SpaceGoatFarts posted:

That was a great video, but I find it always completely crazy that sane individuals feel like it's a good idea to debate people believing in a modern religious dogma only pushed by the three following church bodies:
- Evangelical Reformed Presbyterian Church
- Lutheran Church Missouri Synod
- Seventh-Day Adventist Church

representing around 1% of the Christians worldwide. That means 99% of the Christians think that these people have some kind of delusion for still believing the earth is 6.000 years old. The Vatican doesn't even deny evolution.

Why would it be a good idea to debate deluded people? By definition no matter how many contradicting proofs you'll show them, they'll NEVER change their opinion. That's how delusion works.

It's like trying to discuss Islam with terrorists like they are some kind of authority. Makes no loving sense.

Fixed Expression posted:

Is this really a regular issue in your family?

Elfface posted:

Does that small 1% still get to decide what textbooks publish though? On account of them having enough political sway in one state, and the bookmakers not printing 50 different versions?

SpaceGoatFarts posted:

Certainly. I said 1% but it's still 1% worldwide (so actually much more compared to the population of the US).

I remember seeing a trailer for a documentary about US textbooks being basically chosen by Texas and a panel of people supervised by a guy who literally believes there were dinosaurs in the ark.

I'm not saying you don't have a serious problem with religious nuts in the US.

I'm saying no matter how long you debate a deluded person, you will NEVER make him change his mind. You are simply stuck with insane people and your only chance is to solve this at the root of evil, textbooks, like you said. I have no idea how you can do that since these fundamentalist lobbies are so powerful but debating them will certainly not change a thing, just giving them more visibility.

LeJackal posted:

After the pool was put in, our Newfie would flipflop between exhilaration and terror. On one paw, he loved swimming, on the other if my nieces or nephews acted like they were in distress or, god forbid dove under the water he would flip right the gently caress out and go into HERO DOG MODE and valiantly pull them to safety.

Combo posted:

Here's a guy asking to be punched, and someone finally obliges:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pebk8k0DHHg

Aaaand another

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3IhQRPLoF0

SpaceGoatFarts posted:

Certainly. I said 1% but it's still 1% worldwide (so actually much more compared to the population of the US).

I remember seeing a trailer for a documentary about US textbooks being basically chosen by Texas and a panel of people supervised by a guy who literally believes there were dinosaurs in the ark.

I'm not saying you don't have a serious problem with religious nuts in the US.

I'm saying no matter how long you debate a deluded person, you will NEVER make him change his mind. You are simply stuck with insane people and your only chance is to solve this at the root of evil, textbooks, like you said. I have no idea how you can do that since these fundamentalist lobbies are so powerful but debating them will certainly not change a thing, just giving them more visibility.

Shnag posted:

cat schadenfreude

Roobanguy posted:

This sounds hilarious and adorable.

kinmik posted:

I'm not quite so sure it is. My in-laws' Lab went nuts when we went in the pool without her. She'd jump a four foot fence to "rescue" us, then make sure she got her fair share of fun. Imagine a 60 pound weight being dropped on your head while swimming. Now imagine something twice that weight and size flopping on top of you. For my share of schadenfreude, she got me good on my back with her claws and snagged my hair and dragged me under.

TheSpiritFox posted:

This totally qualifies.

Stare-Out posted:

Having watched the debate today, I feel more like it's less Bill Nye winning and more Ken Ham losing spectacularly. It was agonizing and I guess qualifies as schadenfreude.

Shnag posted:

cat schadenfreude

Novum posted:

Agreed it was Ken Ham's debate to lose. Really dropped the ball on proving creationism.

LeJackal posted:

Pretty much. He was never actually trained in water rescue, so imagine 70 pounds of dog diving in blindly and grabbing hold of whatever limb he can find and desperately dragging you to the sunning deck. Its all blind stupid instinct and kinda scary for the kids, and they can get a scratched up by his claws when he swims. Though at least I don't have to worry about one of the kids drowning if we'd not around.

What is adorable is when the terrier will try to attack the fountains, and the Newfie will go "protect" him by just picking him up in his mouth and swimming him to the other side of the pool. They are that different in size.

Whatev posted:

Newfies are notorious for their bullshit heroics.

Saved, 1856

Fuckers act like they're so selfless, saving children and all. I see right through 'em.

Some Obvious Illuminati Plant posted:

Near this Spot
are deposited the Remains of one
who possessed Beauty without Vanity,
Strength without Insolence,
Courage without Ferosity,
and all the virtues of Man without his Vices.

This praise, which would be unmeaning Flattery
if inscribed over human Ashes,
is but a just tribute to the Memory of
BOATSWAIN, a DOG,
who was born in Newfoundland May 1803
and died at Newstead Nov. 18, 1808.

When some proud Son of Man returns to Earth,
Unknown to Glory, but upheld by Birth,
The sculptor’s art exhausts the pomp of woe,
And storied urns record who rests below.
When all is done, upon the Tomb is seen,
Not what he was, but what he should have been.
But the poor Dog, in life the firmest friend,
The first to welcome, foremost to defend,
Whose honest heart is still his Master’s own,
Who labours, fights, lives, breathes for him alone,
Unhonoured falls, unnoticed all his worth,
Denied in heaven the Soul he held on earth –
While man, vain insect! hopes to be forgiven,
And claims himself a sole exclusive heaven.

Oh man! thou feeble tenant of an hour,
Debased by slavery, or corrupt by power –
Who knows thee well must quit thee with disgust,
Degraded mass of animated dust!
Thy love is lust, thy friendship all a cheat,
Thy tongue hypocrisy, thy heart deceit!
By nature vile, ennobled but by name,
Each kindred brute might bid thee blush for shame.
Ye, who behold perchance this simple urn,
Pass on – it honours none you wish to mourn.
To mark a friend’s remains these stones arise;
I never knew but one -- and here he lies.

Rondette posted:

http://www.justbeforeimpact.com/

Rudi Starnberg posted:

Wait, you can get white newfoundlands?

Dad Jokes posted:

TheSpiritFox posted:

This totally qualifies.

Rondette posted:

There's some fun to be had from this site - http://www.justbeforeimpact.com/ - photos of Bad Things about to happen or happening

DontMockMySmock posted:

As much as I enjoy Ken Ham being shown up, polls like this are really meaningless unless you also poll the people before they watched the debate.

SpaceGoatFarts posted:

I'm saying no matter how long you debate a deluded person, you will NEVER make him change his mind.

DontMockMySmock posted:

As much as I enjoy Ken Ham being shown up, polls like this are really meaningless unless you also poll the people before they watched the debate.

TheSpiritFox posted:

:Edit:


And /r/Atheism probably

Shnag posted:

Piell posted:

It's far, far more than 1% in the US, it's actually about 1/3 of people who don't believe in evolution.

the last signal... posted:

"Two Idiots Jump From Roof onto a Table"

Really not sure what they were trying to accomplish here.

Preem Palver posted:

Unfortunately, it's more like 2/3. According to a Gallup poll in 2012, only 39% of Americans believe in evolution. Something like 1/4 believe that the sun rotates around the Earth.

And plenty of churches believe in creationism, even if it's not the denomination's official doctrine. I grew up an unaffiliated Baptist that constantly harped on complete and total creationism; the church fired a youth pastor once for offhandedly saying that maybe intelligent design was true. We also believed crazy poo poo like, "The Earth is perfectly placed in the universe by God. If it was shifted only a single foot in any direction in space, gravity would increase to the point that it would take the force of a tractor to move your arm." I'm not even sure how anyone over the age of five could believe that.

Shnag posted:

cat schadenfreude