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BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn
Next episode, Nil's facade will shatter and he will reveal the Sengoku Astray's secret ninja arts. Before each one, Nils will perform the appropriate hand signs.

Blackchamber posted:

Why bother coming up with a unique gimmick if you can do like the Fenice did and seemingly appear out of nowhere above the BS and unleash.

Fellini's a pretty good pilot too actually! But the thing with Speed Mode and the RG System is that they pump the SBS' mobility way beyond anything else. You get a good glimpse at that in episode 15, where once the RG system is on the SBS is practically dancing around the Wing Fenice, which was stated to be only slightly below the SBS in build quality.

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Zedd
Jul 6, 2009

I mean, who would have noticed another madman around here?



BlitzBlast posted:

Next episode, Nil's facade will shatter and he will reveal the Sengoku Astray's secret ninja arts. Before each one, Nils will perform the appropriate hand signs.
I want this to happen so drat much now.

tsob
Sep 26, 2006

Chalalala~

veekie posted:

Or you can cheat and have a two-man operation to build and pilot the thing, so both can focus on being crazy strong in their area of expertise.

Meijin/Allan, Sei/Reiji, Aila/Nemesis, Renato Brothers. Almost all the highest ranked competitors actually use a seperate builder and fighter now that you mention it. Nils and Fellini are the highest rankers who don't I suppose. Honestly, Mao should team up with another fighter for the next tournament, maybe Sazaki could really flourish as a pilot if he had a unit with good build quality. Would Mao be willing to make a Gyan Maoh custom?

I want to see China and Aila teaming up if there is a second season as well.

Zedd posted:

I want this to happen so drat much now.

In thinking about it, I'm disappointed the Sengoku Astray doesn't have a ninja themed inner suit Virtue/Seravee style. Or an armor shedding technique that turns it in to a ninja a la the Commando Gundam that Aila used.

tsob fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Feb 3, 2014

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
Don't you think you should put more thought into your battleplan?!


For all we know, it might. Doubtful, but possible!

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn
I just find it so hilarious that Nils has a full ninja suit he wears specifically while he's sneaking around. I like to think his wardrobe is full of overly-specific outfits that could only fit one possible action, like he has a chef's uniform for when he eats, a pilot outfit whenever he gets on a plane, or full diving attire every time he goes to the beach.

Schubalts
Nov 26, 2007

People say bigger is better.

But for the first time in my life, I think I've gone too far.

tsob posted:

True actually, I'd forgotten him now that you point it out. I was gonna say he's not as silly, but he is - just not in the same way. I don't remember him punching the ground though, or fighting hand to hand at all at any point. Not to say it didn't happen mind, just that I've obviously forgotten it. If he does do anything like Mao's Master did this episode though I'll be delighted.

When Niels fought the American champion, Greco, in episode 8, he used his fists. Greco wouldn't give up, even after losing both arms, and boosted into Niels so he couldn't use the swords. Niels switched to gauntlets and crater-punched the Tallgeese.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?=bC1owUxslXQ#t=1115

Blackchamber
Jan 25, 2005

BlitzBlast posted:

Fellini's a pretty good pilot too actually! But the thing with Speed Mode and the RG System is that they pump the SBS' mobility way beyond anything else. You get a good glimpse at that in episode 15, where once the RG system is on the SBS is practically dancing around the Wing Fenice, which was stated to be only slightly below the SBS in build quality.

No doubt. I don't think it'd be enough to get you to the top 16 alone but it'd do well on the local level or get you into the qualifiers against people who don't have ridiculously awesome builds.

The way the Renato brothers seem to be switching up their gunpla, not relying on a gimmick thus far but by picking gunpla that work well for the situation. A tactical/practical approach so far is being proven a valid strategy. I don't think they've shown them thus far as being above average pilots... thats next episode.

BizarroAzrael
Apr 6, 2006

"That must weigh heavily on your soul. Let me purge it for you."

BlitzBlast posted:

Also a design competition for BF just ended. Apparently the top 3 will show up with some focus in the anime, while the rest just got to cameo in this episode. I can only assume Red Deathscythe won because it'd be so easy to animate.

Where does the image of the second one come from? Looks like a Zaku-like (Geara Doga?) head on God Gundam's body and legs and swords from elsewhere. Looks like a game but I have no idea if there is one with that level of customisation.

TaurusOxford
Feb 10, 2009

Dad of the Year 2021

BizarroAzrael posted:

Where does the image of the second one come from? Looks like a Zaku-like (Geara Doga?) head on God Gundam's body and legs and swords from elsewhere. Looks like a game but I have no idea if there is one with that level of customisation.

It's from Gundam Breaker. Think Dynasty Warriors with Gunpla customization.

Edit for nerdiness:

Geara Doga head
God Gundam arms and torso
Astray Red Frame Kai legs
Sazabi's beam shotgun
Sword Strike backpack

TaurusOxford fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Feb 3, 2014

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled
An okay episode. It's a bit of a cooldown after Fellini, but that's perfectly okay. I had no real complaints about the fight because as was said earlier the point of the episode was that Mao is the underdog here and the theme is basically "Don't sweat yourself over winning so much as long as you're enjoying yourself". I do love that we're continuing the tradition of the Absorb Shield being absolutely, completely loving useless against anyone with a name. One thing I hope they do in future fights is cut back on the "Hah! I destroyed your beam rifle!" *less than 3 seconds later* "Oh no! You've also destroyed my beam rifle!" that they seem to love. Melee is way more climactic of a finish of course, but I'd like to see someone fighting at a disadvantage for a little bit in one of these fights.





Luang noooooooo

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
Don't you think you should put more thought into your battleplan?!


I suspect we'll get plenty of gun action in the next episode since it is two Pistoleer/Sniper Gunpla going head to head.

It'll probably still come down to the knives anyway though.

DookieSandwich
Nov 14, 2012

Galaga Galaxian posted:

I suspect we'll get plenty of gun action in the next episode since it is two Pistoleer/Sniper Gunpla going head to head.

It'll probably still come down to the knives anyway though.

I hope theres some sniper dueling in the next episode since the Kampfer is also equipped with a sniper rifle

AradoBalanga
Jan 3, 2013



Aila, stop that! Command Gundam isn't food.

Bloody Pom
Jun 5, 2011



AradoBalanga posted:



Aila, stop that! Command Gundam isn't food.
:kimchi:

I didn't think it was possible, but the portrayals of the Knight Gundam and Command Gundam in this show have actually made me like SD Gundam.

Also, Aila is adorable and the best character.

Babysitter Super Sleuth
Apr 26, 2012

my posts are as bad the Current Releases review of Gone Girl

Bloody Pom posted:

Also, Aila is adorable and the best character.
Counterpoint:



Obari's twitter is the best

boom boom boom
Jun 28, 2012

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I would post Counterpoint: and then a picture of Sei's mom, but I don't want to wade through an eternity of porn to find a SFW one.

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Bloody Pom
Jun 5, 2011



:stare: I'm almost tempted to ask what the story behind that signature is.

On topic, I like Aila mostly because of how she goes from 0 to :swoon: in a heartbeat over the simplest things. From the glimpses of her past that we've been shown, it makes sense that she'd find little things like tasty food to be THE BEST THING EVER WOW!

Caros
May 14, 2008

If there is one big success of build fighters, it is in having a standout, like able and relateable cast.

The 'worst' character on the show is Kirara, and the show has gone out of its way to give a positive view of a plot that a lesser show [age] might have driven to its hosed up MRA conclusion.

I thought Alia was going to be a stupid cyber newtype stand in, and look at what we got.

Also, props to the show for the lateness newtype reference. Why are we always repeating the mistakes of the past indeed?

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn
I bet Sei looks for excuses to quote Gundam all the time. He probably knows the entire Dakar speech by heart, and is just waiting for the perfect moment.

Bloody Pom
Jun 5, 2011



I'm still waiting for a "Gunpla... Ore wa Gunpla!" myself. :v:

TaurusOxford
Feb 10, 2009

Dad of the Year 2021

Bloody Pom posted:

I'm still waiting for a "Gunpla... Ore wa Gunpla!" myself. :v:

We need more 00 cameos. I'd be upset if anyone other than not-Setsuna said that.

Bloody Pom
Jun 5, 2011



TaurusOxford posted:

We need more 00 cameos. I'd be upset if anyone other than not-Setsuna said that.

Not-Setsuna eating potato chips dramatically as some kind of insane fourth wall-breaking meta reference. :haw:

E: He should also just be the parody Setsuna from the 00 movie opening.

Bloody Pom fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Feb 4, 2014

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS

TaurusOxford posted:

We need more 00 cameos. I'd be upset if anyone other than not-Setsuna said that.

There was a kitbashed white Flag on that old dude's display case!

The Chad Jihad
Feb 24, 2007


Based on nothing at all I'm going to say the twins are stand-ins for older gundam fans who identify more with veterans in custom grunt suits than the usual protagonist, as I'm typing this I'm noticing the flaws so no need to pick it apart

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

Caros posted:

If there is one big success of build fighters, it is in having a standout, like able and relateable cast.

The 'worst' character on the show is Kirara, and the show has gone out of its way to give a positive view of a plot that a lesser show [age] might have driven to its hosed up MRA conclusion.

I thought Alia was going to be a stupid cyber newtype stand in, and look at what we got.

Also, props to the show for the lateness newtype reference. Why are we always repeating the mistakes of the past indeed?

I'm so happy that this show rewarded all of my faith in the writers since the thread had that big argument over whether or not China and Kirara were sexist characters way back when the series was just starting. It could have easily gone the other way.

Caros
May 14, 2008

Kanos posted:

I'm so happy that this show rewarded all of my faith in the writers since the thread had that big argument over whether or not China and Kirara were sexist characters way back when the series was just starting. It could have easily gone the other way.

You and me both.

Srice
Sep 11, 2011

People were also really suspicious of Aila but I've always been confident that the show's writers would do more than just make her be a dumb cliche.

And boy did they succeed.

TARDISman
Oct 28, 2011



Kanos posted:

I'm so happy that this show rewarded all of my faith in the writers since the thread had that big argument over whether or not China and Kirara were sexist characters way back when the series was just starting. It could have easily gone the other way.

Also some people argued it couldn't be as amazing as G Gundam because it's not as deep and self aware, and I like to think that the show's proven that point wrong multiple times over.

Babysitter Super Sleuth
Apr 26, 2012

my posts are as bad the Current Releases review of Gone Girl

TaurusOxford posted:

We need more 00 cameos. I'd be upset if anyone other than not-Setsuna said that.

In a sudden and unexpected twist, Meijin is defeated by Patrick Mannequin who moves forward to be Sei and Reiji's opponent in the final match of the championships.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Kanos posted:

I'm so happy that this show rewarded all of my faith in the writers since the thread had that big argument over whether or not China and Kirara were sexist characters way back when the series was just starting. It could have easily gone the other way.

It has gone the other way though? They are not actually allowed to do anything in the plot but cheer for their respective boyfriend character. Bearguy isn't even in the OP/ED anymore. I like Build Fighters a lot but Aila is the closest the the show has to a non-sidelined female character and she's on her way to Cyber Newtype Plot-town. Mind you that's still a drat sight better than multiple episodes of sitting there clutching your hands together going "Iori-kuuun"

I mean as far as these things go they're pretty likable adaptations of that archetype and it's better than Age's Fridges or Mothers setup but it's still pretty bad. The rest of the show is so good that it's worth overlooking but it's still frustrating because it would be effortless to fix. (And they come close sometimes. Last week's episode was pretty fun, not in the least because Aila and Reiji were both given the same kind of treatment and both allowed to actually do things.

ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Feb 4, 2014

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

ImpAtom posted:

It has gone the other way though? They are not actually allowed to do anything in the plot but cheer for their respective boyfriend character. Bearguy isn't even in the OP/ED anymore. I like Build Fighters a lot but Aila is the closest the the show has to a non-awful female character and she's on her way to Cyber Newtype Plot-town. Mind you that's still a drat sight better than multiple episodes of sitting there clutching your hands together going "Iori-kuuun"

What are they going to do? We're in a tournament arc and neither of them are in the tournament. China was responsible for Sei coming up with the Star Build Strike in the first place. Kirara is pretty much a "keep at it and you'll achieve your dreams" character.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Kanos posted:

What are they going to do? We're in a tournament arc and neither of them are in the tournament. China was responsible for Sei coming up with the Star Build Strike in the first place. Kirara is pretty much a "keep at it and you'll achieve your dreams" character.

They wrote the show. It is not an accurate true-to-life depiction of reality. They could have come up with a plot that didn't involve introducing a bunch of female cast members and then having all but one of them reduced to sitting on the sidelines while the action happens. Considering they have Ramba Ral and Sei's dad beating up loving Gunpla Mafia guys, I find it hard to believe they couldn't find anything for the characters to do that isn't cheering on or motivating male characters.

I mean don't get me wrong. It's otherwise a really fun show with a really likable cast and for the most part I've enjoyed every episode so far. The lackluster female cast is basically the only thing holding it back for me and the only reason it stands out to me is that it feels like such an easy thing to fix. On the scale of Gundam problems it's fairly low, it just stands out because the rest of the show is so well done.

ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Feb 4, 2014

Bloody Pom
Jun 5, 2011



They should have a mid-tournament exhibition match that works like the Battle Royale but exclusively features 'cute' or SD Gunpla. That would be amazing. :allears:

Crowetron
Apr 29, 2009

It would honestly be amazing if the next GUNPLA MAFIA plot is resolved by China and Sei's Mom solvin' mysteries Scooby-Doo style. I'm also pretty surprised they haven't had Aila interact with China at all. Actually, having China bump into the other competitors outside the area would be a neat way to flesh out both her and the rival fighters' characters.

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn
Honestly, I'm just glad that once the world tournament started up we finally started seeing some girls piloting the random fodder. Much more inclusive than having only guys ever.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Crowetron posted:

It would honestly be amazing if the next GUNPLA MAFIA plot is resolved by China and Sei's Mom solvin' mysteries Scooby-Doo style. I'm also pretty surprised they haven't had Aila interact with China at all. Actually, having China bump into the other competitors outside the area would be a neat way to flesh out both her and the rival fighters' characters.

I think the reason for this is that unlike Reiji, anyone else would ask her what her name is if they interacted with her for any significant period of time and then the jig would be up!

Crowetron
Apr 29, 2009

ImpAtom posted:

I think the reason for this is that unlike Reiji, anyone else would ask her what her name is if they interacted with her for any significant period of time and then the jig would be up!

Unless she uses a false name! Maybe some sunglasses, too...

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Crowetron posted:

Unless she uses a false name! Maybe some sunglasses, too...

I believe Meijin Kawaguchi showed the effectiveness of that particular tactic. :colbert:

Crowetron
Apr 29, 2009

ImpAtom posted:

I believe Meijin Kawaguchi showed the effectiveness of that particular tactic. :colbert:

He forgot the important middle step of wearing a big goofy mask while fighting.

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Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

ImpAtom posted:

They wrote the show. It is not an accurate true-to-life depiction of reality. They could have come up with a plot that didn't involve introducing a bunch of female cast members and then having all but one of them reduced to sitting on the sidelines while the action happens. Considering they have Ramba Ral and Sei's dad beating up loving Gunpla Mafia guys, I find it hard to believe they couldn't find anything for the characters to do that isn't cheering on or motivating male characters.

I mean don't get me wrong. It's otherwise a really fun show with a really likable cast and for the most part I've enjoyed every episode so far. The lackluster female cast is basically the only thing holding it back for me and the only reason it stands out to me is that it feels like such an easy thing to fix. On the scale of Gundam problems it's fairly low, it just stands out because the rest of the show is so well done.

Before he threw a Gunpla Mafia guy across the room, Ral's contribution to the show was actually below that of China's, honestly. Aila's been a recurring character and has gotten to Do Things. Kirara hasn't, but she's basically a background character and I'm mostly just pleased that her arc wasn't "Evil Conniving Woman Tries to Backstab Hero, Fails".

I think they wasted a bit of an opportunity with "Ral and China help Sei repair the Star Build", though. I'd have loved to see a China-inspired gimmick on the SBS get pulled out in a fight.

Bloody Pom posted:

They should have a mid-tournament exhibition match that works like the Battle Royale but exclusively features 'cute' or SD Gunpla. That would be amazing. :allears:

I would love this but they went with Rookie Mistakes When Building Gunpla: The Episode instead, which turned out just fine too.

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