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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Yeah that was a contender for the worst match I've ever seen, and that includes all the poo poo I've seen in Botchamania. David Flair looks like he doesn't even realize he's on camera. Amazing. Fun Fact: David became WCW United States Champion less than 2 months after that match. pathetic little tramp posted:Hahahaha holy poo poo, were all of his matches that cringe-inducing to watch? I love how the crowd pops for Arn Anderson in a "jesus christ someone who knows what he's doing" way. He became.......slightly less unwatchable as part of his trio with Crowbar and Daffney a year later.
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I have a theory that Daffney is still out there doing Apartment Wrestling (or whatever Aloisa is up to). There was a rumor on PWTorch that Awesome Kong had gone back to that.
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David Flair went on to wrestle in OVW and a few WWE dark matches, but I've never seen any of it (besides the one-off, two-minute job to Undertaker).
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Halloween Jack posted:David Flair went on to wrestle in OVW and a few WWE dark matches, but I've never seen any of it (besides the one-off, two-minute job to Undertaker). He was pretty ate up with drug probs at that point IIRC.
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F4W podcast with Lance Storm has a quick look at the expanded Death of WCW. There's a rundown of a horrible Russo worked shoot match from 2000. Goldberg sandbags Nash on the power and the announcers say he wouldn't go up for the move and was screwing up the finish. Steiner takes the power bomb and the announcers praise him for being a professional and going up for the move. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3S48HdUHd0
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:F4W podcast with Lance Storm has a quick look at the expanded Death of WCW. There's a rundown of a horrible Russo worked shoot match from 2000. Which lead to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cZtuwjdPJU
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coconono posted:He was pretty ate up with drug probs at that point IIRC.
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I probably won't be around to hype this up tomorrow so I am going to post this now, trying not to post too much. If you are into everything that made WCW great, the cruiserweights, the nWo angle and the trainwreck quality, you seriously need to pay attention to the Tuesday Nitros. This week the first episode is full of great cruiserweight match ups while the second episode has one of the most infamous segments in WCW history: Roddy Piper introduces his Uncensored team. The only real comparison is the Mick Foley: This is Your Life segment in terms of being a complete and utter trainwreck. The latter is obviously more famous and looked at more fondly, but at their core they are the same kind of thing. On top of that the Macho Man has just ditched Sting and joined the nWo while DDP is making the Diamond Cutter into the hottest thing in wrestling, so you have an idea of what is about to go down. I really hope this stuff generates some discussion because I love this period so much.
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I wasn't going to be around tomorrow night, so you made me go look it up. I'm 1 minute in and Schiavone says "The WCW Board of Directors has sanctioned Eric Bischoff to bring a team to Uncensored...". Wasn't Uncensored's entire deal as a PPV being unsanctioned by the Board of Directors? 
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dsriggs posted:Which lead to this: I don't remember that promo, but I remember that I quit watching WCW sometime during this period. I like to analyze things to their core, so the most basic thing I love about wrestling is that it's incredibly fun to watch. WCW in 2000 wasn't fun at all.
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Feb 10, 2014 14:13
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Did WCW have writers in the 90s or did the boys just pitch their idea to whoever was in charge and run with it?
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Bigass Moth posted:Did WCW have writers in the 90s or did the boys just pitch their idea to whoever was in charge and run with it? They had some writers in the late 90's, including Bob Mould, lead singer of Husker Du (he even thanked both Kevin Nash and Kevin Sullivan on a solo album he recorded afterwards). Prior to that, there was a head booker (Dusty, Flair, and Sullivan all had the book at points, with Terry Taylor, Jim Ross and Terry Funk all pitching in at one point or another). However, Hogan had creative control. So that limited them a lot.
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I wonder what Hogan booking would look like if the only rule was he never appeared on screen.
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greatn posted:I wonder what Hogan booking would look like if the only rule was he never appeared on screen. He'd just push his friends instead.
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Probably not good since we wouldn't get to see the largest arms in the world.
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greatn posted:I wonder what Hogan booking would look like if the only rule was he never appeared on screen.
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Feb 10, 2014 15:19
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Was Hogan the first wrestler to get that much creative control in an organization? Is that something that has happened since?
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haljordan posted:Was Hogan the first wrestler to get that much creative control in an organization? Is that something that has happened since? He probably had comparable control with his TNA deal. In the WWE, I think Vince would like to avoid the issue he had with Bret, so I think now if people ask for creative control, he probably has it down as "input".
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Feb 10, 2014 15:24
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El Gallinero Gros posted:He probably had comparable control with his TNA deal. In the WWE, I think Vince would like to avoid the issue he had with Bret, so I think now if people ask for creative control, he probably has it down as "input". But Hogan had the right to say "I'm not doing this angle" or "gently caress that, here's how this match is gonna end", right? Yea that doesn't seem like a recipe for total disaster or anything.
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Feb 10, 2014 15:37
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haljordan posted:But Hogan had the right to say "I'm not doing this angle" or "gently caress that, here's how this match is gonna end", right? Yea that doesn't seem like a recipe for total disaster or anything. Pretty much, yeah.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:They had some writers in the late 90's, including Bob Mould, lead singer of Husker Du (he even thanked both Kevin Nash and Kevin Sullivan on a solo album he recorded afterwards). What did Wayne from the Wonder Years do?
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Feb 10, 2014 15:43
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Red posted:What did Wayne from the Wonder Years do? I think he was a producer, actually.
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haljordan posted:Was Hogan the first wrestler to get that much creative control in an organization? Is that something that has happened since?
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Halloween Jack posted:Well, you had territories where the owner was also a working wrestler. Say what you will about Hogan but he at least wasn't pushing himself as champ at age 55 like old Gagne.
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Feb 10, 2014 16:07
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pathetic little tramp posted:Say what you will about Hogan but he at least wasn't pushing himself as champ at age 55 like old Gagne. Hulk Hogan was 50 years old during his last world championship, actually.
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Feb 10, 2014 16:12
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Actually Hulk Hogan should have won the title in TNA last year because it would have been the most interesting thing they could have done with the main event scene.
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pathetic little tramp posted:Say what you will about Hogan but he at least wasn't pushing himself as champ at age 55 like old Gagne. Times like this, I wish someone independent would do a documentary on the AWA/Gagne family. I haven't watched the WWE compilation/doc, but I don't know that I have any interest in watching the same people from every WWE doc give out pre-approved opinions. Then again, now and then, they let the guys go - I was surprised how freely Bischoff/Hayes/etc. complained about Luger on that one Roundtable, then they made fun of Foley when he said he liked him. "Lex let Mick use his gym for free, of course he's going to say he likes him!"
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Pinstripe Hourglass posted:Hulk Hogan was 50 years old during his last world championship, actually. Was that his WWE run? That was equally Vince trying to capitalize on crowd reactions, as much as it was Hulkster saying "one more run, brother". Like, if Hogan was getting lukewarm reactions I doubt he would have gotten that run.
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Red posted:What did Wayne from the Wonder Years do? Hr was an producer and PR guy. The only writing thing I can remember that he gets some credit for is coming up with the LWO.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Pretty much, yeah. Did anyone have recourse, for example if they don't like Hogan's ending or having to work with the guy in the first place can they just say they aren't doing it (while risking the ire of promoters) or did creative control give him carte blanche to micromanage the entire roster with or without their agreement? I only ask because I did read that they really wanted Jericho for the nWo and he wasn't interested, and we all saw how that ended up.
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haljordan posted:Was Hogan the first wrestler to get that much creative control in an organization? Is that something that has happened since? I would imagine Andre had some sort of creative control anywhere he went.
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Bigass Moth posted:Probably not good since we wouldn't get to see the largest arms in the world. Why? What was Hogan's beef with Scott Steiner?
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Feb 10, 2014 18:14
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Bigass Moth posted:I would imagine Andre had some sort of creative control anywhere he went. Yes, his creative control was "gently caress you I'm Andre"
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ZDar Fan posted:Why? What was Hogan's beef with Scott Steiner? Ah, I think I see your confusion. What he meant to say was, "Probably not good since we wouldn't get to see the largest arms in the world, brother."
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Q_res posted:Ah, I think I see your confusion. What he meant to say was, "Probably not good since we wouldn't get to see the largest arms in the world, brother." As opposed to "PEAKS ON TOP OF PEAKS CURLS FOR THE GIRLS HUH"
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Feb 10, 2014 18:39
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Scott Steiner, in the later years of WCW, had effective creative control because everyone backstage was terrified of him. Rightly.
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He still put his brother Rick over. That was a fun match with ridiculous guest referee buff bagwell shenanigans.
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haljordan posted:Was Hogan the first wrestler to get that much creative control in an organization? Is that something that has happened since? Jeff Jarrett in TNA. Triple H since he married Steph. These are almost plain old nepotism, though.
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Zack_Gochuck posted:Jeff Jarrett in TNA. Triple H since he married Steph. These are almost plain old nepotism, though. IIRC Kevin Nash had some sort of creative control in his later WCW contracts. No idea if it was Hogan-level though.
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Angular Landbury posted:IIRC Kevin Nash had some sort of creative control in his later WCW contracts. No idea if it was Hogan-level though. I don't think he had a creative control clause, he was just booker for a while so he used it to put himself over.
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