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Rap posted:I think comp picks are a really stupid idea. In the era of salary caps and franchise tags it does seem a little silly. Teams that pass on their own free agents and avoid spending big money on new ones are also the teams that tend to have success. Why reward them more?
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Feb 9, 2014 04:26
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Because my team is cool and I want a sixth rounder to spend on a project QB.
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Feb 9, 2014 04:36
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Dion Bailey's draft stock seems to be plummeting, is there a reason for this? Tweener, kinda slow. Don't trust anything till after the combine, though.
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Feb 9, 2014 05:26
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Michael Sam, DE out of Missouri, just came out of the closet.
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Feb 10, 2014 02:11
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Parmesan Basil posted:Michael Sam, DE out of Missouri, just came out of the closet. 
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Feb 10, 2014 02:13
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gently caress it, draft him Chiefs.
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Feb 10, 2014 02:15
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Of course draft him because he's gonna be a decent edge rusher as long as you don't ask him to play 3-4 OLB. Him being gay should have zero impact on him as a prospect or the evaluation process. It probably will and I feel sorry for the guy because he's either gonna get overdrafted and be a bust or drop for stupid meathead reasons.
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Feb 10, 2014 02:21
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Doltos posted:Of course draft him because he's gonna be a decent edge rusher as long as you don't ask him to play 3-4 OLB. Him being gay should have zero impact on him as a prospect or the evaluation process. It shouldn't, but it will.
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Feb 10, 2014 02:23
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Doltos posted:It probably will and I feel sorry for the guy because he's either gonna get overdrafted and be a bust or drop for stupid meathead reasons. I hadn't even considered this as a possibility. I kind of see the idea but I have a hard time imagining it happening.
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Feb 10, 2014 02:27
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Grittybeard posted:I hadn't even considered this as a possibility. I kind of see the idea but I have a hard time imagining it happening. He's a third/fourth rounder after his performance at the senior bowl. Maybe late second, I dunno if people like his burst enough to forgive how stiff he is. It definitely hurt him when the senior bowl coaches worked him out in the 3-4. I could see him doing poorly in the agility drills and run a slow 40 which would stick him as the typical late second day athlete pick but some team may grab him in the second for a feel good story. Then if he sucks people are gonna do hurr hurr gay stories for the next fifteen years.
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Feb 10, 2014 02:34
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@dpbrugler: I haven't talked w/ one NFL scout/analyst who thinks Sam is a top-100 guy so if/when he's available on day 3, this news isn't the reason why The tweet immediately prior to that is Brugler praising Sam for having the respect of his college teammates, so I'd like to think that isn't him backdoor editorializing.
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Feb 10, 2014 02:40
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I had no idea his stock had dropped that much, I need to pay more attention to the Senior Bowl.
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Feb 10, 2014 02:45
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Grozz Nuy posted:@dpbrugler: I haven't talked w/ one NFL scout/analyst who thinks Sam is a top-100 guy so if/when he's available on day 3, this news isn't the reason why Exactly. This is a big thing since he is athletic enough to get drafted so that will make him the first openly gay player in the NFL. It's new territory and frankly speaking I cannot predict how NFL locker rooms would react to it. I hope the react positively but the point is this news will definitely influence his draft stock for the good or the bad.
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Feb 10, 2014 02:45
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Doltos posted:Exactly. This is a big thing since he is athletic enough to get drafted so that will make him the first openly gay player in the NFL. It's new territory and frankly speaking I cannot predict how NFL locker rooms would react to it. I hope the react positively but the point is this news will definitely influence his draft stock for the good or the bad. I can't speak for every team, but Houston's locker room would be pretty forgiving after years of Barwin's influence there and Foster still around. Watt (being Captain fuckin' America) would hopefully be OK, and that would probably influence fans the most. Doesn't Houston have an openly gay mayor, as well? EDIT: DeAndre Hopkins has a gay sister, as well. bhsman fucked around with this message at 03:30 on Feb 10, 2014 |
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Feb 10, 2014 03:01
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There was a team that had an openly racist player and an openly dog fighting player, and the team still came together and made the playoffs, so I don't think the reaction in the locker room is going to be that big a deal regardless of where he goes, aside from maybe a couple of dudes here or there that take some time getting used to it.
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Feb 10, 2014 03:54
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Volkerball posted:There was a team that had an openly racist player and an openly dog fighting player, and the team still came together and made the playoffs, so I don't think the reaction in the locker room is going to be that big a deal regardless of where he goes, aside from maybe a couple of dudes here or there that take some time getting used to it. Well the other big thing is that no matter what the team drafting him is breaking the barrier which is a huge moment in the LBGT community. This will bring media attention for the good or the bad. This makes a GM's decision tough since no company likes media scrutiny. It's unforged territory. It will influence his draft stock but I hope he's judged as a football player independent from his sexual orientation entirely.
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Feb 10, 2014 04:05
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I don't have ESPN Insider, but where was Michael Sam ranked at for them?
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Feb 10, 2014 04:18
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Chichevache posted:I don't have ESPN Insider, but where was Michael Sam ranked at for them? 3rd-4th. That seems about right to me.
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Feb 10, 2014 05:13
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bewbies posted:3rd-4th. That seems about right to me. Seemed like the general consensus among the draftniks I follow on Twitter as well. Fringe second day guy before this news, but after the combine and all the interviews who knows.
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Feb 10, 2014 05:44
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bhsman posted:I can't speak for every team, but Houston's locker room would be pretty forgiving after years of Barwin's influence there and Foster still around. Watt (being Captain fuckin' America) would hopefully be OK, and that would probably influence fans the most. Our gay mayor just got gay married.
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Feb 10, 2014 07:12
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Arschlochkind posted:Our gay mayor just got gay married. Welp, there you go. 
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Feb 10, 2014 07:13
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Make no mistake, this is still the south and still Texas. The city would poo poo itself if the team drafted an openly gay player. Reminder that the guy from that picture with the "congress = slave owner/taxpayer = niggar" sign lives in Houston And yes Mayor Parker gets a lot of poo poo for being gay
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Feb 10, 2014 09:01
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I wonder if some coach somewhere will think that gay dudes handle men better and openly recruits gay his for that reason Anything for an advantage kind of thing
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Feb 10, 2014 14:18
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ZenVulgarity posted:I wonder if some coach somewhere will think that gay dudes handle men better and openly recruits gay his for that reason Someone else mentioned this, but however this dudes career shapes out is going to be what all future openly gay prospects will be judged against. Just like black QB's and white receivers, they are going to have to break the cycle of gay draft busts, gay mediocre contributors, or live up to the expectations of being a gay over-achiever. From completely outside the social aspect of all of this, I desperately hope this dude becomes a perennial pro bowler just to shake the foundation of what gayness in sports is perceived as. "I think he's worth a 4th. Oh wait, he's openly gay? Hmmmm, maybe we should get him in the second just to be sure no one else makes a move on him." Edit: Always draft the gay SEC guy Volkerball fucked around with this message at 14:30 on Feb 10, 2014 |
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Feb 10, 2014 14:26
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I don't know how serious this discussion is, but I highly doubt that being gay will ever be considered an advantage by scouts/coaches. Michael Sam could be the next Bruce Smith and people will still think "Wow, it's amazing that he was that good while being gay." As long as gayness is associated with femininity by homophobes, nobody is going to look at it as an advantage in a player.
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Feb 10, 2014 16:03
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Volkerball posted:Someone else mentioned this, but however this dudes career shapes out is going to be what all future openly gay prospects will be judged against. Just like black QB's and white receivers, they are going to have to break the cycle of gay draft busts, gay mediocre contributors, or live up to the expectations of being a gay over-achiever. From completely outside the social aspect of all of this, I desperately hope this dude becomes a perennial pro bowler just to shake the foundation of what gayness in sports is perceived as. "I think he's worth a 4th. Oh wait, he's openly gay? Hmmmm, maybe we should get him in the second just to be sure no one else makes a move on him." I don't know man. I'm still not comfortable with my team fielding a white receiver. Maybe some other team could do it, but I don't want that distraction in the Seattle locker room.
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Feb 10, 2014 16:14
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Interesting match up today. You've got Kerry Collins riding the wave of emotion from his two come from behind victories but he faces a fearsome presence from A. Smith, the pass rush specialist from Missouri drafted in the third round. First openly gay player ever drafted in the nfl. Collins is also one of the first openly racist and bigoted players in the nfl so it should be one hell of a matchup. I don't think Kerry will appreciate Smith trying to "get him in the sack" so to speak. WAP!!' *insert picture of berman*
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Feb 10, 2014 16:16
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Reggie White was the first openly racist and openly biggoted player, but he did eventually change his tune before his death.
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Feb 10, 2014 16:54
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I highly doubt Reggie White was the first openly racist or openly bigoted person in the NFL. My evidence is the time period between the dawn of history and 1995ish.
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Feb 10, 2014 16:56
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The first openly bigoted player was probably whoever created this dumb sport we love.
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Feb 10, 2014 16:57
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I know. I'm just messin
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Feb 10, 2014 16:58
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Hell, the NFL's old enough they probably had some dudes that really loving hated the Irish.
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Feb 10, 2014 16:58
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Part of the reason Jim Thorpe was so popular was that it was seen as a weird sideshow that an Indian could play football so well.
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Feb 10, 2014 17:00
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Kalli posted:Hell, the NFL's old enough they probably had some dudes that really loving hated the Irish. I remember reading/hearing about Vince Lombardi being of Italian descent was actually a big deal when he started coaching
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Feb 10, 2014 17:00
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TheChirurgeon posted:I remember reading/hearing about Vince Lombardi being of Italian descent was actually a big deal when he started coaching Most racially fueled prejudice against the Italians and Irish were actually religiously fueled hatred between Catholics and Protestants. Same basic idea that people thought JFK would hand over the reigns of government to the pope. Lombardi had it rough until he won all the loving time.
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Feb 10, 2014 17:03
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Kalli posted:Hell, the NFL's old enough they probably had some dudes that really loving hated the Irish. I still hate the (Fightin') Irish actually
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Feb 10, 2014 17:28
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smuggler posted:Reggie White was the first openly racist and openly biggoted player, but he did eventually change his tune before his death. Nah, he was just a bible thumping ignoramus but that kind of goes hand in hand.
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Feb 10, 2014 17:50
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Hey guys small request but if we could keep Michael Sam talk to the other thread that would be great. There are many prospects out there and we're approaching a time where it's significant to start discussing them to prepare for the combine. If you want to discuss him as a prospect that's fine but I feel any social issues should be discussed over in that other thread to keep them from overlapping here.
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Feb 10, 2014 18:12
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I don't think it's really going to hurt anything to have a little Michael Sam discussion in here, there's not much going on in this thread anyway until the combine and this is obviously pretty big news. It seems like everything has been about his draft stock so far anyway and how the announcement will affect it
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