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How much if the emperor is still alive? Does he know he's a crippled invalid? Is he trapped in his own mind or something?
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Aziraphale posted:How much if the emperor is still alive? Does he know he's a crippled invalid? Is he trapped in his own mind or something? He's fully conscious and self-aware of his condition but completely physically disabled IIRC.
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Feb 9, 2014 02:54
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That is a pretty cool artwork. I'd like to see a lot more since Big E pics aren't really that common. Anyone have a bunch they can post?
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Feb 9, 2014 03:40
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    Bad sources, but still, there you go. It's heavily implied that the Emperor is Assyrian or Mesopotamian, more broadly, so that explains his facial features. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Feb 9, 2014 03:48
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The emperor is full conscious? I don't think I've ever heard that before. Where is that stated?
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Feb 9, 2014 06:40
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Demon Of The Fall posted:The emperor is full conscious? I don't think I've ever heard that before. Where is that stated? "Though he is no longer responsive to external stimuli, the Emperor still lies at the very heart of the Imperium's continued existence. Although he cannot be directly involved in the day-to-day running of humanity's galactic government, his existence on the Golden Throne is vital to sustaining the Imperium, since his powerful mind's presence in the Immaterium maintains and directs the Astronomican, the psychic beacon that makes possible faster-than-light Warp travel and is vital to Imperial shipping, transportation, commerce and communication. He is said to guide his race through the psychically-reactive divination tool known as the Emperor's Tarot, which select psykers can consult to gain a glimpse of the future and the Emperor's will. He is also said to constantly battle the Chaos Gods in the Warp and prevent their further intrusion upon the material universe. His mind must remain vigilant at all times throughout the entire Imperium to safeguard the human race and to offer his protection to the faithful. Above all else, it is Mankind's collective belief in the Emperor's divinity that serves as humanity's greatest protection from Chaos and the other hideous dangers that plague the galaxy. As the Imperial Creed has taught for over 10,000 standard years, the Emperor protects... " http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Emperor_of_Mankind He's fully conscious and his mind is perfectly normal - like it was before - but he's physically disabled and can't respond to anything, basically. "It is said that the Emperor's existence is one of endless pain and suffering, and that it is only his utter devotion to the human race that keeps him from accepting the death he now desperately longs to embrace." It's heavily implied throughout this article and in official lore that he's conscious.
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Feb 9, 2014 06:54
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Noctis Horrendae posted:"Though he is no longer responsive to external stimuli, the Emperor still lies at the very heart of the Imperium's continued existence. Although he cannot be directly involved in the day-to-day running of humanity's galactic government, his existence on the Golden Throne is vital to sustaining the Imperium, since his powerful mind's presence in the Immaterium maintains and directs the Astronomican, the psychic beacon that makes possible faster-than-light Warp travel and is vital to Imperial shipping, transportation, commerce and communication. He is said to guide his race through the psychically-reactive divination tool known as the Emperor's Tarot, which select psykers can consult to gain a glimpse of the future and the Emperor's will. He is also said to constantly battle the Chaos Gods in the Warp and prevent their further intrusion upon the material universe. His mind must remain vigilant at all times throughout the entire Imperium to safeguard the human race and to offer his protection to the faithful. Above all else, it is Mankind's collective belief in the Emperor's divinity that serves as humanity's greatest protection from Chaos and the other hideous dangers that plague the galaxy. As the Imperial Creed has taught for over 10,000 standard years, the Emperor protects... " I've always interpreted it as totally checked out - you could scream and shout and wage a full-scale war right in front of him, but unless it causes some serious warp disturbances he won't realize you are there. Not that it's at all possible to get close to him, anyway.
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Feb 9, 2014 09:56
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It's very difficult to parse out 'actually true in-world' from 'actually rumoured in-world' from 'outright propaganda in-world' from 'myth in-world' especially WRT something as ancient and highly religiously significant at the Emperor on the Throne. I've seen implications through my time with 40k of everything from barely the tiniest scrap of him still alive to 'fully conscious, I have no mouth and I must scream' to 'actually secretly dead but his body is powerful enough to power the Throne' to 'the astronomican is an after-effect, they're killing those psykers in order to power the Throne and prevent a full-scale Daemon invasion of Terra'. There's a vast amount of interpretation in it.
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Feb 9, 2014 11:18
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If they do another of those Short story Heresy books I wouldn't mind one that covers when the Salamanders were driven to the cusp of collapse before they found Vulkan. I have to wonder what would take a prefounding legion to near destruction. Early encounter with Necrons or Nids perhaps? Maybe pre-Tau Empire?
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Feb 9, 2014 11:49
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The Necrons, Nids and Tau were not around during the HH. My personal favoritte image of the Emperor: 
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Feb 9, 2014 12:10
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I just read Dead Men Walking, and I liked it, but...I was supposed to be rooting for the Necrons, right? The author seemed to veer between portraying the Death Korps as horrible people and praising their virtues in an unconvincing way. It was the same way with the main character-the author seemed to want to portray him as a pretty worthless person in his former life, but a god damned hero once he joined the Guard. The last chapter especially, about him being a hero and marching to (almost certainly) his pointless death for all his friends, seemed too positive. Either the author is deliberately being more nuanced than I give him credit for, or else writing bolter-porn has seriously screwed up his values...anybody know which?
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Feb 9, 2014 15:18
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EyeRChris posted:I have to wonder what would take a prefounding legion to near destruction. Early encounter with Necrons or Nids perhaps? Maybe pre-Tau Empire? Horrific mutations and warp-taint. Magnus' Thousand Sons were so named because there were about a thousand of them left when he got them.
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Feb 9, 2014 15:34
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von Metternich posted:I just read Dead Men Walking, and I liked it, but...I was supposed to be rooting for the Necrons, right? The author seemed to veer between portraying the Death Korps as horrible people and praising their virtues in an unconvincing way. It was the same way with the main character-the author seemed to want to portray him as a pretty worthless person in his former life, but a god damned hero once he joined the Guard. The last chapter especially, about him being a hero and marching to (almost certainly) his pointless death for all his friends, seemed too positive. Either the author is deliberately being more nuanced than I give him credit for, or else writing bolter-porn has seriously screwed up his values...anybody know which? It's been a couple of years since I read the book but I went with the nuanced way of looking at it. The training section went so far out of its way to hammer in the fact that they were stripping the humanity away and turning the recruits into machines. A kind of "we make monsters to fight monsters" thing, I guess.
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Feb 9, 2014 16:00
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Khizan posted:Horrific mutations and warp-taint. Magnus' Thousand Sons were so named because there were about a thousand of them left when he got them. Bunch of tainted heretics. Should have purged that last thousand.
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Feb 9, 2014 17:50
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thespaceinvader posted:It's very difficult to parse out 'actually true in-world' from 'actually rumoured in-world' from 'outright propaganda in-world' from 'myth in-world' especially WRT something as ancient and highly religiously significant at the Emperor on the Throne. IIRC the only book to cover the Emperor's mind post-HH was The Inquistion War, in which the main character briefly talks to the Emperor who has become schizophrenic and both endorses and condemns the conspiracy he is trying to fight. The book also has Squats though. von Metternich posted:I just read Dead Men Walking, and I liked it, but...I was supposed to be rooting for the Necrons, right? The author seemed to veer between portraying the Death Korps as horrible people and praising their virtues in an unconvincing way. It was the same way with the main character-the author seemed to want to portray him as a pretty worthless person in his former life, but a god damned hero once he joined the Guard. The last chapter especially, about him being a hero and marching to (almost certainly) his pointless death for all his friends, seemed too positive. Either the author is deliberately being more nuanced than I give him credit for, or else writing bolter-porn has seriously screwed up his values...anybody know which? I like the book because it really hammered home how the Death Korp were pretty much just as bad as the Necrons in every way.
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Feb 9, 2014 20:25
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Nothing about that excerpts really implies 'consciousness' as we understand it.
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Feb 9, 2014 21:00
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Improbable Lobster posted:IIRC the only book to cover the Emperor's mind post-HH was The Inquistion War, in which the main character briefly talks to the Emperor who has become schizophrenic and both endorses and condemns the conspiracy he is trying to fight. This is the excerpt from that scene. It's a bit silly, but I love it nonetheless. quote:‘WE ARE CURIOUS,’ came a mighty, anguished thought which itself transcended time. The Emperor is awake and aware, just not on any level we understand. But "The Inquisition War" was the very first book I read of 40K, and I don't regret it. It's corny, over the top grim dark, but a hell of a lot of fun.
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Feb 10, 2014 03:51
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EyeRChris posted:If they do another of those Short story Heresy books I wouldn't mind one that covers when the Salamanders were driven to the cusp of collapse before they found Vulkan. I have to wonder what would take a prefounding legion to near destruction. Early encounter with Necrons or Nids perhaps? Maybe pre-Tau Empire? This is actually discussed in one of the Forge World Horus Heresy books. if I remember it right, it was some sort of bizarre final battle for earth with enormous underground machines and poo poo
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Feb 10, 2014 03:55
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^^^^ Yeah but... Inquisition War. The retcon belt sanders have not been kind to it. Baron Bifford posted:I think the Death Guards' lips have all melted off. von Metternich posted:I just read Dead Men Walking, and I liked it, but...I was supposed to be rooting for the Necrons, right? The author seemed to veer between portraying the Death Korps as horrible people and praising their virtues in an unconvincing way. It was the same way with the main character-the author seemed to want to portray him as a pretty worthless person in his former life, but a god damned hero once he joined the Guard. The last chapter especially, about him being a hero and marching to (almost certainly) his pointless death for all his friends, seemed too positive. Either the author is deliberately being more nuanced than I give him credit for, or else writing bolter-porn has seriously screwed up his values...anybody know which?
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Feb 10, 2014 03:58
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Baron Bifford posted:The Necrons, Nids and Tau were not around during the HH. I'd like to think that the Megarachnids were part of a first generation Hive Fleet that was just too crap to do anything in particular.
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Feb 10, 2014 14:02
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Baron Bifford posted:How many people know the Emperor's true condition, anyway? I can't imagine anyone would know aside from the Custodians. Astropaths and navigators might see the wane in the warp but I don't think there is really anyone that would be allowed access to meet face to face.
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Feb 10, 2014 14:26
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Bequin in Pariah noted that Ravenor resembled the Emperor in that he was a cripple on life support. She knew. Though I've heard Dan Abnett likes to be a little loose with the setting.
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Feb 10, 2014 16:04
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Baron Bifford posted:Bequin in Pariah noted that Ravenor resembled the Emperor in that he was a cripple on life support. She knew. Bequin was also raised by anti-Imperium heretics, though.
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Feb 10, 2014 16:15
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Im 3/4 of the way through ADBs Grey Knights book (name escapes me) and I love it. It's well written and the characters are great. Its a really good novel. I have one major complaint though; it only took 109 knights to banish Angron on Armageddon? I thought it was an entire chapter, but apparently its been retconned? Thats kind of bullshit honestly, 109 knights to banish Angron, a son of the emperor, primarch leader of the XII legion world eaters, and chosen if Khorne? And it only took 109? How disappointing.
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Feb 10, 2014 16:38
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Waroduce posted:Im 3/4 of the way through ADBs Grey Knights book (name escapes me) and I love it. It's well written and the characters are great. Its a really good novel. I have one major complaint though; it only took 109 knights to banish Angron on Armageddon? I thought it was an entire chapter, but apparently its been retconned? Thats kind of bullshit honestly, 109 knights to banish Angron, a son of the emperor, primarch leader of the XII legion world eaters, and chosen if Khorne? And it only took 109? How disappointing. 109 Grey Knight Terminators is a fuckload of Grey Knights
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Feb 10, 2014 16:46
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Waroduce posted:Im 3/4 of the way through ADBs Grey Knights book (name escapes me) and I love it. It's well written and the characters are great. Its a really good novel. I have one major complaint though; it only took 109 knights to banish Angron on Armageddon? I thought it was an entire chapter, but apparently its been retconned? Thats kind of bullshit honestly, 109 knights to banish Angron, a son of the emperor, primarch leader of the XII legion world eaters, and chosen if Khorne? And it only took 109? How disappointing.
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Feb 10, 2014 16:57
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Arquinsiel posted:At the time the number was set, that WAS the whole chapter. How many low-level psykers that have what it takes to be immune to Daemon poo poo AND who are able to work with their squadmates to function as one psyker do you think there are? Not enough  Blood For The Blood God
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Feb 10, 2014 17:01
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Waroduce posted:Not enough To be fair there were like two survivors. The Black Blade breaking is one of the most  things in all of 40k.
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Feb 10, 2014 17:20
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VanSandman posted:To be fair there were like two survivors. The Black Blade breaking is one of the most It cannot match Bjorn talking down to an Inquisitor.
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Feb 10, 2014 18:22
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Look, if you want to kill Grey Knights, you don't send a daemon primarch to do the job. That's what Logan Grimnar is for.
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Feb 10, 2014 18:26
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Baron Bifford posted:It cannot match Bjorn talking down to an Inquisitor. Obligatory where is this/ can you post excerpt
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Feb 10, 2014 18:32
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Waroduce posted:Obligatory where is this/ can you post excerpt It's in The Emperor's Gift. If you're still reading it it'll be a spoiler, aside from the fact that Bjorn shows up also being a spoiler I guess.
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Feb 10, 2014 18:33
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Even though I haven't read it yet, I imagine it went something like "I met the Emperor. The Emperor was a friend of mine. You sir, are no Emperor."
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Feb 10, 2014 19:28
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Actually, it went more like this: Bjorn is the only guy in the Imperium who remembers the Emperor didn't want religion. Baron Bifford fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Feb 10, 2014 |
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Feb 10, 2014 21:26
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Baron Bifford posted:Actually, it went more like this: The Emperor did want religion, but he hid the fact. He tore down all the old gods and denied his own divinity because, when people gazed upon his majesty and realized he was a god of their own volition, they were all the more devoted for it.
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Feb 10, 2014 21:48
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I must read the novel where the Emperor admits that.
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Feb 10, 2014 22:08
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Baron Bifford posted:I must read the novel where the Emperor admits that. It's titled
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Feb 10, 2014 22:23
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FrozenDorf posted:The Emperor did want religion, but he hid the fact. He tore down all the old gods and denied his own divinity because, when people gazed upon his majesty and realized he was a god of their own volition, they were all the more devoted for it. Huh I remember the emperor saying that until the last stone of the last church falls on the last priest there can be no progress. Emprah didn't want a hint of a religion.
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Feb 10, 2014 22:23
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FrozenDorf posted:The Emperor did want religion, but he hid the fact. He tore down all the old gods and denied his own divinity because, when people gazed upon his majesty and realized he was a god of their own volition, they were all the more devoted for it. You know the Chaos Gods were lying to Horus and crew, right? Like none of that was actually true, they just wanted Horus and his brothers to think they were betrayed.
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Aziraphale posted:Emprah didn't want a hint of a religion.
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