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Sion posted:THen again, the dumb poo poo about Y wasn't really in the cause of the death of every man, more... the everything else part of it.
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theflyingorc posted:I'm actually curious why people hate it so much. I enjoyed it, generally. I'm assuming it now sucks because Saga's out, and internet law says you can only like one BKV project at a time, because Y sucking is also news to me, I've heard nothing but great things, and I certainly enjoyed what I read of it.
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Feb 11, 2014 18:29
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Gaz-L posted:I'm assuming it now sucks because Saga's out, and internet law says you can only like one BKV project at a time, because Y sucking is also news to me, I've heard nothing but great things, and I certainly enjoyed what I read of it. I don't like either Y or Saga, but Runaways is alright, so I dunno.
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Feb 11, 2014 18:39
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Gaz-L posted:Real answer: Shia made a short film that was word for word ripped off from a Dan Clowes comic. Even to the point of pretty clearly using the comic as storyboard for a number of shots. When he got called out for plagiarism, he at first acted like the issue was not crediting Clowes, then when people pointed out that not even asking the original creator first, let alone not crediting is lovely, he threw out a bunch of passive-aggressive 'I'm sorry you were offended' type responses, some publicity stunts, then threw a tantrum on Twitter and declared he was retired from public life. And somewhere in there he tried to pretend he's James Franco and called the whole thing 'performance art'.
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Feb 11, 2014 18:41
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theflyingorc posted:I'm actually curious why people hate it so much. I enjoyed it, generally. Re: Internets reaction to anything that is popular among the majority (of comicbook readers I guess).
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Feb 11, 2014 18:43
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theflyingorc posted:I'm actually curious why people hate it so much. I enjoyed it, generally. Y is a fantastic book and ranks among my favorites. Read this thread for news, not opinions.
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Feb 11, 2014 18:47
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Anything imperfect is utter poo poo, only exceeded in shittiness by the shits who don't realize how lovely things are
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Feb 11, 2014 18:51
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Gaz-L posted:Real answer: Shia made a short film that was word for word ripped off from a Dan Clowes comic. Even to the point of pretty clearly using the comic as storyboard for a number of shots. When he got called out for plagiarism, he at first acted like the issue was not crediting Clowes, then when people pointed out that not even asking the original creator first, let alone not crediting is lovely, he threw out a bunch of passive-aggressive 'I'm sorry you were offended' type responses, some publicity stunts, then threw a tantrum on Twitter and declared he was retired from public life. And somewhere in there he tried to pretend he's James Franco and called the whole thing 'performance art'. You forgot to mention that the apology was also almost word for word plagiarized. From Yahoo Answers.
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Feb 11, 2014 18:53
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I miss the genial, warm-hearted Shia Lebouf who got into drunken brawls with people on crutches, lost, and then had random passersby shout, "Where's Bumblebee now!?" at him.
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Feb 11, 2014 18:55
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Madkal posted:Re: Internets reaction to anything that is popular among the majority (of comicbook readers I guess). The poster just spoke with such confidence, I thought it was the general consensus that it was terrible based on his words. I just thought it was sorta weak and unfocused in the back half.
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Feb 11, 2014 19:12
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theflyingorc posted:The poster just spoke with such confidence, I thought it was the general consensus that it was terrible based on his words. Yeah, you run into this a lot in the Cinema Discusso subforum. You can go into a thread about a movie and come out thinking, 'holy poo poo, that must be the worst movie ever made!' Then you realize that it's only the case within the tiny pocket reality that is that specific thread. DFu4ever fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Feb 11, 2014 |
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Feb 11, 2014 19:17
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DFu4ever posted:Yeah, you run into this a lot in the Cinema Discusso subforum. You can go into a thread about a movie and come out thinking, 'holy poo poo, that must be the worst movie ever made!' Then you realize that it's only the case within the tiny pocket reality that is that specific thread. To be honest, the opposite also happens with regularity.
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I am a she, and that should probably sum it up. I found it insulting and laughable in turns the ways he thought society would go to complete pot without men, that women would go crazy without them, Mad Max Amazon feminazis, the various stupid/unbelievable ways women would react to such a situation, etc etc. I also found the main character to be insufferable and preachy and the plot meandering and unable to reach a satisfying reveal/conclusion. I can't remember when in the series I stopped reading (it was awhile ago and nothing about it was really all that memorable) but I do remember throwing the book down in disgust and walking away. Not really the thread to go into much more detail and I'm not about to reread it to defend my views, so I'll just leave it there.
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Feb 11, 2014 20:01
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Honestly Y is one of those books I read and thought was decent but haven't thought about in years. It never etched out a spot in my brain, the only real memory I have even now is something happening at the end that was a really dumb way to wrap up two characters. [edited for spoilers] SirDan3k fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Feb 11, 2014 |
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Feb 11, 2014 20:17
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Can we not post spoilers to books that have nothing to do with this thread.
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Feb 11, 2014 20:26
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Dan Didio posted:I miss the genial, warm-hearted Shia Lebouf who got into drunken brawls with people on crutches, lost, and then had random passersby shout, "Where's Bumblebee now!?" at him. And the Shia who was a good actor.
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Feb 11, 2014 20:27
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Oracle posted:I am a she, and that should probably sum it up. I found it insulting and laughable in turns the ways he thought society would go to complete pot without men, that women would go crazy without them, Mad Max Amazon feminazis, the various stupid/unbelievable ways women would react to such a situation, etc etc. Like, maybe the daughters of the Amazon went too far, but in general I thought it was pretty accurate as to what would happen immediately.
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Feb 11, 2014 20:38
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Is it possible to move this discussion to the general chat thread as I find it very interesting but also nothing to do with comic-book movies.
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Feb 11, 2014 20:42
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achillesforever6 posted:And the Shia who was a good actor. Tell me more about the parallel universe you come from.
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Feb 11, 2014 20:47
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Madkal posted:Is it possible to move this discussion to the general chat thread as I find it very interesting but also nothing to do with comic-book movies. I have done so. I'd be interested in discussing it further if people want to jump threads.
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AnonSpore posted:Tell me more about the parallel universe you come from. Nononononononono... NO!
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Feb 11, 2014 20:50
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Dan Didio posted:If you're making an argument about how a movie is good, don't use the words 'for what it was'. Because it was a comic book movie. There has never been a comic book movie that has been anything more than good, cheap entertainment, and I'm including the Nolan Batman movies.
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Feb 12, 2014 00:20
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Billy Idle posted:Because it was a comic book movie. There has never been a comic book movie that has been anything more than good, cheap entertainment, and I'm including the Nolan Batman movies. History of Violence and Road to Perdition
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bobkatt013 posted:History of Violence and Road to Perdition And Akira and Ghost World and American Splendor and Oldboy and Superman: The Movie.
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Feb 12, 2014 00:31
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Billy Idle posted:Because it was a comic book movie. There has never been a comic book movie that has been anything more than good, cheap entertainment, and I'm including the Nolan Batman movies. Super
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Feb 12, 2014 00:34
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achillesforever6 posted:I miss the Shia who would poo poo talk about Indy 4 only to get crushed by Steven who told him that it was time to sell cars. Shia was never a very good actor. And Spielberg was right. It's a dick move to trash talk the movie you were in just a couple years ago and put similar words in the mouths of your director and co-star without their permission. What he did was very unprofessional. And he obviously just said it for attention and validation, not because he was so deeply worried that his participation in the film damaged his integrity as an artist. bobkatt013 posted:History of Violence and Road to Perdition I'm sorry, I meant comic book movies based on super heroes. e: Humbug Scoolbus posted:Super I meant what I said. Naming random movies that you personally feel rose above the crowd to become an immortal part of the cinematic canon isn't going to make me change my mind.
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:Super Super is not a comic book movie and also it sucks.
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Feb 12, 2014 00:41
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The original Superman is a legitimately excellent film by any metric.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Super is not a comic book movie and also it sucks. Ah the 'it sucks' defense. I can't get past that.
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Mr. Maltose posted:The original Superman is a legitimately excellent film by any metric. Yes, I agree. I like superhero movies. I was just defending my description of Thor as being very good "for what it was" from one poster's implication that I must have been tacitly admitting that it actually sucked.
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Then why say all comic films are popcorn fodder? Wait, no, it's all comic films with superheroes in them. Wait gently caress Reeves Superman was actually great, what was the point again?
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Mr. Maltose posted:Then why say all comic films are popcorn fodder? Wait, no, it's all comic films with superheroes in them. Wait gently caress Reeves Superman was actually great, what was the point again? Jesus, just forget it. I'm not trying to move the goalposts and I'm not trying to pull one over on anybody. I don't even want to loving argue with anyone about this.
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Feb 12, 2014 00:53
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AnonSpore posted:Tell me more about the parallel universe you come from.
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Billy Idle posted:Because it was a comic book movie. There has never been a comic book movie that has been anything more than good, cheap entertainment, and I'm including the Nolan Batman movies. Quotin' dis horseshit opinion for the ages
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Billy Idle posted:Yes, I agree. I like superhero movies. I was just defending my description of Thor as being very good "for what it was" from one poster's implication that I must have been tacitly admitting that it actually sucked. Is that what I said? I'm pretty sure that's not what I said.
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When you call a movie like Thor good you kind of have to qualify it, lest someone think you mean it's Citizen Kane instead of a fun superhero popcorn movie. But apparently people in this thread think the first Superman movie is a legitimately valuable piece of cinema instead of a dumb popcorn flick, so maybe that kind of distinction isn't important?
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Lurdiak posted:When you call a movie like Thor good you kind of have to qualify it, lest someone think you mean it's Citizen Kane instead of a fun superhero popcorn movie. But apparently people in this thread think the first Superman movie is a legitimately valuable piece of cinema instead of a dumb popcorn flick, so maybe that kind of distinction isn't important? Dumb popcorn films can be valuable pieces of cinema.
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