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Looking at it the other way around: I can KIND OF understand robbing a bank, or your own party, for Scrooge McDuck quantities so you may spend the rest of your days consuming nothing but the highest-grade heroin. But for 6000€?
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Also forging a PhD? Really? You couldn't copy & paste 200 pages together like a normal politician? And you want to run the bureaucracy?
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Cingulate posted:Looking at it the other way around: I can KIND OF understand robbing a bank, or your own party, for Scrooge McDuck quantities so you may spend the rest of your days consuming nothing but the highest-grade heroin. But for 6000€? You don't really get how this type of people work, huh. He probably thinks he's entitled to the money because he worked so hard for the party and sacrificed so much and what is good for him is good for the party and btw there need to be some new doors installed in the garage so why not take this money, right?
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Orange Devil posted:I agree with this politician. A single salary ought to be enough to provide for a whole family. Exactly. Don't care if it's the father or the mother. But don't worry! Soon we'll be back in the good old days when those lazy children had to work so the family wouldn't starve. 
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Oh, CSU. You really are old-fashioned bringing us new doctorate-related shenanigans like it's 2012. Why the hell would you think it was a good idea to make somebody secretary general that has a doctorate (and only a small one at that) from an university in Prague? And because "Leistung muss sich wieder lohnen" he tops it off by allegedly having plagiarized for his diploma-mill doctorate. I can't figure out how somebody is cunning enough to get a high position in the CSU while not being prone to the fact that academic credentials from Eastern Europe and Switzerland are regularly found to be invalid in Germany. (German language sperging: Es gibt keine Doktortitel. Das sind akademische Grade.  )
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Randler posted:Oh, CSU. You really are old-fashioned bringing us new doctorate-related shenanigans like it's 2012. It is probably because they are the neighbors of the Austrians.
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Jan 17, 2014 16:38
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Randler posted:Oh, CSU. You really are old-fashioned bringing us new doctorate-related shenanigans like it's 2012. Oh lol. Good thing CSU isn't allowed to rule over a "Kulturhoheit" on their very own and High King Seehofer isn't god already. Things like that make me believe the CSU is a party made of alcoholic bavarians who lost their home due to foreigner-tolls and non-bavarian "Überfremdung". All hail the king.
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So what do you think about the Steuerhinterziehungsselbstanzeigengesetzlage? Should tax evasion be punished more harshly?
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So... We might finally have a real scandal in the making, I guess? One somewhat prominent SPD politician (Edathy) under investigation for sex crimes against children, at least one CSU minister (Friedrich) under investigation for the breach of official secrets and various high-ranking SPD politicians (Gabriel, Steinmeier, possibly others) under scrutiny for criminal assistance in avoiding prosecution. While this isn't the first time prominent SPD politicians were investigated for sex crimes targetting minors (remember Tauss), the fact that Friedrich might have warned Gabriel and Steinmeier, over whom news of the investigation might have come to Edathy is pretty novel. I wonder if Merkel manages to come out of this unscathed.
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Randler posted:So... Rhetorical question, right? As if anything would tar the image of the Teflon-Kanzler(in).
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Yeah, getting rid of a CSU hard-liner and decapitating the SPD will basically leave her without any opposition. gently caress. I sincerely hope that Edathy was warned by someone else.
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You really have to admire how everyone who could in time come to challenge Merkel seems to shoot themselves in the foot at some point. Von der Leyen seems immune so far, but she has Defense so good luck with that.
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Whelp, looks like Friedrich is going to resign at a press conference at 17:00 Berlin time. At least this is what various news sources are reporting, so even if Friedrich would stick to his earlier "I only resign once I'm being investigated" stance it seems pretty clear that he is done for. (Not that the start of an investigation would require all that much.) Hopefully, the SPD leadership takes some inspiration for this, but I somehow doubt Gabriel, Steinmeier or any of the other social democrats suspected to have been involved in shielding one of their own will go down as easily. 
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Randler posted:Whelp, looks like Friedrich is going to resign at a press conference at 17:00 Berlin time. At least this is what various news sources are reporting, so even if Friedrich would stick to his earlier "I only resign once I'm being investigated" stance it seems pretty clear that he is done for. (Not that the start of an investigation would require all that much.) Hopefully, the SPD leadership takes some inspiration for this, but I somehow doubt Gabriel, Steinmeier or any of the other social democrats suspected to have been involved in shielding one of their own will go down as easily. We don't even know what really happened, I think it is a bit premature to talk about anybody there resigning. Even Edathy is not yet convicted of anything, it seem the evidence is a bit lacking. I think even Friedrich could have held out, but he was not that interested in being away from Bavaria in the first place.
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Torrannor posted:We don't even know what really happened, I think it is a bit premature to talk about anybody there resigning. Even Edathy is not yet convicted of anything, it seem the evidence is a bit lacking. I think even Friedrich could have held out, but he was not that interested in being away from Bavaria in the first place. Edathy isn't the scandal here. The scandal is ministers and high-ranking politicians warning one of their own and giving him weeks to prepare his defense. If they did that they totally have to resign.
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Grim Up North posted:Edathy isn't the scandal here. The scandal is ministers and high-ranking politicians warning one of their own and giving him weeks to prepare his defense. If they did that they totally have to resign. From the latest article I gathered he became aware of the allegations because of internal SPD gossip. Is there evidence that somebody told him directly that he was being investigated?
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Torrannor posted:We don't even know what really happened, I think it is a bit premature to talk about anybody there resigning. The scandal isn't about yet another politician in the German left being suspected of pedophilia or the commission of crimes related to it. (As frequent as that happens, it's not even a good first page news story.) The scandal is, as Grim Up North pointed out, that some of the highest-ranking politicians of the republic had prior knowledge of the investigation, partly shared that knowledge in an inlegitimate way and might have criminally prevented effective investigation of Edathy. Friedrich, Steinmeier, Gabriel and Oppermann all have acknowledged prior knowledge of the investigation against Edathy. In Friedrich's case, he already admitted having warned the already mentioned SPD politicians, which gives ample reason for him to resign. As for Steinmeier, Gabriel and Oppermann, we'll see how things develope. Though maybe not criminally relevant, Opperman has already admitted to sharing the news with his successor (who denies it). So even if no criminal charges stick to the SPD politicians, it might be enough to end their careers.
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Randler posted:The scandal isn't about yet another politician in the German left being suspected of pedophilia or the commission of crimes related to it. (As frequent as that happens, it's not even a good first page news story.) The scandal is, as Grim Up North pointed out, that some of the highest-ranking politicians of the republic had prior knowledge of the investigation, partly shared that knowledge in an inlegitimate way and might have criminally prevented effective investigation of Edathy. Friedrich, Steinmeier, Gabriel and Oppermann all have acknowledged prior knowledge of the investigation against Edathy. In Friedrich's case, he already admitted having warned the already mentioned SPD politicians, which gives ample reason for him to resign. As for Steinmeier, Gabriel and Oppermann, we'll see how things develope. Though maybe not criminally relevant, Opperman has already admitted to sharing the news with his successor (who denies it). So even if no criminal charges stick to the SPD politicians, it might be enough to end their careers. Randler posted:So... Nice attacks against the left. Anyway, from what I gathered from the Spiegel article it seems as if Edathi was warned by internal SPD gossip. We have no idea how this whole thing went down. Imagine Edathi, who made a name for himself in various Untersuchungsausschüssen being planned for some post in the next government, then he is suddenly dropped. Gabriel and co. have to justify that somehow to the rest of the SPD, and even something like "I cannot talk about it" will send a strong signal, especially if Edathi knew that he was supposed to get a post. And then he only has to connect the dots ("I have child porn on my PC") and he is warned, without the SPD leaders having done anything wrong. We don't know yet what exactly happened, but calling for them to resign is premature.
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Torrannor posted:Nice attacks against the left. No need to compliment me. It's not like I had to put a lot of effort into it, considering it's an attack that basically makes itself: Cohn-Bendit, Tauss, Edathy, Trittin, Pirate Party position regarding decriminalization, Odenwald reform school abuses cases, Green Party positions regarding Indian Commune. The big stories related to pedophilia and child abuse of the last few years have all revolved around figures of the politicial left, usually due to the permissive attitudes regarding pedophilia advocated during the 68er movement. The political left in Germany has a massive problem with their attitude towards these issues. Edit: On the topic of attitude problems within the German left, apparently Sarrazin has a new book out bemoaning how badly the media treats him. 
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I've been out of the loop for a while, breach of secrecy against whom exactly?
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Wikipedia posted:Edathy unterstützte 2007 das 2010 für verfassungswidrig erklärte Gesetz zur Vorratsdatenspeicherung. Randler posted:The political left in Germany has a massive problem with their attitude towards these issues.
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Randler posted:Cohn-Bendit, Tauss, Edathy, Trittin, Pirate Party position regarding decriminalization, Odenwald reform school abuses cases, Green Party positions regarding Indian Commune. The big stories related to pedophilia and child abuse of the last few years have all revolved around figures of the politicial left, usually due to the permissive attitudes regarding pedophilia advocated during the 68er movement. The political left in Germany has a massive problem with their attitude towards these issues. Yeah right. The left are all child fuckers and the right are basically nazis. Capitalist nazis. I think it's nice how the politicians help each other with covering their crimes even though they're in different parties. That's the spirit of the grand coalition!
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:I think it's nice how the politicians help each other with covering their crimes even though they're in different parties. That's the spirit of the grand coalition! Yeah, the main issue isn't so much the flavour of crime that may or may not have been committed, but that the politicians get to cover for another and quietly deal with such... unpleasantries. Our elected representatives are placing themselves beyond the law by exploiting their positions, access to information and connections. That poo poo does not fly.
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Let's see what the Spiegel is writing:quote:War das Vorgehen der Ermittlungsbehörden angemessen? So there was no direct evidence for a crime, but the police decided that there was a chance that Edathi had forbidden child porn and wanted to look further into it. Friedrich knew about that and told Gabriel. Gabriel then talked with a few other SPD leaders, and Edathi somehow must have learned about it. Friedrich certainly acted inappropriate, although he may have simply misunderstood the situation, since he thought the informations were "nicht strafrechtlich relevant". Everything else is unknown. We don't know if Edathi did anything illegal (Nice try, Randler, innocent until proven guilty, ever heard about that?), and we don't know how he learned about the ongoing investigation. If someone made a careless remark ("one of our members is suspected of having child porn") and Edathi hears about that through gossip, he could probably connect the dots. Or perhaps he was told directly by somebody who wanted to warn him. But we don't know anything, so perhaps we should see how it unfolds before we judge the people. And quite typical that the Union is trying to shift the blame to the SPD while the only proven wrongdoing is by one of their members.
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Torrannor posted:And quite typical that the Union is trying to shift the blame to the SPD while the only proven wrongdoing is by one of their members. Of course, as you say, for now, only the latter is actually reasonably proved.
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Well, we will never know now. He was warned and it is not much work to get rid of child pornography as long as it's files on media you can erase.
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Couldn't they prosecute entirely based on server records? Alas, unless I severely underestimate how enlightened our society is, he'd be done forever even if he turned out innocent.
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Cingulate posted:Couldn't they prosecute entirely based on server records? Especially if you consider that now it's basically impossible for him to prove his innocence.
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Cingulate posted:Couldn't they prosecute entirely based on server records? Only if the server records show him trying to get material falling under the relevant section of the criminal code. It appears like they only have records of him purchasing material which does not.
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ArchangeI posted:You really have to admire how everyone who could in time come to challenge Merkel seems to shoot themselves in the foot at some point. Von der Leyen seems immune so far, but she has Defense so good luck with that. Thats the NSA working with Merkel to secure her position as chancellor forever and ever. And Flinten-Uschi was never in a position to be a threat to her at any point.
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If Merkel is the Queen then von der Leyen is Prince Charles.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:If Merkel is the Queen then von der Leyen is Prince Charles. that would make Westerwelle Lady Di then 
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Randler posted:No need to compliment me. It's not like I had to put a lot of effort into it, considering it's an attack that basically makes itself: Could you maybe elaborate a little on this? I feel like you need some more rope.
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Since German politicians recently seem to be very eager for getting kicked out, it will be disastrous when Merkel finally dies of old age on her throne as there will be no successor left. 
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Faber posted:Since German politicians recently seem to be very eager for getting kicked out, it will be disastrous when Merkel finally dies of old age on her throne as there will be no successor left. many believed the same about Kohl and look what followed in his footsteps
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Teron D Amun posted:many believed the same about Kohl and look what followed in his footsteps A Red-Green coalition? Hmm, I can't wait for Merkel to leave office then.
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Teron D Amun posted:many believed the same about Kohl and look what followed in his footsteps Seven years of a center-left government that probably could have lasted longer if Schröder didn't pull that stupid move?
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