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Omi-Polari posted:You raise an important point about the people who do this. You have to see them as people who've entered into a cult-like state where they've become detached from the world around them, but are at the same time existing in a state of intense calm and purpose which allows them to plan ahead and go about their daily lives. Martin Scorsese's "Taxi Driver" is the best representation of this that I've seen. This entire post is excellent, and I had kind of thought of those type of folks to be almost in the Travis Bickle-like mold you're described. I read the comments on the youtube post insisting it was a "CONSPIRACY" the guy was taken away for shouting out the "TRUTH". I mean...if the guy was shouting out "I LOVE MACARONI AND CHEESE! I LOVE MACARONI AND CHEESE!", he'd have been taken away regardless. A few of the comments were just kind of downright sick. Like this for example: quote:Planes that hit towers were switched from their takeoff at STEWART AIR FORCE BASE in NY. The planes were then remotely guided into towers. Passengers were unloaded at Stewart AFB and forced to make phony phone calls home. Look this up everyone! Yes, the same government that couldn't cover up the President getting a blowjob, and has had scandals involving Bradley Manning and Eric Snowden somehow staged an elaborate fake attack on the country. Like..seriously..with that simple bit of logic, wouldn't there have been one person to have spoken up and said something by now?
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FuzzySkinner posted:Yes, the same government that couldn't cover up the President getting a blowjob, and has had scandals involving Bradley Manning and Eric Snowden somehow staged an elaborate fake attack on the country. ALIENS! Your move, sheeple  Anyway, I have a feeling that Lizard People™ were "invented" to lessen the cognitive dissonance between humans are dumb and governments (run by dumb humans) somehow control the world. And since these Lizard People™ have a mind control device, dumb people could easily be silenced. But not smart people, so let me tell you about those FEMA camps...
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FuzzySkinner posted:First off. How did this idiot sneak past the Super Bowl? One of the most heavily guarded places in the world.
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FuzzySkinner posted:Yes, the same government that couldn't cover up the President getting a blowjob, and has had scandals involving Bradley Manning and Eric Snowden somehow staged an elaborate fake attack on the country. Ask what happened ot the passangers and crew, and they will respond with Killed. So no one thought to use their fake phone call to go "THE GOVERMENT IS DOING IT!!" Nope, not at all.
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FuzzySkinner posted:Like..seriously..with that simple bit of logic, wouldn't there have been one person to have spoken up and said something by now? One defining thing about conspiracy theories is that they are naturally a logical paradox: the government/organization that is concealing/orchestrated the act must be so competent to prevent any details leaking or the conspiracy going wrong in any minor way (such as every single person involved not being a complete sociopath), yet incompetent enough that they left clues that any outsider with a bare modicum of knowledge can pick up on. They don't function logically and never will. As to why people believe them? Well, aside from mental illness and the racist overtones of some conspiracies, it is a sort of defense mechanism for how horrible the world can be. It insulates people, and makes people feel safe. As well as providing a sense of community they might not otherwise have with others who hold those similar views. That 'they are not alone'. It also allows for them a small amount of control ('well, I know how it REALLY happened!') in an otherwise chaotic world. Of course it couldn't be just one guy who shot the president, it must have been a cabal of the CIA and the military who also executed his mistress because she knew too much! It is impossible for a few guys with box cutters to do the damage they did, it had to be a false flag operation using remote guided military planes in order to be used as an excuse to invade the Middle East! When in reality, all it takes is a person with a terrible ideology and the will to apply it to cause suffering on a massive scale. Or simply using lies and propaganda to incite a war. The fact that it is so easy to do is horrifying. Clouding that sort of thing in a big, byzantine conspiracy makes it complicated and difficult to pull off. Opposite to how at any moment, things in any conspiracy could happen. Just a few people, one horrible idea and the will to go through with it. No conspiracy required. Dapper Dan fucked around with this message at 11:59 on Feb 3, 2014 |
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FuzzySkinner posted:A few of the comments were just kind of downright sick. Like this for example: And then were all executed Malmendy style to prevent leaks. These clowns just can't be rationalized with, there's something mentally broken upstairs. I spent weeks trying to convince one that he was wrong. "Look, see, explosions, follow the debris cloud trails, see how they arc up like something exploded?!" Well, see when the trail started it was going down like stuff falling off the building as it collapsed, and the cloud gets drawn down as the building falls to make the arc. "See the I-beams are all marked and cut on angles like they were cut by explosives!" Here's pictures from the cleanup scene where workers torch the remainder of the foundation on angles and mark them with paint Through the conspiracy web we went till he just started at the top again with arcing debris clouds. Nothing will stick, they're just like religious nutters, they'll be debunked and busted time after time, but they never will accept it, they can't accept it, thus you'll just go around and around in circles till you lose your desire to continue and they'll shout victory, that their crazy has been right all along
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Forgall posted:Remember that crazy dude at Mandela's funeral? 100% security is impossible. update. http://www.nj.com/super-bowl/index.ssf/2014/02/super_bowl_2014_911_truther_says_he_snuck_into_metlefe_stadium.html#incart_river_default Old Lanyard and saying he was "late for work" got him past security. I'm amazed that those in the "Truther" movement think this was an amazing thing he did. "THAT WILL WAKE PEOPLE UP! MAKE PEOPLE INVESTIGATE THE TRUTH!. DUMB SHEEPLE WATCHING FOOTBALL!" It's bizarre that they legitimately seem to have no hobbies save for looking at old news highlights of 9/11. Like even Dale Gribble was a fan of "Sanford and Son". e: 2nd update. I guess he asked Jay Glazer (Sports Writer) and Deion Sanders the same question at a PC. http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2014/02/911-truther-crashed-mvp-ceremony-explains-asks-jay-glazer-911-take.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eZn187nErQ#t=31 FuzzySkinner fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Feb 3, 2014 |
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FuzzySkinner posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk-Q9GVvTc0 I'm sure there's a Pete Carrol joke in there somewhere. I just can't find it.
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Skeptoid posted a good quickie debunking the fake snow thing http://skeptoid.com/blog/2014/02/03/some-questions-about-the-fake-snow/ I like the list of questions, but anyone who would be spouting off about Chemtrail nanomachine snow would simply answer "because THEY want it that way" with THEY being Obama, illuminati, reptoids, jewish bankers etc. I was listening to the Blame it on outerspace episode on Montok project and, well, what a big ball of crazy. I love how because the people who came up with set up the conspiracy, that anyone who comes forward to add their own aspect to the story, can't be refuted because it would unravel the whole thing as a big lie. Its just crazy. I thought the Montok was just related to that so called Montok monster from a few years ago, but nope. Its about Aliens and time travel and the anti christ and child assassins trying to kill Jesus and only buttsex away from being an Robert Anton Wilson novel. Another thing I heard today was an entirely new part of the moon landing conspiracy. One of the people at NASA was Eyption, and he was involved with choosing landing sites, and not only that, his dad was a well known Egyptology, so therefor the Moon landing were based on the secret geometry of the pyramids. twistedmentat fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Feb 4, 2014 |
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twistedmentat posted:Skeptoid posted a good quickie debunking the fake snow thing Montauk project thing is crazy as hell, there's a bunch of stuff about it here(That site isn't the original source of any of it, just a repository of stuff on almost any conspiracy you can think of).
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twistedmentat posted:Another thing I heard today was an entirely new part of the moon landing conspiracy. One of the people at NASA was Eyption, and he was involved with choosing landing sites, and not only that, his dad was a well known Egyptology, so therefor the Moon landing were based on the secret geometry of the pyramids. You mean New Thebes??
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So what's the point of TWA Flight 800 conspiracy theories? I was watching a documentary about it since I remember when that happened. But I can't figure out why the FBI I would cover up a terrorist attack? (Note I do not believe it was a terrorist attack that brought down Flight 800) Also thank you to whoever first mentioned Blame it on Outerspace, it's hilarious.
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Hahaha, Stewart Air Force Base? That's the second or third dumbest thing I've read today. It hasn't been an AFB since 1970. There's an Air National Guard base there, but most of it is a civilian airport, and is clearly visible from the road. So what they're saying is that they flew 747's low over a residential area, with no one noticing (believe me, you notice when a plane is landing at Stewart), then switched out the passengers right next to a busy road during the morning rush hour, and no one noticed? What the gently caress. As for the dumbest thing I've read today, well, I had a run-in with a whackjob on the comment section for that Onion video where there's a bill being read that's half redacted. I know, I know, youtube comments, but I saw: quote:heard it years ago before Pres. Obama came on the floor...think it a joke all you want.my eyes have seen my ears have heard but facts still remain..there were rows of organic coffins along this off road in a town in Georgia.. Organic coffins? So, like, made out of natural materials? Made out of carbon? I doubted that's what they meant, though, so I asked what they were talking about, and got: quote:-.. Just as the word implies "organic" living coffins.designed to preserve live bodies in them.search past 5/7 yrs on ytube.coffins in Eatonton Ga.we saw them.groups of us saw them and men dressed in military armed escorted us off.they then closed the back roads to keep traffic out.we had to take long way home.seriously no joke. My minds eye has bn open every since. Now, I've heard the FEMA coffin poo poo before, but I couldn't help myself and kind of poked at them a little bit, to which they said: quote:Please ---- do not patronize or folly me. I'm not one for lies or deceit. I'm factual I shoot from the hips not my mouth.and come straight no chaser. I know what I saw and when I touched it, it felt alive or rather as one of the guys said I had a connection.so smile.. I'm telling u what I saw first hand and they were not boxes r crates. They were coffins live coffins. It's pretty interesting how "FEMA has coffins, death camp stuff will happen!" turned into "FEMA has living coffins!" That they let her touch for some reason. I couldn't find any more of the living coffin conspiracy related material, though, so has anyone else heard that one?
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KomradeX posted:So what's the point of TWA Flight 800 conspiracy theories? I was watching a documentary about it since I remember when that happened. But I can't figure out why the FBI I would cover up a terrorist attack? (Note I do not believe it was a terrorist attack that brought down Flight 800) Almost all of the conspiracy thought I've seen about TWA 800 claimed that it was an accidental (or not, dun dun dun!) shoot down by an American naval vessel. Though I've also seen one that said, not kidding, that it was hit by a meteorite.
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Yeah I've heard the idea that it was shot down by a Navy destroyer or something put forward before. I've also heard people say that terrorists using Stingers or other MANPADS shot it down. The "documentary" I watched never really choose which one it was, but it has a few of the eye witness saying that at least one "missile" came from the shore and they concluded that the explosion came from outside the plane. I was very disappointed with in the first 5 minutes when it outed itself with the conspiracy theories.
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I don't even know why they'd think that these hypothetical FEMA camps would bother with coffins or proper burial. As if the government is okay with herding people into extermination camps and executing them en masse, but incinerating the corpses or dumping them into mass graves is just too disrespectful.
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KomradeX posted:So what's the point of TWA Flight 800 conspiracy theories? I was watching a documentary about it since I remember when that happened. But I can't figure out why the FBI I would cover up a terrorist attack? (Note I do not believe it was a terrorist attack that brought down Flight 800) Can you get the shadow people episode to play? It just won't for me. And yea, others have said that the conspiracy is that a missile shot it down, either a stinger missile fired from the ground or a Navy ship off the coast. Why either of these things would be covered up. I remember at the time, people claimed that they were going to use it to justify war against a random middle eastern country for their oil. Thing is, they have explained why so many people say they saw a missile, because the aircraft broke apart just ahead of the wings, so the front fell off and the rest kept going up, and because of the speed of light, from a distance it looked like something what going up and hitting the plane. Why eyewitness testimony is often full of poo poo, but in conspiracy circles, as with cryptozoology, take every eyewitness account as factual and at face value. The FEMA coffins always amused me. They help when there is a disaster, and guess what happens when there is a disaster? People die! And what do you do with dead people? You put them in coffins! Oh lord what fresh hell on earth do we have when a goverment organization is prepared!? It's like "The goverment bought a million bullets...to use to exterminate white christian gun owners!" paranoia. You'd think a bunch of gun fetishists would know that in order to be ready to use your guns, you need to practice using them at a range, which requires ammo. Now the Gummyment has way more people and guns than you and the rest of the gun club put together (Hard to imagine, especially with Forrest's shed o'gun's) so it needs way more ammo to use while practicing. Now when You already have it in your mind that the goverment is going to come and take you away for being White Christian Straight American, you're brain interprets everything it does as furthering that goal.
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So like the coffins keep you alive, by themselves being alive? People who know the truth will be warehoused in paralysis, a waking sleep, buried alive (khan!). From time to time, Barry Soetoro and Ban-Ki Moon will tour the vaults and slide out a prepper's stasis coffin-drawer to mock them, or perhaps to harvest a portion of their life-energy. What I want to know is, doesn't abortion provide the globalists with sufficient life-energy?
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SedanChair posted:So like the coffins keep you alive, by themselves being alive? People who know the truth will be warehoused in paralysis, a waking sleep, buried alive (khan!). From time to time, Barry Soetoro and Ban-Ki Moon will tour the vaults and slide out a prepper's stasis coffin-drawer to mock them, or perhaps to harvest a portion of their life-energy. Prepper energy tastes better due to all the slim jims they eat.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Hahaha, Stewart Air Force Base? That's the second or third dumbest thing I've read today. It hasn't been an AFB since 1970. There's an Air National Guard base there, but most of it is a civilian airport, and is clearly visible from the road. So what they're saying is that they flew 747's low over a residential area, with no one noticing (believe me, you notice when a plane is landing at Stewart), then switched out the passengers right next to a busy road during the morning rush hour, and no one noticed? What the gently caress. You were probably conversing with someone who has a schizoid disorder.
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IRL this dude seems pretty bright, but holy gently caress does he fall for every conspiracy out there. I had just gotten done arguing with him about fluoridation when I see he posted this: 
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:IRL this dude seems pretty bright, but holy gently caress does he fall for every conspiracy out there. I had just gotten done arguing with him about fluoridation when I see he posted this: So that's what killed the Bounty Mutineers, Giants! Pictarian was the Island Fletcher Christian and those who followed him went to. All but one died, all the men that stayed with Blythe survived, even after being stuck in a rowboat for like a month.
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twistedmentat posted:So that's what killed the Bounty Mutineers, Giants! On a side note, 'Mutiny on the Bounty' is a great film on Netflix. Not to mention Fletcher Christian was the rear end in a top hat and Bligh was actually quite an accomplished captain and actually more lenient than other naval officers at the time and cared about the health and well-being of his crew. And when he was set adrift to basically die with the loyalists, what he did was pretty much the most amazing feat of seamanship. He traveled over four thousand loving miles in the 1700s with about a weeks worth of food and water, no charts, a compass and a boat so heavily loaded it was about a few inches above water. And the only casualty that Twisted Meat referenced was killed by natives when they stopped on an island to attempt to get more supplies, not from the journey itself.
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:IRL this dude seems pretty bright, but holy gently caress does he fall for every conspiracy out there. I had just gotten done arguing with him about fluoridation when I see he posted this: Just keep mythbusting on this stuff. I've had a lot of friends start falling for conspiracy theory crap, but over time I've managed to talk a lot of them back to sanity by just presenting evidence of why its wrong, but ALSO by showing them how I worked it out. This parts important because a lot of people DONT have the skills to work it out (A really easy one for the less brighter friends is simply to type in "<the name of the claim> SNOPES" into google.) and to try and present modes of thinking that innoculate against it. In my case most of my friends are leftist so simply presenting a coherent evidence based framework of interpretation of world events has been enough to get people to look at the bigger picture without panicking about hidden evildoers or whatever. Yeah some will never come around but most will , if they are not super committed to crazy. Otherwise , I dunno, block them? I still have a few friends with some pretty drat nutty beliefs, but I've made peace with the fact that at least its entertaining, and hey, better a madman than a fascist.
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Dapper Dan posted:One defining thing about conspiracy theories is that they are naturally a logical paradox: the government/organization that is concealing/orchestrated the act must be so competent to prevent any details leaking or the conspiracy going wrong in any minor way (such as every single person involved not being a complete sociopath), yet incompetent enough that they left clues that any outsider with a bare modicum of knowledge can pick up on. The irony though is , these theories also serve as a (very poor) attempt at resolving contradiction as well. At least in the marxist/structuralist sense, but often in the more literal sense of contradiction. Unfortunately by creating more questions than they answer, it just opens doors for more and more and more conspiracy theories until peoples thinking seem to be completely colored by them. At a certain point, once you believe anything, you'll start to believe everything.
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duck monster posted:The irony though is , these theories also serve as a (very poor) attempt at resolving contradiction as well. At least in the marxist/structuralist sense, but often in the more literal sense of contradiction. Unfortunately by creating more questions than they answer, it just opens doors for more and more and more conspiracy theories until peoples thinking seem to be completely colored by them. At a certain point, once you believe anything, you'll start to believe everything. There was actually a study on that, I'll see if I can find it, but people will often believe totally contradicting theories. In a study where they asked various different questions about the circumstances of Princess Diana's death, they would agree with mutually incompatible beliefs. The same person might simultaneously agree that MI-6 was in on it, terrorists were in on it, and that she intentionally faked her death and is still alive. Essentially after a time you believe just that SOMETHING must be wrong so you'll believe ANYTHING that backs up that assertion. http://www.livescience.com/18171-contradicting-conspiracy-theories-mistrust.html There's an article on it but I know I had the original paper. Edit: Original paper: http://www.academia.edu/1207098/Dead_and_alive_Beliefs_in_contradictory_conspiracy_theories RagnarokAngel fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Feb 8, 2014 |
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:IRL this dude seems pretty bright, but holy gently caress does he fall for every conspiracy out there. I had just gotten done arguing with him about fluoridation when I see he posted this: You'd think they could get basic facts right, like Pitcairn island not being part of New Zealand.
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A human heart posted:You'd think they could get basic facts right, like Pitcairn island not being part of New Zealand. ....Well that and there are no giant skeletons.
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duck monster posted:....Well that and there are no giant skeletons. Details, details...
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A human heart posted:You'd think they could get basic facts right, like Pitcairn island not being part of New Zealand. Its funny a lot of times these kind of things have these kinds of mistakes. Really basic factual errors are so common in fake news stories like this. Like above, how the "airbase" in a truther tale is actually a regular airport that is not hidden in anyway. I also enjoy bible based ones that quote a verse, and if you go to the verse in any bible translation its completely reworded or completely re written. I have seen "And god said to smite all men who lay with other men! Romans 2-13, then if you go to say, the KJV, that passage actually says "And Paul paid 1 denerii for a loaf of bread for lunch" and simply changing Caanaites to Childern of Amer in a bible conspiracy claiming the bible literally says America is the chosen land and white Americans are the true chosen people. And I should have mentioned when an RN ship arrived on Pictcarin about 10 years later, everyone who was part of the mutiny was dead, save one man. Many of them died when they push the Tahitian men they brough as slaves to far, others were killed by other Mutineers and at least one killed himself in a drunken stupor. Historians have been trying to correct the image of the Tyrant Blyhe for decades, but the Christian family apparently make lots of money from the legend so they fight against it. Something I've recently learned is a lot of Crytozoology that gets done these days is heavily supported by Creationists. They seem to think science is going to come crumbling down if someone finds big foot or a dinosaur in the congo. Rich Christians dump tons of money into hair brained expeditions looking for this stuff as if they can throw money at it and tear down evolution. twistedmentat fucked around with this message at 07:16 on Feb 8, 2014 |
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twistedmentat posted:Its funny a lot of times these kind of things have these kinds of mistakes. Really basic factual errors are so common in fake news stories like this. Like above, how the "airbase" in a truther tale is actually a regular airport that is not hidden in anyway. They also just seem to gloss over the utterly monstrous part of the theory where the people who aren't on the plane call their loved ones and pretend they're about to die.
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Elysiume posted:They're about to get killed by the government as part of the coverup so they are about to die! So why wouldn't they tell them "IT'S A COVERUP! ITS ALL FAKE!" You've got nothing left to lose. This is why a subset of truthers believe that they used advanced computer software to mimic their voices. Only problem being that they had no ability to hold an actual conversation with it.
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twistedmentat posted:Something I've recently learned is a lot of Crytozoology that gets done these days is heavily supported by Creationists. They seem to think science is going to come crumbling down if someone finds big foot or a dinosaur in the congo. Rich Christians dump tons of money into hair brained expeditions looking for this stuff as if they can throw money at it and tear down evolution. You shoulda seen them going nuts a few years ago when some people claimed to have "found" Noah's Ark and took pictures of some old building in a mountain. Shitloads of topics started on forums screaming "Noah's Ark confirmed!!!!!" which all went eerily silent when it was found to be another scam
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SocketWrench posted:You shoulda seen them going nuts a few years ago when some people claimed to have "found" Noah's Ark and took pictures of some old building in a mountain. Shitloads of topics started on forums screaming "Noah's Ark confirmed!!!!!" which all went eerily silent when it was found to be another scam I remember that. But no one could go up there because the Turkish government won't let anyone climb Mt Ararat, learly so Christians don't prove Noah's ark is up there and destroy Islam. I'm all for wealthy Christians blowing their money on stupid things, but the sad part is this is actually considered charity for tax purposes. muscles like this? posted:They also just seem to gloss over the utterly monstrous part of the theory where the people who aren't on the plane call their loved ones and pretend they're about to die. See, they were told if they told their families about what was really going on, their families would be killed! That's the thing with conspiracies, you need to have a crazy answer for everything, because as soon as you go "I don't know" then everything comes crashing down because conspiracies are literally a house of cards. It just goes deeper and deeper and deeper down the rabbit hole until you come out the other wend where crazy town is located.
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twistedmentat posted:Something I've recently learned is a lot of Crytozoology that gets done these days is heavily supported by Creationists. They seem to think science is going to come crumbling down if someone finds big foot or a dinosaur in the congo. Rich Christians dump tons of money into hair brained expeditions looking for this stuff as if they can throw money at it and tear down evolution. I have a friend who did her masters on cryptozoology, specifically around what ever happened to the tasmanian tiger. Fun thesis, spent time investigating claimed sightings around australia , X-files style. She became quite unhappy with strict darwinism and specifically certain aspects of how competition fits into the theory. Eventually she concluded the tasmanian tiger is indeed extinct, the last one died in a zoo as has been always known, and her theory about darwinism was wrong. She now has a beagle named "Darwin". Its very cute.
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