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Is there a documentary of Herb Abrams's UWF out there somewhere?
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When's the last time anybody used brass knuckles in WWE? Did their disappearance (if there truly was a disappearance) coincide with the switch to PG, or did it have something to do with the legality of brass knuckles in general?
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Feb 11, 2014 07:29
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I remember they never called them brass knuckles. It was always brass knux. I always felt they called them that as a legality loophole thing.
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Feb 11, 2014 07:34
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Castomira posted:When's the last time anybody used brass knuckles in WWE? Did their disappearance (if there truly was a disappearance) coincide with the switch to PG, or did it have something to do with the legality of brass knuckles in general? The last time I remember is Floyd Mayweather using them on Big Show at WrestleMania XXIV. It's probably more of a PG thing than a legal thing. At least in the States, they're regulated on a local level, so it depends where the show would be.
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Feb 11, 2014 07:36
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I'm pretty sure that regardless of legality, characters on a fictional scripted fake fighting show could still use them if they wanted to.
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Feb 11, 2014 14:46
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It's cheaper to tape a roll of quarters to a wristband & call it "knux" than it is to actually find legit brass knuckles and deal with the questionable legality of possession on a state-by-state basis (let alone trying to fly with them).
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Feb 11, 2014 15:19
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I am surprised that California seems to have outlawed knuckles as well as devices made to look like brass knuckles. They should do a police raid on some prop departments.
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Feb 11, 2014 15:23
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epitasis posted:I am surprised that California seems to have outlawed knuckles as well as devices made to look like brass knuckles. They should do a police raid on some prop departments. iirc, prop departments and film armories get legal exemption in CA
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Feb 11, 2014 15:29
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oldskool posted:It's cheaper to tape a roll of quarters to a wristband & call it "knux" than it is to actually find legit brass knuckles and deal with the questionable legality of possession on a state-by-state basis (let alone trying to fly with them). Especially since, by logic, if someone is using knux in wrestling, you intentionally don't want to show them off. So anything roughly the same size that can be worn on the hand works.
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Feb 11, 2014 15:32
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LvK posted:iirc, prop departments and film armories get legal exemption in CA That makes sense but is far less interesting.
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Feb 11, 2014 15:33
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I swear half the time wrestlers got knuckles out if their tights they just mimed the whole thing with an empty hand anyways.
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Feb 11, 2014 15:43
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Lawler and Flair did that a lot. The dreaded Phantom Foreign Object.
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Feb 11, 2014 15:45
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William Regal had some brass knuckles that were featured prominently on camera several times. I don't think he's used them in quite some time, though. One that annoyed me was HHH's sledgehammer. Why even have it out there if you can't use it properly without killing somebody? It always looked so awkward the way he'd cover the head with his hand to ram it into somebody's gut.
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Feb 11, 2014 16:44
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Although that one time he actually bonked Undertaker with it out of a Last Ride looked really impressive.
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Feb 11, 2014 16:45
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Ghostpilot posted:William Regal had some brass knuckles that were featured prominently on camera several times. I don't think he's used them in quite some time, though. I believe somebody on DVDVR once said something to the effect of "How much of a pussy do you have to be to use a sledgehammer as long as HHH has and not accidentally kill a guy at least once?"
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Feb 11, 2014 16:46
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How do you protect yourself from a sledgehammer?
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Feb 11, 2014 16:46
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I always wondered why they didn't just make a gimmicked hammer that he could actually swing, instead of doing the obvious bullshit "shunt into the gut".
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Feb 11, 2014 16:55
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There was that seemingly horridly overbooked buried alive tag match between 'Taker + Big Show vs Mankind and Rock, where Trips gave Show a beastly looking clonk to the base of his skull. And then Stone Cold jumped out of the ambulance because that match needed more star power. I mean, that match owned but has there been many matches that involve pretty much every big name of the era like that one on a RAW/Smackdown?
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Feb 11, 2014 16:58
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Castomira posted:When's the last time anybody used brass knuckles in WWE? Did their disappearance (if there truly was a disappearance) coincide with the switch to PG, or did it have something to do with the legality of brass knuckles in general? FishBulb posted:I swear half the time wrestlers got knuckles out if their tights they just mimed the whole thing with an empty hand anyways.
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Feb 11, 2014 17:00
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Aurain posted:There was that seemingly horridly overbooked buried alive tag match between 'Taker + Big Show vs Mankind and Rock, where Trips gave Show a beastly looking clonk to the base of his skull. And then Stone Cold jumped out of the ambulance because that match needed more star power. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yRmpA5Wc88
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Feb 11, 2014 17:07
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VogeGandire posted:I always wondered why they didn't just make a gimmicked hammer that he could actually swing, instead of doing the obvious bullshit "shunt into the gut". I definitely remember a gimmicked rubber sledgehammer at some point in the early 2000s that bent when HHH swung it.
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Feb 11, 2014 17:14
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Aurain posted:I mean, that match owned but has there been many matches that involve pretty much every big name of the era like that one on a RAW/Smackdown? The Armageddon Hell in a Cell in 2000 had pretty much every top active name in the company: Kurt Angle vs. Stone Cold vs. Rock vs. Triple H vs. Undertaker vs. Actually Being Pushed as a Top Heel Rikishi. Plus Vince and Mick Foley both ran in on it.
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Feb 11, 2014 17:17
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TL posted:The Armageddon Hell in a Cell in 2000 had pretty much every top active name in the company: Kurt Angle vs. Stone Cold vs. Rock vs. Triple H vs. Undertaker vs. Actually Being Pushed as a Top Heel Rikishi. Plus Vince and Mick Foley both ran in on it. This is the one where Rikishi get's back body dropped off of the cell into a dump truck right? That match owned.
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Feb 11, 2014 17:20
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Ghostpilot posted:William Regal had some brass knuckles that were featured prominently on camera several times. I don't think he's used them in quite some time, though.
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Feb 11, 2014 17:37
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Professor Funk posted:This is the one where Rikishi get's back body dropped off of the cell into a dump truck right? That match owned. He took a straight flatback bump. It looks really dumb. The sawdust even flies up around him when he lands so the people in the cheap seats can see how it was gimmicked. Maybe the most overbooked match ever with Vince driving a truck into the arena in the middle of it and then Commissioner Foley doing a run-in.
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Feb 11, 2014 17:39
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epitasis posted:He took a straight flatback bump. It looks really dumb. The sawdust even flies up around him when he lands so the people in the cheap seats can see how it was gimmicked. Maybe the most overbooked match ever with Vince driving a truck into the arena in the middle of it and then Commissioner Foley doing a run-in. Yeah, it's so hilariously overbooked which is why it owns.
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Feb 11, 2014 17:42
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Abrasive Obelisk posted:How do you protect yourself from a sledgehammer? Grab the haft during a swing and hope you don't catch the head on your arm while you do it. Basically a sledgehammer is a bad weapon for wrestling because there's no way to do it right without it either looking stupid or being insanely dangerous.
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Feb 11, 2014 18:05
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There was that period during Sheamus's title run where he was hitting people with a steel pipe. I liked that a lot more, it's way more realistic of a weapon, but he stopped using it because Triple H.
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Feb 11, 2014 18:52
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As I recall, one of the few times HHH used a gimmicked sledgehammer, he legit popped out one of Mick Foley's kneecaps. I remember this because after the refs threw the "X" for real medics, Trips came back out and kept attacking Mick to give a storyline reason why he was going away. It's the little things like that that make me love him (mick foley that is  )
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Feb 11, 2014 18:55
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VogeGandire posted:I always wondered why they didn't just make a gimmicked hammer that he could actually swing, instead of doing the obvious bullshit "shunt into the gut". If it was gimmicked and made of rubber it would be so obvious when swung because it would noticeably bend and look terrible on TV. Plus, it would look absolutely hosed to watch every time because, as one guy in the theatre said during WrestleMania 28 when HHH went to swing at Undertaker's head "He was going to kill the guy!".
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Feb 11, 2014 19:02
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I imagine the process of making a gimmick sledgehammer would use a sturdy material or straight up regular sledgehammer handle to prevent it flexing, but a hollowed out plastic head decorated to look like metal, but won't hurt that much when actually hitting some one pretty gently, but hard enough to make the hit look real. I always thought the sledgehammer was one of the more irresponsible weapons they used on the WWE. Some kid grabbing one of those and hitting a mate with it is going to do infinite amounts more damage than a chair. I guess they have to let H'y boy have his toys though. e: not that a chair wouldn't hurt, It's just not a sledgehammer. Josuke Higashikata fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Feb 11, 2014 |
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Feb 11, 2014 19:06
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Justin Godscock posted:If it was gimmicked and made of rubber it would be so obvious when swung because it would noticeably bend and look terrible on TV. Foam rubber around a plastic core, like a LARP weapon. Rigid and looks realistic, hits like a wiffleball bat.
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Feb 11, 2014 19:06
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Aurain posted:e: not that a chair wouldn't hurt, It's just not a sledgehammer. I've worked with a sledge before both to break up brick and rock to make gravel and to take down walls and yeah, a sledge will straight murder someone if you hit them full force with it, either by just completely shattering the skull or spine depending on where you hit, or by causing massive internal bleeding from trauma. HHH's looks like a long handle 5 pounder, but to put that in perspective, many extant war hammers used as actual weapons during the middle ages weigh between 3 and 7 pounds.
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Feb 11, 2014 19:31
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Yeah, the sledgehammer has always seemed like a silly prop because anyone who has ever held one knows its a lethal weapon. I know a chair shot would hurt like hell but that's still within the realm of wrestling's established suspension of disbelief. A sledgehammer is just so over the top it feels cartoony. And as silly as HHH's patented covered shot with the hammer is if he ever started swinging a gimmicked one I'd just laugh at it instead of take it seriously.
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Feb 11, 2014 20:03
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Bigass Moth posted:I definitely remember a gimmicked rubber sledgehammer at some point in the early 2000s that bent when HHH swung it. He used one in HBK's comeback match. As I recall, he leans on it at one point, and it's so, so clearly fake that he should've tossed it and started hitting Shawn with his mineral water, for all the difference it'd make in suspension of disbelief.
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Feb 11, 2014 20:23
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That would be a bad idea. Considering how the Road Warrior Hawk and Roberts/Lawler angles were received, they probably don't want to call attention to HHH's drinking problem.
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Feb 11, 2014 20:30
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How much of the Forever Hardcore DVD was bullshit? It seems like they gloss over a lot and tend to paint everyone in the best possible light.
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Feb 11, 2014 22:23
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Mike Quackenbush just did a Reddit AMA and he and the Redditors kept namedropping Chris Masters like he completely poo poo the bed in some way when he did an AMA. What are they talking about?
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Feb 11, 2014 22:45
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Gavok posted:Mike Quackenbush just did a Reddit AMA and he and the Redditors kept namedropping Chris Masters like he completely poo poo the bed in some way when he did an AMA. What are they talking about? Basically, people would ask questions and instead of replying to that comment thread, Masters would just post another comment thread with the answer. So instead of it being: Who was your favourite opponent? - Shawn Michaels Who was your favourite tag partner? - Carlito It was: Who was your favourite opponent? Who was your faovurite tag partner? Shawn Michaels Carlito Imagine that but way more disorganized. He eventually got it.
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Feb 11, 2014 22:54
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How dare Chris Masters not understand the deep intricacies of Reddit.
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