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Who the hell thinks of those postings? Yes, these are all IT stuff, one IT guy should be able to do the lot of it right? Right? gently caress, I get annoyed when i'm asked to do user training (as in an actual, booked training session) because i'm not a trainer. I can't imagine someone working all that because "welp, that's what they want".
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Job postings vary greatly from actual work most of the time, or at least in my experience you can still submit a resume missing a lot of key stuff and still get an interview. But it probably does pay poo poo though.
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Feb 12, 2014 16:17
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That looks like a job for a Rogue. 
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Feb 12, 2014 16:24
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Another loving brewery, too!
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mattfl posted:I'm going to assume the salary was somewhere in the 25-35k region too. Very few if any job postings in my market (West Tennessee) post pay rates at all. I have a voicemail greeting that tells recruiters if they can't meet X hourly/salary requirement not to leave me a message otherwise I get weekly messages for dumb lowball poo poo jobs. Its really bad here. @Inspector_666 its for Brewery/Beverage Packaging Company actually  Oh hey heres another posting from the same company for a SysAdmin quote:POSITION SUMMARY Lazer Vampire Jr. fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Feb 12, 2014 |
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Feb 12, 2014 16:32
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Lazer Vampire Jr. posted:Very few if any job postings in my market (West Tennessee) post pay rates at all. I have a voicemail greeting that tells recruiters if they can't meet X hourly/salary requirement not to leave me a message otherwise I get weekly messages for dumb lowball poo poo jobs. Its really bad here. Wow, who wouldn't sign up to be a system admin, program manager AND a manager all in one!
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Feb 12, 2014 16:42
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So apparently breweries don't give a gently caress about IT.Sickening posted:Wow, who wouldn't sign up to be a system admin, program manager AND a manager all in one! I totally would if you paid me for all three of those positions. I mean like, you took all of the salaries of those and added them together.
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Feb 12, 2014 17:00
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Hey, you with the bachelor's degree and experience running Windows Server! We've got a job for you doing tier-1 help desk for 25k!
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Feb 12, 2014 17:14
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Don't I loving know that! No seriously, the pace that I'm working at now to do documentation and manage another companies mobile computers, AND complete site assements offered me that. Fortunately I have recruiters a plenty a calling and interviews coming in left, right, center.
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Feb 12, 2014 17:33
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I've finally stopped getting the helpdesk emails. Now I get the "URGENT NEED FOR NETWORK ENGINEER! START DATE 3 DAYS FROM NOW!" emails, so I've graduated from "cannon fodder" to "last resort for something important".
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Feb 12, 2014 17:39
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psydude posted:So apparently breweries don't give a gently caress about IT. Combine that with all three benefits packages (including annual leave) and i'd jump on it.
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Feb 12, 2014 18:08
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psydude posted:I've finally stopped getting the helpdesk emails. Now I get the "URGENT NEED FOR NETWORK ENGINEER! START DATE 3 DAYS FROM NOW!" emails, so I've graduated from "cannon fodder" to "last resort for something important". I still get e-mails for weird mainframe DBA poo poo, because I mentioned in my resume I had basic experience with MVS mainframes. (I never did JCL or any of that poo poo, we did break/fix by rote and occasionally rebooted the thing.)
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Feb 12, 2014 18:17
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psydude posted:So apparently breweries don't give a gently caress about IT. I've applied to New Belgium a few times but they're basically the anti-Rogue in terms of respect for their employees. Unfortunately they're a Windows shop and I have minimal experience with Sharepoint, Lync etc so it didn't go anywhere. Come to think of it, maybe it's not a coincidence that a job that would require heavy Sharepoint use provides basically unlimited access to alcohol right in the office... Also that "support specialist" job includes the classic "IT = literally anything that is powered by electricity" element. Seriously, I'd have to maintain your loving CB radios?
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Almost 45 days into the year, and my 2014 budget isn't finalized.  I do know, however, that my budget for a new backup solution will be around $40k. Anyone want to make some suggestions for options to look into? Our server environment is mostly Windows 2008R2, with about half of those being VMs. Total server count is around 20. We have one Exchange 2010 server, a couple of servers running SQL, and a couple of file servers. There are 3 physical sites, but the WAN connections are 366Mb (microwaves), soon to be 1Gb(fiber). *ninja edit: We're currently using Retrospect 8.1. It does the job, but it requires a lot of babysitting to get poo poo to properly groom. Every couple of months we wipe all the backup sets and start all over, because that's easier than getting Retrospect to behave properly.
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Feb 13, 2014 00:19
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If Dell have sorted their poo poo out with AppAssure then that looks like a really powerful piece of kit and should fall nicely into your budget. Someone else had great experience with Unitrends and I remember reading posts from a guy here who works for EMC and was saying that DataDomain is still good/being improved on. That last one might push the funds a bit though.
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Feb 13, 2014 01:02
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Well poo poo guy who I was going to replace at YOTJ was like "nah not leaving any more" or something before I got to the paper work. So now bunch of VAR's and MSP's want me; not that I don't mind them but I had this fall into my lap. 500/week + housing/room/board +get to dive right into all the virtualiztion I want +live in a new area for a while + P good offer at the end if performance is good Since I don't have any cost of living aside from "pay 860/mo" it would seem really good. Advice? I know I can get head and shoulders more at a local VAR/MSP.
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Feb 13, 2014 01:16
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AlternateAccount posted:The best is how getting all of that experience and expertise should only have taken you 1-3 years. "It depends on how you define and "
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Feb 13, 2014 01:51
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You jinxed that other gig by sending over-confident vibes into the universe, buddy. Humility...
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GOOCHY posted:You jinxed that other gig by sending over-confident vibes into the universe, buddy. Humility... Well sorry for trying to have some self confidence  Nah all good, I got options
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How do you go from possibly getting a 6 figure job to 12.50/hr + expenses paid? Maybe I'm just overly critical but that doesn't seem like a good  Also it's 3 months from now, are you just going to stay unemployed until then? It looks completely college kid oriented, I don't see the benefit to someone already career-mindedDilbert As gently caress posted:Well sorry for trying to have some self confidence But it's more than a self confidence thing, you're just coming across as arrogant that you're perceiving everyone and their mom as fumbling hand over rear end to stroke your cock. The reality is that any of us are replaceable, you are currently unemployed, and recruiters will say anything to make someone feel good and apply for their position to get that sweet recruitment bonus. Also VAR/MSP's own as long as its operated correctly. Check out Presidio for some consulting positions - good salary and travel options. Sepist fucked around with this message at 03:05 on Feb 13, 2014 |
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Feb 13, 2014 02:55
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Sepist posted:But it's more than a self confidence thing, you're just coming across as arrogant that you're perceiving everyone and their mom as fumbling hand over rear end to stroke your cock. The reality is that any of us are replaceable, you are currently unemployed, and recruiters will say anything to make someone feel good and apply for their position to get that sweet recruitment bonus. Well I wasn't trying to come off that way, I realize you are an HR posting away from being replaced. However, everyone I talked(people at %company%, people who have IT managers at %company%, and such wanted me and sounded 100% go ahead with sign on the dotted line. Wasn't expecting a "welp staying" for the replacement position; I do apologize if I came off arrogant though that was not my goal. Sepist posted:How do you go from possibly getting a 6 figure job to 12.50/hr + expenses paid? Maybe I'm just overly critical but that doesn't seem like a good I dunno money just is not an object as to why I want to change jobs or pursue one; If I want to change jobs and %current job% offers me more money to stay I take it as an insult  guess I'm weird but I really don't care about money all that much. Knowledge, improving skill sets, and growth far outweighs a paycheck to me. I also have enough saved from my last position to last me quite a while, have yet to take up any unemployment firms. Sure who doesn't like to extend an epine about money but eh... Dunno I just like to learn, improve, and what not; money is usually an after thought when taking a job for me. The VAR that wants me is 65-75k; I'd settle for 42k given the VMware experience but eh.Money is good and all but it's far from everything. V- (most)college's server a gravy train IT budget Dilbert As FUCK fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Feb 13, 2014 |
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Feb 13, 2014 03:05
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Are people from going to show up and recruit from big data and security firms? Is it a grad school pitch? I don't get the stipend unless it's from somewhere you're already enrolled
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Dilbert As gently caress posted:Well I wasn't trying to come off that way, I realize you are an HR posting away from being replaced. However, everyone I talked(people at %company%, people who have IT managers at %company%, and such wanted me and sounded 100% go ahead with sign on the dotted line. Wasn't expecting a "welp staying" for the replacement position; I do apologize if I came off arrogant though that was not my goal. You did, and you announced it on FB too. If you came off as arrogant here, you might have come off the same way to them. Maybe they asked the guy to stay and increased his compensation because of it. Dilbert As gently caress posted:I dunno money just is not an object as to why I want to change jobs or pursue one; If I want to change jobs and %current job% offers me more money to stay I take it as an insult Money is good for a massive number of reasons. If you're making too much for your current lifestyle, max your 401k and invest the rest. Saving for your retirement now at your age means you can either retire early or have a much more comfortable full retirement. edit addition: You need to decide where in your career path you're in if you're honestly considering some crap paid internship to get undergrad level skills when you should already have them at the point that you're getting offered 6 figure jobs.
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I feel that there are 2 parallel trains in these last few pages, and that trainwreck risk is high.
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Following the money has led to career growth for me, I wouldn't say it's negatively impacted me in the slightest.
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Paladine_PSoT posted:You did, and you announced it on FB too. If you came off as arrogant here, you might have come off the same way to them. Maybe they asked the guy to stay and increased his compensation because of it. quote:Money is good for a massive number of reasons. If you're making too much for your current lifestyle, max your 401k and invest the rest. Saving for your retirement now at your age means you can either retire early or have a much more comfortable full retirement. Honestly I feel if I don't work I am dying; call me a workoholic but poo poo other than working, learning, or teaching. quote:edit addition: You need to decide where in your career path you're in if you're honestly considering some crap paid internship to get undergrad level skills when you should already have them at the point that you're getting offered 6 figure jobs. My honest career path is learning more about technology and a goal of helping to teach others about technology. So long as I am making cost of living expensiveness I really could care less how much I make. Sepist posted:Following the money has led to career growth for me, I wouldn't say it's negatively impacted me in the slightest. Honestly, I only ask for more money because I feel asking for less tells the interviewers something negative. I just love learning, and expanding skill-sets! Dilbert As FUCK fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Feb 13, 2014 |
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I would say that higher paying positions in IT are obviously more challenging, and therefore generally more rewarding for the average IT guy who is looking for interesting problems to solve and new stuff to learn. It's kind of the opposite of real labor, where you get paid more because the job sucks more.
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Dilbert As gently caress posted:Well poo poo guy who I was going to replace at YOTJ was like "nah not leaving any more" or something before I got to the paper work. So now bunch of VAR's and MSP's want me; not that I don't mind them but I had this fall into my lap. Do not take a 2 month gig for $13/hr and a stipend that barely covers food and car rental if you're traveling for a bunch of security poo poo you're not interested in on virtualization platforms you don't care about. You're all VMware all the time. "Inter-VM traffic" on public clouds (Xen, mostly)? How does this at all fit into your career? FFS, skip the VARs and MSPs, too. They offer a lot because they have a hard time retaining staff with high workload and repetitive tasks. Bluntly, you're young, and you're good at VMware. And you know EMC passably well. You don't care about money. Add in mid-level Linux or Windows sysadmin skills and some scripting and you'll be golden. Take a job as a non-senior admin at an enterprise somewhere that asks for VMware skills. Get those admin skills, and you'll be in the top of your pay bracket in 3 years. Take barely into 6 figures at a VAR now and you won't grow professionally outside of your lab. Think long term. And it wouldn't kill you to branch out a little.
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evol262 posted:Think long term. And it wouldn't kill you to branch out a little. I try to branch out; but that won't stop me from shooting for the stars or what I love.
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adorai posted:I would say that higher paying positions in IT are obviously more challenging, and therefore generally more rewarding for the average IT guy who is looking for interesting problems to solve and new stuff to learn. It's kind of the opposite of real labor, where you get paid more because the job sucks more. Even in labor intensive jobs your ditch digger gets paid a lot less than the equipment operator or foreman.
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Dilbert As gently caress posted:I try to branch out; but that won't stop me from shooting for the stars or what I love. That isn't the point at all. You should absolutely go for what you love. And get as much as you can. But there's a whole industry out there and what you love at <25 is a very small part of it. If you don't care about money (or if you care about making as much as possible in 5 years), learning another small part is an excellent career move that doesn't preclude you from pursuing VMware bullshit or whatever, but puts you in a good position to move out of VMware if you ever want to. Or to move into specialist positions, since virtualization admins are invariably expected to also be storage, network, and linux/windows people. Learning those skills a little better now is easy and costs you nothing. It's better to have them and not need them than need them and not have them. You may even like it.
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Dilbert As gently caress posted:I did say it over FB and I would not have posted it if I was 99% sure signs pointed to !hired!. Did I jump the gun? Yeah! But I don't think I let that mindset slip into they interviews that had really wanted me however...The last mintue tides changed... Am I an rear end in a top hat for jumping the jump? yes. Do I understand my mistake? yes!= Let this be another example of a lesson that's been taught many, many times in this thread: it's not official until you've got the offer letter in your hands. It's all a pipe dream until then.
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Dilbert As gently caress posted:I try to branch out; but that won't stop me from shooting for the stars or what I love. If your main goal is learning everything and teaching a new generation and you could care less about money, take the 4x higher salary and use it to buy all sorts of training and conferences. Use a chunk to establish a scholarship fund for kids learning about technology, etc. Just don't pull the classic corvettefisher move of "almost there, nope didn't get it, lets go back to square 1 instead of just going back a step"
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madsushi posted:Let this be another example of a lesson that's been taught many, many times in this thread: it's not official until you've got the offer letter in your hands. It's all a pipe dream until then. Having been burned like this before right when I got out of college, I don't believe poo poo until I'm physically signing the offer letter.
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I've gotten burned even after signing the offer, I got hired at a defense contractor for an entry level sysadmin position straight out of college. Had to get processed by the federal building for the security clearance and got denied for owing my bank $500 (security risk? give me a loving break, show me a college kid with immaculate finances). Had to do temp work for a year before I could find something worthwhile. Never count on poo poo.
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ZetsurinPower posted:I've gotten burned even after signing the offer, I got hired at a defense contractor for an entry level sysadmin position straight out of college. Had to get processed by the federal building for the security clearance and got denied for owing my bank $500 (security risk? give me a loving break, show me a college kid with immaculate finances). Had to do temp work for a year before I could find something worthwhile. Never count on poo poo. Honestly, clearances aren't a joke. Having collections or serious financial delinquencies makes you look vulnerable, since it makes you more likely than someone who's financially stable to listen to offers of fat stacks of cash for providing privileged information. So goes the logic. And it's that way because every double agent we caught in the cold war had serious financial problems.
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Feb 13, 2014 18:25
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dogstile posted:$500 isn't exactly a lot though. One month of pay and you're more than sorted. it was a half-weeks pay, to be exact.
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ZetsurinPower posted:it was a half-weeks pay, to be exact. Being denied a security clearance because you've got a $500 overdraft really isn't being burned is the point. They want people who don't have those problems, no matter how normal it seems to you or how little money it may or may not have been.
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