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The Question IRL posted:What's the alternative? The scene is Steve getting a crash course in the past 60 years of world culture. The alternative to deciding what's included by internet poll would be deciding what's included based on the movie. Movies have themes an characters, and this is a chance to explore those things. What is selected for Steve as important, and how does he respond to it? Is the culture portrayed as evolving? Decaying? Staying the same, just with a different coat of paint? What does Steve like out of the past 60 years, and how do others react to his taste? To intercept the response I am sure to get, yes I know that there will be some of that in the scene. But having an internet poll decide what show gets added in post to a shot where Steve is looking at a TV makes that shot pointless, except as a little nerd reference, and weakens whatever the overall goals of that scene are. Eh, gently caress it, let's just do an internet poll. I hope My Little Pony wins.
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boom boom boom posted:The scene is Steve getting a crash course in the past 60 years of world culture. The alternative to deciding what's included by internet poll would be deciding what's included based on the movie. Movies have themes an characters, and this is a chance to explore those things. What is selected for Steve as important, and how does he respond to it? Is the culture portrayed as evolving? Decaying? Staying the same, just with a different coat of paint? What does Steve like out of the past 60 years, and how do others react to his taste? I'm assuming that you didn't read the link supplied, so I'll briefly summarize it. 1) It's supposed to be a British TV show and one from a very specific list, so it's not a write in selection. (So if you are worried about some kind of 4Chan esc spoilling of an open poll, it's not going to happen.) This itself is probably part of a localization deal to get other markets involved for the film, and it makes sense. Cap spent a lot of time in London during the war. It makes sense that he'd have an affinity for English culture having spent so long there.) 2) The show is one that appears on a list of things that Steve Rogers makes of things he needs to do. The list, and the choice of show, is designed to indicate something that Cap wants to do in his spare time. Without having seen it, I'm guessing that it's supposed to be a look at the man, Steve Rogers, who has lost out on so much. It's supposed to be a glimpse at how he likes his disposable, harmless entertainment. This isn't supposed to be a scene where Steve watches some deep insightful drama like Roots and ponders the huge amount of changes that have occurred in Race Relations and an examination of the uncomfortable things of America's past. It's supposed to say "in his spare time, Steve Rogers wants to watch John Cleese not mention the war, or Dermot Morgan kick a bishop up the arse." And that's the sort of connection with the average person that this film needs, and is best served with a bit of help from an online poll. It adds a sense of verisimilitude to the proceedings, that you don't get by having some Hollywood writer decide on his own what should be on the list.
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Feb 1, 2014 19:48
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As long as Steve's reaction to Doctor Who is "I don't get it" I'm cool.
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Feb 1, 2014 21:32
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Can it be Keeping Up Appearances? I want Haysinth appearance.
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Feb 1, 2014 21:54
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Not really surprising but Singer has said that X-Men: Apocalypse won't have any of the original trilogy cast in it and that dumb rumour of Apocalypse being an alien that possess Magneto wasn't true.
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Feb 1, 2014 21:57
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boom boom boom posted:Oh god, an internet poll was such a terrible loving idea You'd better not be be talking about Doctor Who there, because otherwise you and I are enemies now. I put in a vote for Downton Abbey (Along with Doctor Who and Fawlty Towers), because I could see Tony or Happy actually mentioning it and Steve deciding to see what the fuss was about. And Doctor Who because Tony and Bruce would likely do the same thing for that show. Steve was probably the kind of guy who liked sci-fi serials back in the day anyway (and if he worked from the 60s era, he'd have a handy transition through the evolution of TV making). I'd love to see him react to the glorious madness of the Flash Gordon movie.
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Feb 1, 2014 22:00
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Waterhaul posted:Not really surprising but Singer has said that X-Men: Apocalypse won't have any of the original trilogy cast in it and that dumb rumour of Apocalypse being an alien that possess Magneto wasn't true. The movie will probably end with a new timeline being created so they can introduce young versions of characters from the original cast and recast Cyclops, Jean, Storm, etc. Might be a good way to re-introduce Angel as well so they can do Archangel.
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Feb 1, 2014 22:10
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I'm starting to warm back up to DOFP. Thank Apocolypse that rumored teaser wasn't true. Things are slightly starting to look up for the Fox super hero films.
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Feb 1, 2014 22:22
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Dacap posted:The movie will probably end with a new timeline being created so they can introduce young versions of characters from the original cast and recast Cyclops, Jean, Storm, etc. Might be a good way to re-introduce Angel as well so they can do Archangel. Yeah, it probably just a cheap way to keep running with the FC group and still have Wolverine movies
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Feb 1, 2014 22:40
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The Question IRL posted:What's the alternative? I think he'd like Sleepy Hollow
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Feb 1, 2014 23:30
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AndyP posted:I think he'd like Sleepy Hollow Now I really want a Captain America series where he fights HYDRA and AIM while trying to adjust to modern life.
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Feb 2, 2014 00:35
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cptn_dr posted:Then tell him that's how it really happened.  Don't worry, Tumblr already has you covered.
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Feb 2, 2014 04:02
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Meh, Hawkeye wasn't doing anything that weekend anyway.
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Feb 2, 2014 04:20
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Gaz-L posted:Meh, Hawkeye wasn't doing anything that weekend anyway. Yeah, he was just gonna label his trick arrows anyway.
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Feb 2, 2014 05:12
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The Question IRL posted:I'm assuming that you didn't read the link supplied, so I'll briefly summarize it. It's not a glimpse at what Steve Rogers likes, it's an internet poll, it's a glimpse of what awful internet fandom is most motivated. It reveals nothing about his character. It's functionally the same as if the director and writer had died in post and all their notes had been lost and the producers had decided to pick what to paste onto the spray painted green screen of the television Steve Rogers had been looking at by picking names of TV shows out of a hat. quote:And that's the sort of connection with the average person that this film needs, and is best served with a bit of help from an online poll. Jesus gently caress no. I don't give a poo poo if Captain America likes JoJo's Bizarre Adventure as much as I do. I care about what Captain America represents, and how Steve Rogers the man deals with being a symbol of good in a cynical time, or losing his family and everyone he cares about, or fighting evil, or anything that actually matters and makes for a good story and an interesting character. quote:It adds a sense of verisimilitude to the proceedings, that you don't get by having some Hollywood writer decide on his own what should be on the list. Dude, I don't want to blow your mind here, but literally everything else about Steve Rogers was decided by some Hollywood writer. The words he says, the things he does, when and why he punches people. The whole movie was made by some Hollywood people. This internet poll was dreamed up by some Hollywood dude, probably to make stupid people feel like they have some investment in the movie. Yvonmukluk posted:You'd better not be be talking about Doctor Who there, because otherwise you and I are enemies now. Doctor Who is not a good television show.
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Feb 2, 2014 08:43
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boom boom boom posted:
It's a decent tv show with the second worst fanbase. Though I agree with other things you've sad. I'm trying to figure out how to put it into words, but Cap is not the jingoistic icon which he looks, he's always been to mean as representing the idea of America, the pure idea that you could be truely free and work together to create something great. Not the political and economic entity that is the united states. From the trailer, it sure as hell looks like these themes will be tackled in Cap 2, as it looks like he's going to go up against a SHIELD that is acting more as a unilateral force for America's interests than anything else, and by America's intrests, the whole "we will stop a problem before it happens...or before someone can think of it by bombing the poo poo out of it". Actually, I'd not be surprised if Fury gets taken out early on in the film, and the shadow council puts Redfords character in charge because he fits with their ideas that SHIELD should serve the interests of the elites than anything else. The battle over Washington is part of a coup where SHIELD attempts to take over the goverment because of a imagined weakness. "Asgard is a monarchy and its people are yearning to be free, the US MIltiary needs to remove Odin from power and secure its rich sources of Uru metal for America's security! We'll be greeted as liberators!"
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Feb 2, 2014 09:57
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Mark Waid already established Cap as a Radiohead fan that is enough for me.
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Feb 2, 2014 10:09
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twistedmentat posted:Actually, I'd not be surprised if Fury gets taken out early on in the film, and the shadow council puts Redfords character in charge because he fits with their ideas that SHIELD should serve the interests of the elites than anything else. The battle over Washington is part of a coup where SHIELD attempts to take over the goverment because of a imagined weakness. The Shadow Council tried to nuke NYC, which is probably something Fury reminds them of every time they try to cut his budget. That's enough of a reason to take him out of the picture in a way that doesn't involve him quietly retiring to write his memoirs.
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Feb 2, 2014 11:32
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boom boom boom posted:It's not a glimpse at what Steve Rogers likes, it's an internet poll, it's a glimpse of what awful internet fandom is most motivated. It reveals nothing about his character. It's functionally the same as if the director and writer had died in post and all their notes had been lost and the producers had decided to pick what to paste onto the spray painted green screen of the television Steve Rogers had been looking at by picking names of TV shows out of a hat. You're welcome to your opinion and all, but you care far too much.
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Feb 2, 2014 12:17
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twistedmentat posted:Actually, I'd not be surprised if Fury gets taken out early on in the film, and the shadow council puts Redfords character in charge because he fits with their ideas that SHIELD should serve the interests of the elites than anything else. The battle over Washington is part of a coup where SHIELD attempts to take over the goverment because of a imagined weakness. The shot in the trailer of Fury in a hospital bed being prepped for surgery while Cap and Black Widow look on kinda' makes me hope they get rid of Jackson's Fury. He's cool and all, but he's kind of superfluous at this point and he's really messing up the story they're trying to tell with S.H.I.E.L.D. in these films.
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Feb 2, 2014 13:07
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How's he messing up the story? I think they confirmed he has an extended guest spot on AoS after this so I don't think they're getting rid of him. Although it might be the tie in episode to this movie.
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Feb 2, 2014 13:11
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I hope he dies in Cap 2 then shows up in AoS and they introduce a big mystery of how he's alive. Also to the long post about how an internet poll will surely ruin the movie when Marvel ends up obliged to show My Little Pony, take a few chill pills dude. It'll be an 8-second gag where some old show is mentioned.
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Feb 2, 2014 13:25
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They really just need to sit Cap down with Ennis's full run on Punisher MAX and say, "Steve, while you were frozen, this kinda happened."
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Feb 2, 2014 15:26
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Hahaha anyone who thinks that this is going to be more than Happy watching Downton Abbey in Iron Man 3 is a goddamn moron.
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Feb 2, 2014 15:33
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twistedmentat posted:It's a decent tv show with the second worst fanbase. What show has the worst fanbase?
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Feb 2, 2014 15:47
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My Little Pony most likely.
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Feb 2, 2014 15:49
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Shows with terrible fanbases: Doctor Who, Community, Arrested Development, My Little Pony. I almost don't even want to count that last one since it is a children's show and therefore no adult would ever watch it, right?
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Feb 2, 2014 16:26
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So's the first one, yet here we are.
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Feb 2, 2014 16:29
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Yeah man TV shows have such lovely fanbases. *goes back to reading comics blogs*
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Feb 2, 2014 16:31
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greatn posted:How's he messing up the story? They keep trying to portray him as this wishy-washy benevolent face of the secret, authoritarian society who's also an idealist, but he's a pragmatist too and then he's lying and now he's not and They seem really afraid to alienate any part of the audience that likes Nick Fury so they constantly have him jump through these mental, and moral gymnastic exercises to justify why the character isn't as much of a piece of poo poo as he seems to be and it really spoils the tension between The Avengers and S.H.I.E.L.D. and the World Security Council.
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Feb 2, 2014 16:32
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Dan Didio posted:They keep trying to portray him as this wishy-washy benevolent face of the secret, authoritarian society who's also an idealist, but he's a pragmatist too and then he's lying and now he's not and I don't really think that they are portraying him as wishy-washy. He's shown a slightly lighter side in the post-credits Avengers scene he was in but he's always struck me as being very pragmatic. He lies when he needs to but figures that it might not always be the smartest thing to do with people that can do the sort of damage the Avengers can do. What I want to know is how they'll react if they find out Coulson is back. Now -that- would be a lie that it'd be neat to see come home to roost.
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Feb 2, 2014 16:37
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Sion posted:Yeah man TV shows have such lovely fanbases. Amen. Also anyone who likes superhero comics-- read: everyone here-- has no business talking smack about Doctor Who. It's got its problems, oh lord oh lord does it have its problems that aren't related to the fanbase at all, but it's not nearly so poo poo that superhero nerds get a blank check to talk smack about it.
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Feb 2, 2014 16:38
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Actually, it is.Sion posted:I don't really think that they are portraying him as wishy-washy. He absolutely is a confusing element that doesn't fit with the contrast between the Avengers idealism and 'old-fashioned notions' and the Security Council's bleak, modern, nuclear arms race pragmatism. He does horrible, pragmatic, morally indefensible things, operates under the same banner as the Security Council and then turns around and champions the common man and decries the methods his organization uses, all while completely undermining the Avengers central ideal and key moment. From everything we've seen of Winter Soldier, they haven't changed this at all. If all they're going to do is continue to confound and operate under some sub-South Park level 'the answer lies in the middle maybe???' type shenanigans then they might as well either get rid of him, or have him take on a more clearly antagonistic role to contrast with the Avengers. They need to break away from S.H.I.E.L.D. at some point, Jackson's Fury is pretty much just treading water until that happens, they find a stronger narrative for him, or he dies. Shirkelton fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Feb 2, 2014 |
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Sion posted:I don't really think that they are portraying him as wishy-washy. He's shown a slightly lighter side in the post-credits Avengers scene he was in but he's always struck me as being very pragmatic. He lies when he needs to but figures that it might not always be the smartest thing to do with people that can do the sort of damage the Avengers can do. What I want to know is how they'll react if they find out Coulson is back. Now -that- would be a lie that it'd be neat to see come home to roost. Technically that wasn't a lie. Coulson was dead all through the end of Avengers and wasn't brought back to life until several days later. So Nick Fury using his death to push them wasn't a "he's in surgery right now, this is a lie". He was actually dead.
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Electromax posted:I hope he dies in Cap 2 then shows up in AoS and they introduce a big mystery of how he's alive. This is a pretty big plot point of the SHIELD TV show. Coulson is back and they're being mysterious on the reason why. Or they were, I stopped watching the show after about 10 episodes of boredom.
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Feb 2, 2014 18:03
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IUG posted:This is a pretty big plot point of the SHIELD TV show. Coulson is back and they're being mysterious on the reason why. Or they were, I stopped watching the show after about 10 episodes of boredom. They answered he's back because "Fury moved Heaven and Earth" and apparently the big secret they were hiding from him was his surgery was painful so they implanted a vacation memory in there. This is apparently enough of an answer for everyone in universe.
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Feb 2, 2014 18:05
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Ah, that's somehow even more lame than "life model decoy". Glad I wrote that show off, doesn't seem to be doing anything interesting.
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Feb 2, 2014 18:07
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IUG posted:Ah, that's somehow even more lame than "life model decoy". Glad I wrote that show off, doesn't seem to be doing anything interesting. Agreed. If it was "Move Heaven and Earth" meaning Thor took a band of Gods and fought for the soul of Coulson it might have at least been fun. Or poo poo, at least have Fury go to Hercules and he takes a band of merry warriors for that type of stuff, possibly 3. Get your B and C Listers in there.
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Feb 2, 2014 18:24
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Gatts posted:Or poo poo, at least have Fury go to Hercules and he takes a band of merry warriors for that type of stuff, possibly 3. Get your B and C Listers in there. Aside from Graviton and Lorieli (in some upcoming episode), the show seems mandated to never EVER under penalty of cancellation EVER use anything from the Marvel universe that isn't referencing a movie that already came out. It's not the core reason why the show is garbage, but it really doesn't help. At least if it was using a bunch of known Marvel characters it could coast by on fanboy wanks like Arrow does.
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mind the walrus posted:Aside from Graviton and Lorieli I don't even know who these characters are, or what series they could be from. That's pretty Z-List right there.
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