably at least one more Ace Attorney coming too, but given that they had four 3DS titles announced before the system launched, and they've already stated that a decent chunk of the profits from MH4 will be invested to found a new mobile studio, I think it's clear where the trend is pointing.
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Feb 2, 2014 07:23
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Got one of those Club Nintendo Wii U surveys. Question 1: Does your household own a Wii U? Answer: No. "Thank you for taking our survey!" 
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Soul Glo posted:Got one of those Club Nintendo Wii U surveys. What do you expect them to do?
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Bruceski posted:What do you expect them to do? "Have you heard of the Wii U" "What is the reason why you haven't upgraded to the Wii U" "What would need to be changed before you would consider upgrading to the Wii U" Just ending at 'do you have on' DOES seem a bit odd.
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Feb 2, 2014 08:52
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NeilPerry posted:"Have you heard of the Wii U" The survey, assuming you're US, is about Wii Sports Club, they want to see if people are accessing Wii Sports Club and how they're playing it.
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Feb 2, 2014 08:56
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The rest of the survey is about your interest (or lack of) in wii u sports something. Nothing terribly interesting. edit: drat you deadwing  edit 2: Wait a minute... WHY would they need to start by asking if you own a Wii U ? This is a Club Nintendo survey, the drat thing would be registered there under your account ! Death Priest fucked around with this message at 09:05 on Feb 2, 2014 |
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Death Priest posted:The rest of the survey is about your interest (or lack of) in wii u sports something. Nothing terribly interesting. Not always. Sometimes it's used, or a different family member has it registered. It's often better to have a more generic survey to allow for such things. In this case it's "survey of people on Club Nintendo" instead of "survey of people who have registered a WiiU/Sports Resort at Club Nintendo." There's a lot of ways to screw up a survey. Leading questions and such can usually be spotted with a few read-overs by other people, but sampling biases can sneak in rather sinisterly when you think you're making it better.
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Death Priest posted:The rest of the survey is about your interest (or lack of) in wii u sports something. Nothing terribly interesting. What's funny is I do have a Wii U registered there, I just sold it months ago. 
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Dieting Hippo posted:I think Capcom's fine with the 3DS, MH4 is out in Japan and there's a 4G version that's getting an American release. No Wii U counterpart though. Capcom's 3DS efforts are a fraction of the support the gave the original DS. Going off game credits, most of the handheld teams were used to bolster AAA games (Dragon's Dogma and Resident Evil 6) or moved toward social gaming (Capcom Online Games). It's also down from the frontloaded support they gave during the 3DS launch. A few pages ago, I think someone asked me why Nintendo couldn't tie their health app to their consoles and get Michelle Obama's endorsement. Well, several gaming companies have already made inroads into the health and fitness business. In fact, Konami has already partnered with Michelle Obama's Let's Move organization to promote their products. The company has expanded into the health and fitness business through exercise machines and health services. Here are the results:  While the margins aren't particularly great, it's been a very stable venture for them. Over the past few years, Konami has steadily divested from AAA gaming in favor of more reliable revenue streams, such as health and panchinko machines. So Nintendo could play catch up and make health and fitness a major source of income for the company. However, they are not only lacking the infrastructure of pioneers like Konami but are also focusing on non-wearable which falls outside of the traditional health business. While QoL could potentially provide a steady source of income, Nintendo faces a lot of competition due to their relative lateness in making it a core part of their business. This doesn't even count the growing number of non-gaming health and fitness companies that specialize in this field.
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So what is digital entertainment? Did Konami become a film company while I had my back turned?
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Cliff Racer posted:So what is digital entertainment? Did Konami become a film company while I had my back turned? Konami defines Digital Entertainment as social games (Dragon Collection, Metal Gear Social Ops), computer/video games (PES 2013/MGR: Revengence), arcade games (Fortune Trinity 2), and collectible card games (Yu-Gi-Oh!). Gaming and Systems includes casino machines such as video slot machines. However, it does not include Panchinko machines which are in their own category.
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With the exception of Metal Gear and maybe Castlevania, Konami has really done a horrible job of updating their IPs over the years to keep them modern. Their recent move seems like it's better for business than it is for gamers. The fact that they can't figure out how to do anything noteworthy with Contra is kind of telling.
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Astro7x posted:With the exception of Metal Gear and maybe Castlevania, Konami has really done a horrible job of updating their IPs over the years to keep them modern. Their recent move seems like it's better for business than it is for gamers. The fact that they can't figure out how to do anything noteworthy with Contra is kind of telling. They released Shattered Soldier on the PS2, which was amazing and a return to form after the horrible games they released in the aftermath of Contra 3 and Contra Hard Corps, but people didn't like it either because NOT ENOUGH COLORS or it actually made them work for victory. Either way, it was a quickly forgotten shooter. There was Neo Contra...which I don't remember a whole lot of. Contra 4 on DS was also a decent game, safe as all hell when it comes to Contra, but still alright. They also had (NotContra)Hard Corps: Uprising for digital download on the PS3 and 360, insane in terms of difficulty, character customization, anime as all hell. Actually quite good if you could get past the aesthetic...but it seems that most people didn't. Konami has done a LOT to try and keep Contra current, far more than say, Nintendo has with Star Fox or F-Zero. Unfortunately, just like Star Fox and F-Zero, the number of people who give a poo poo about Contra dwindles practically by the minute. Metal Slug was better than Contra from day one, anyway  EDIT: Another franchise to lament would be Gradius. Gradius 5 is probably my favorite game in the series after Gradius Gaiden (which I don't think the US ever got a proper port of, the PSP collection has it, but without 2 players it's just not the same). Gradius 5 didn't do poo poo for the franchise, and a LOT went into that game, as far as a typical 2D shooter is concerned. Great developer pedigree (Treasure), amazing composer for the soundtrack, the game itself is a great mix of old school Gradius conventions and some of the crazier poo poo we see in modern shmups IMO, but like Shattered Soldier, nobody really gave a poo poo. fivegears4reverse fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Feb 2, 2014 |
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Also, M2 put out Contra Rebirth, Castlevania: The Adventure Rebirth, and Gradius Rebirth on Wiiware, which are all great games but got no attention, cause, yeah, Wiiware.
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Quest For Glory II posted:That's an excellent write-up. I'd be curious to hear from people who don't own a Wii U and aren't interested in one, and why. And whether they'd ever be interested. What would make it worth it? A significant price drop, and a much larger library of games that myself and my wife can play together. It seems to be marketed as a console that's accessible to a wide audience, but I don't even thhink they're doing a good job of doing that.
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Not saying this as an "everything is fine, y'all are wrong" but since a lot of folks have been citing the price as their problem, over in the other WiiU thread people have been finding some deluxe bundles with Nintendoland or Wind Waker at Sam's Club for $100-$200. Clearing out the old bundles I guess? They aren't listed online so you'd need to check in person. Or it could wind up being a wild goose chase. It's a balance of effort cost (time/gas spent traveling around, Sam's membership if you don't have one, maybe checking multiple stores) versus actual cost and everyone puts a different weight on the former.
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