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Bigass Moth posted:I think it's pretty funny that Michone's zombie on a leash thing has been proven to work perfectly twice but nobody else has tried it and they didn't string up a bunch of jawless zombies at the perimeter of the prison even though their smell clearly covers human scent. The whole thing is just bad logic. Why do they become docile things that you can walk around like a dog if you cop off their jaws and arms in the first place? Shouldn't they still be trying to eat her even if they can't?
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NESguerilla posted:The whole thing is just bad logic. Why do they become docile things that you can walk around like a dog if you cop off their jaws and arms in the first place? I kept hoping they'd just fall over all the time, like when she led them down that steep embankment. 
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Feb 11, 2014 00:36
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NESguerilla posted:The whole thing is just bad logic. Why do they become docile things that you can walk around like a dog if you cop off their jaws and arms in the first place? Let's not start applying rigorous logic and scientific methodology to the behavior of zombies.
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Feb 11, 2014 00:42
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Bigass Moth posted:I think it's pretty funny that Michone's zombie on a leash thing has been proven to work perfectly twice but nobody else has tried it and they didn't string up a bunch of jawless zombies at the perimeter of the prison even though their smell clearly covers human scent. This still makes no sense to me how any of it works at all.
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Feb 11, 2014 00:46
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xxEightxx posted:Let's not start applying rigorous logic and scientific methodology to the behavior of zombies. Do not apply logic to anything in this show, at all.
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Feb 11, 2014 00:49
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rawdog pozfail posted:Do not apply logic to anything in this show, at all. Yeah, seriously. If I were to apply logic, my first thought would be "In this world, the second I found a gun I would just shoot myself". I mean not to be nihilistic but drat, what's the point?
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Feb 11, 2014 01:09
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Michonne's pet zombies indicate her willingness to castrate men and her threat to males as well as her confused sexuality. I thought it was really interesting that she hosed the governor to death in the mid season finale.
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Feb 11, 2014 01:11
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I liked this episode overall but not as much as some of the better parts of the first half of the season. Keeping everything small scale and slow worked for me after the nuttiness of the last couple episodes, and yes Carl being dumb and whiny was intentional. I still think people aren't actually watching this show when they post about it. Shitenshi posted:"That was so lame!" "Yeah it was so silly!" Yeah, okay assholes, so what was, "that?" Buzkashi posted:Yeah, Carl, maybe you feel like you're telling your dad off, but he's unconscious and not registering anything. Go outside and yell at the wall. Mexcillent posted:I think that the episode would have been a lot better without that anger being so immediate, but building up as Rick becomes less and less receptive or conscious giving the anger and desperation Carl undergoes a little more context and humanity beyond writing fiat. Grin and Tonic posted:Carl's transition from being a little shithead to his dad to all of the sudden not being one was really weird and uneven. I still don't really get what people want out of this show I guess. There's so many things to legitimately complain about but half this thread nitpicks the parts that actually aren't broken.
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Feb 11, 2014 01:17
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Basically that last episode was about the respective sexual frustrations of Carl and Michonne. Which was why I thought it was hilarious when Rick said to Carl "It's for you" when Michonne was at the door. This was right after Rick told Carl "now you are a man". Black pudding == Michonne fantasy
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Feb 11, 2014 01:25
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Yes ok we get it, you can stop copying posts from creepy fanfic tumblrs now.
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Feb 11, 2014 01:29
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Surlaw posted:and yes Carl being dumb and whiny was intentional. Why, though? I understand a teenager acting angsty towards his father. A teenager who has lost so much in such a horrifying situation probably moreso. But considering all the absurd poo poo that happens in this show, let's use as an example the neutered zombie talk, why is it important that you chase this particular brand of realism? I don't even blame Carl for this lame trope that keeps being brought up episode after episode, I blame Rick. With Shane and Lori gone, the only "family" intrigue the main character has to bounce off of is Carl. I'd include the baby but it'd be pretty hard to contrive situations where the baby and Rick are at odds. I think now would be a perfect time to de-emphasize Rick as the main character. He should still be the most central character, sure. But I feel like all of my favorite episodes lately have emphasized others, like Herschel, Merle, or Morgan. Even the Governor episodes were a welcome change of pace, despite how revolted I was by the idea of a Governor Redemption arc. I want to know more about these people, what their take is on the zombie apocalypse and the backstory that informs how they came to survive so long. We've been with Rick so long that the only thing left to learn about his character is how he changes based on interactions with other characters. It'd have a lot more impact if we really understood where those characters were coming from.
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VDay posted:Yes ok we get it, you can stop copying posts from creepy fanfic tumblrs now. That DICK! posted:Why, though? I understand a teenager acting angsty towards his father. A teenager who has lost so much in such a horrifying situation probably moreso. But considering all the absurd poo poo that happens in this show, let's use as an example the neutered zombie talk, why is it important that you chase this particular brand of realism? That's not to say the way Carl was handled was wonderfully done, but it made perfect sense yet we've got people here that literally think the writers forget everything that happens from episode to episode and that there's no continuity or logic between anything and that's dumb. That DICK! posted:I think now would be a perfect time to de-emphasize Rick as the main character. He should still be the most central character, sure. But I feel like all of my favorite episodes lately have emphasized others, like Herschel, Merle, or Morgan. A True Jar Jar Fan fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Feb 11, 2014 |
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Feb 11, 2014 01:44
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NESguerilla posted:The whole thing is just bad logic. Why do they become docile things that you can walk around like a dog if you cop off their jaws and arms in the first place? They answered this in woodbury. The doctor said that if you get rid of their ability to feed, they become docile and slowly (very loving slowly) starve to death.
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Feb 11, 2014 02:15
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I just know they'll never explain how Michonne somehow went from a suburban upper-middle-class art enthusiast to an expert in katana use, and that bothers me just a little bit. I liked it better when her backstory was a mystery.
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Feb 11, 2014 02:24
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socialsecurity posted:This still makes no sense to me how any of it works at all. Didn't the one nerdy guy explain it back in Woodbury?
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Feb 11, 2014 02:27
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precision posted:I just know they'll never explain how Michonne somehow went from a suburban upper-middle-class art enthusiast to an expert in katana use, and that bothers me just a little bit. I liked it better when her backstory was a mystery.
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PaganGoatPants posted:Didn't the one nerdy guy explain it back in Woodbury? a cock shaped fruit posted:They answered this in woodbury. The doctor said that if you get rid of their ability to feed, they become docile and slowly (very loving slowly) starve to death. Although then you have to ask "How do they know that they've lost the ability to feed? They don't feel the loss of an arm or any other body part. Even if they can't feed when they are say pinned under a truck or just a head they still try to bite, etc." Best to just not think about it.
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Feb 11, 2014 02:32
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precision posted:I just know they'll never explain how Michonne somehow went from a suburban upper-middle-class art enthusiast to an expert in katana use, and that bothers me just a little bit. I liked it better when her backstory was a mystery. Seriously? They show her having a custom knife holder for her katana in he kitchen and you don't think this explains it? Some people shoot guns despite having no intention of joining the military. Michonne decided she liked swinging a sword around. It's a hobby. Done, explained. Humans are so complicated sometimes.
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Feb 11, 2014 02:33
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Kibayasu posted:Seriously? They show her having a custom knife holder for her katana in he kitchen and you don't think this explains it? Some people shoot guns despite having no intention of joining the military. Michonne decided she liked swinging a sword around. It's a hobby. Done, explained. Uh the katana knife block was a surrealist element that was a hint to the audience that the scene was a dream instead of an actual flashback.
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Kibayasu posted:Seriously? They show her having a custom knife holder for her katana in he kitchen and you don't think this explains it? Some people shoot guns despite having no intention of joining the military. Michonne decided she liked swinging a sword around. It's a hobby. Done, explained. She didn't actually have a spot for her katana in a kitchen knife block.
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Kibayasu posted:Seriously? They show her having a custom knife holder for her katana in he kitchen and you don't think this explains it? Some people shoot guns despite having no intention of joining the military. Michonne decided she liked swinging a sword around. It's a hobby. Done, explained.
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Surlaw posted:I love this post. I love the two follow up posts presuming a literal interpretation of the post you love.
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xxEightxx posted:I love the two follow up posts presuming a literal interpretation of the post you love. Based on the rest of the post, I'm not entirely sure it was a joke. Let's hope so! Surlaw posted:yes Carl being dumb and whiny was intentional. Nobody's questioning whether it was intentional. We're just asking for some context within the episode.
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Feb 11, 2014 02:49
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xxEightxx posted:I love the two follow up posts presuming a literal interpretation of the post you love. You can never tell with people who watch this show.
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Bigass Moth posted:I think it's pretty funny that Michone's zombie on a leash thing has been proven to work perfectly twice but nobody else has tried it and they didn't string up a bunch of jawless zombies at the perimeter of the prison even though their smell clearly covers human scent. OK, you're suggesting that zombies without jaws and on leashes along the fence would camo the living inside, but the piles or re-dead zombies and the "living" zombies along the fence didn't because reasons? The whole zombies on leashes thing makes zero sense whatsoever, even in the magical world of TWD.
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Feb 11, 2014 02:54
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Naet posted:Nobody's questioning whether it was intentional. We're just asking for some context within the episode.
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xxEightxx posted:Let's not start applying rigorous logic and scientific methodology to the behavior of zombies. What? Rigorous logic? How about simple continuity and such?
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Feb 11, 2014 02:56
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Guys, the fantastical zombie plague is not acting rationally.
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Surlaw posted:Carl thinks everyone he's spent the last year or two growing close to is dead, blames his dad, throws a fit, thinks he can make it on his own, learns that he can't. Which part needs more context? The bolded part. Why is Carl mad at his dad?
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Feb 11, 2014 02:57
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Naet posted:The bolded part. Why is Carl mad at his dad? Armless zombies = Cloaking device is a silly plot device that requires some real stretching. Carl being mad at Rick after the massacre is not.
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Feb 11, 2014 03:02
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Surlaw posted:His dad was the de facto leader of the group through a number of bad decisions that led to the final conflict at the prison, several of which weren't really his fault but fell on his shoulders anyway. He failed to stop the Governor and everyone "died." It's not a logical response, it's an emotional one coming out of someone who just went through something horrible and needs someone to blame because he's human. But from where in the episode are you drawing this conclusion? And I guess my broader points: how does this make sense given the relationship already established between Rick and Carl in "Internment" and the rest of season 4? And how does this make sense with Rick in a near-death state? Maybe the answer is "angsty teenager," but I think that's weak writing in the context of the rest of the show. I also believe that the recurring theme of "Rick is leader, bad things happen, other characters rage against Rick" is uninteresting at this point in the series.
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Feb 11, 2014 03:10
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Carl has plenty of reason to be mad at Rick, but being so mad at him while he's dying of a dozen infected wounds was just a little over the top.
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Naet posted:But from where in the episode are you drawing this conclusion? Rick and Carl had a comfortable relationship when living conditions were stable. Things go to hell (more so) and Carl panics. He calms down and comes to terms with what's happened by the end of the episode, which is probably too quick. quote:I also believe that the recurring theme of "Rick is leader, bad things happen, other characters rage against Rick" is uninteresting at this point in the series.
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precision posted:Yeah, seriously. If I were to apply logic, my first thought would be "In this world, the second I found a gun I would just shoot myself". I mean not to be nihilistic but drat, what's the point? I'd stay alive out of curiosity.
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Surlaw posted:Carl literally says it. It's his whole monologue. It's the whole point of bringing up Shane. He's hurt, scared and lashing out and it makes him do and say some dumb things. It's less teenage angst and more scared child, even if he is A Man Now. Oof -- sorry, I didn't express myself clearly so that's my fault. Carl says those things in his monologue, yes, but I'm wondering how that actually fits into the rest of the episode. It just seems like a total copout to unload all of this on the audience with 5 minutes to go in the show. Instead, there's a bunch of imagery about Carl missing out on a normal childhood (wandering the neighborhood, sitting on the roof eating pudding, marveling at the teenager's room, looking at the video games, etc.) and that feels disjointed compared to what's actually, supposedly going on. And while the death of everyone else is certainly a game-changer, I don't think that the midseason finale and this episode properly set up Carl and Rick to regress to their relationship from two seasons ago. I understand your argument and agree with that being the writer's perspective as well, but we'll probably just have to agree to disagree on whether or not this is an effective piece of writing. edit: actually, I probably wouldn't be this annoyed by this storyline if it hadn't taken over an entire episode, so maybe that's my main complaint. i am the bird fucked around with this message at 03:35 on Feb 11, 2014 |
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euphronius posted:Basically that last episode was about the respective sexual frustrations of Carl and Michonne. Which was why I thought it was hilarious when Rick said to Carl "It's for you" when Michonne was at the door. This was right after Rick told Carl "now you are a man". What the gently caress lol
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The Human Crouton posted:I'd stay alive out of curiosity. Yeah me too
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The only downside of Michonne killing her walker camouflage is the sheer horror potential of the herd getting bigger and bigger and then all of a sudden one or two walkers realizing she's alive. I kept waiting for that to happen and it didn't.
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Mexcillent posted:The only downside of Michonne killing her walker camouflage is the sheer horror potential of the herd getting bigger and bigger and then all of a sudden one or two walkers realizing she's alive. I kept waiting for that to happen and it didn't. I got the distinct feeling she knew exactly what she was doing and it wasnt an accident or circumstance that she was surrounded.
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Officer Farva posted:He just got done watching Hershel get his head cut off, and saw a ton of people dying left and right, while the place that they called home for a while was infiltrated and destroy. While I'm not an expert on human mental conditions, I think it's safe to say that Carl might have been in shock moments after all this poo poo went down. It's hard to believe that he wouldn't still be in shock. He just lost everyone, now there's a chance he might lose his dad too - the only person he has left in the world. Realistically, I wouldn't see a teenager going "I win Dad, I'm glad you're dying, I'm going to eat pudding!" in that scenario. Carl is so over the top and contrived. Every sentence of his is vicious and mean while Rick is just being a poor innocent dying man. If they wanted some of Carl's emotions to feel real, they should have had Rick be a little of a prick himself. Maybe have Rick actually treat Carl like a child when he's not doing something idiotic.
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