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Doltos posted:Not everyone is as hung up on being 100% PC as internet forums are ~~~ Average guy joking around sure sounds different from "legitimately talk about if smoking weed or beating your wife makes you a better player"
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Feb 12, 2014 18:57
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Nobody thinks smoking weed makes you a better player. People say "draft the weed player" because it makes day one guys drop to day three so you get good value
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Feb 12, 2014 19:00
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Goetta posted:No, I'm going to guess that scouts don't secretly talk about how beating up women makes you good at football Has it ever happened...ever? Probably. Is it widespread today? Probably not. Is anyone who seriously argues it a shitpail? Definitely.
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Feb 12, 2014 19:06
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bhsman posted:Has it ever happened...ever? Probably. Is it widespread today? Probably not. Is anyone who seriously argues it a shitpail? Definitely. I'm sure it happened back when football scouting was primarily 'that guy is big and tough and mean!', which probably overlapped with the era where any good wife was expected to eat a few punches without telling anyone.
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Feb 12, 2014 19:09
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Goetta posted:Average guy joking around sure sounds different from "legitimately talk about if smoking weed or beating your wife makes you a better player" Nah it's more that the red flags that cause players to drop sometimes don't have that much bearing on how talented they are on the field and that you should probably target more than a few of those guys if they drop to you late rather then going with well behaved players that are inferior athletically.
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Feb 12, 2014 19:38
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AAA DOLFAN posted:It's entirely tongue in cheek you loving baby so lol sorry I was pissed off at something else last night and made a dumb post without thinking about it
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Feb 12, 2014 20:36
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Doltos posted:Nah it's more that the red flags that cause players to drop sometimes don't have that much bearing on how talented they are on the field and that you should probably target more than a few of those guys if they drop to you late rather then going with well behaved players that are inferior athletically. That doesn't mesh with the post you made which kicked this conversation off. Doltos posted:It's terrible to say but the wife beaters also tend to be really great players. I mean look at Lance Stephenson on the Pacers right now. Jason Kidd as well. Then we can go into baseball's wife beaters...
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Feb 12, 2014 20:41
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Chichevache posted:That doesn't mesh with the post you made which kicked this conversation off. Hmm? Yes it does. I said wife beaters tend to be good players in reference to weed smokers which was in reference to finding players deep in the draft that dropped due to red flags which really kicked this conversation off. I didn't say they were good because they beat their wives which seems like an outrageous statement to make since that's not a statistically measured category in the game of football. My dad used to toss my mom around a few times before their divorce so from a personal standpoint I hate guys that lay the wood on their wives, I'm just able to joke about it without the world ending around me.
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Feb 12, 2014 20:47
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Doltos posted:Hmm? Yes it does. I said wife beaters tend to be good players in reference to weed smokers which was in reference to finding players deep in the draft that dropped due to red flags which really kicked this conversation off. I didn't say they were good because they beat their wives which seems like an outrageous statement to make since that's not a statistically measured category in the game of football. You said wife beaters tend to be good players. Not wife beaters drop I'm the draft and then tend to be good value for their production based on draft position. The first implies that there is some correlation between wife beating and football skills.
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Feb 12, 2014 20:56
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Chichevache posted:You said wife beaters tend to be good players. Not wife beaters drop I'm the draft and then tend to be good value for their production based on draft position. The first implies that there is some correlation between wife beating and football skills. I think you're getting too hung up on word choice.
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Feb 12, 2014 21:04
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Chichevache posted:You said wife beaters tend to be good players. Not wife beaters drop I'm the draft and then tend to be good value for their production based on draft position. The first implies that there is some correlation between wife beating and football skills. Context my main man. It was in reference to a post that was quoting my original post about drafting players who dropped in the draft for red flag reasons. And again, this is all as serious as my name's dictate how good a player will be argument.
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Feb 12, 2014 21:12
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Doltos posted:Nah it's more that the red flags that cause players to drop sometimes don't have that much bearing on how talented they are on the field and that you should probably target more than a few of those guys if they drop to you late rather then going with well behaved players that are inferior athletically. This is exactly what I was saying with Sam. A team is going to want a guy in late rounds that has the body and build to be a higher producing guy, but has red flags. They don't want a polished player that is limited by size or athleticism.
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Feb 12, 2014 21:23
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SpclKen posted:This is exactly what I was saying with Sam. A team is going to want a guy in late rounds that has the body and build to be a higher producing guy, but has red flags. They don't want a polished player that is limited by size or athleticism. Some will, some won't. The third day is a complete crap shoot that you can't predict anyway. Guys I never heard of that weren't on anyones radars, didn't attend any bowl games, and didn't go to the combine get picked up from D3 schools in the last couple of rounds.
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Feb 12, 2014 21:28
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Draft the dudes who say Hitler had some good ideas.
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Feb 12, 2014 21:33
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Drafting the people who slip because of abuse allegations can be a good idea. An example of this can be found in the case of #2 overall pick Jason Kidd.
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Feb 12, 2014 21:36
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Parmesan Basil posted:Draft the dudes who say Hitler had some good ideas. I wonder how close to the line someone would have to get before football fans would be like "Oh no we can't have that dude" Is it "Well we still drive Volkswagens!" or is it "I mean, has anyone looked into why there are still so many Jew bankers?"
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Feb 12, 2014 21:36
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Doltos posted:Some will, some won't. The third day is a complete crap shoot that you can't predict anyway. Guys I never heard of that weren't on anyones radars, didn't attend any bowl games, and didn't go to the combine get picked up from D3 schools in the last couple of rounds. Very true, speaking if DII and DIII prospects, who is going to the combine? The panthers seem to draft a DII prospect the last couple drafts and I wanted to take a look at a couple. The only one I have heard of is a center from Grand Valley State named Matt Armstrong.
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Feb 12, 2014 21:51
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SpclKen posted:Very true, speaking if DII and DIII prospects, who is going to the combine? The panthers seem to draft a DII prospect the last couple drafts and I wanted to take a look at a couple. You can sort by conference at the NFL site to see them all http://www.nfl.com/combine/participants
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Feb 12, 2014 21:53
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Declan MacManus posted:I wonder how close to the line someone would have to get before football fans would be like "Oh no we can't have that dude" Jadevon Clowney could go on national television and expound the virtues of being a furry and I still would only let him drop til the second round before I thought about scooping him
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Feb 12, 2014 21:57
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Goetta you must be a real blast at parties man And alouicious no worries we all have that happen. Hope whatever it was is cool now
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Goetta posted:You can sort by conference at the NFL site to see them all That's last years link, but thanks. SpclKen fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Feb 12, 2014 |
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Feb 12, 2014 22:02
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SpclKen posted:That's last years link, but thanks. Oh whoops, I assumed they would have updated it by now considering it is like a week or so away
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Feb 12, 2014 22:02
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AAA DOLFAN posted:I'm really struggling to give Parcells too much credit for 1) Having Chad Pennington fall into his lap 2) having Lee bring in the wildcat that happened to work using players that he inherited. I don't think you have to give him credit for those things. Without Pennington that team would have been mediocre, but that's a huge loving improvement. I don't think the Wildcat factors into it at all. Even in that first New England game its impact is wildly overrated. There's a lot of little stuff that Parcells and Co. did that turned that team around.
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Feb 12, 2014 22:26
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AAA DOLFAN posted:Goetta you must be a real blast at parties man Yeah everything good now, sorry I lost it on ya 
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Feb 12, 2014 22:34
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Doltos posted:Jadevon Clowney could go on national television and expound the virtues of being a furry and I still would only let him drop til the second round before I thought about scooping him I'd draft him first overall and require him to repeat portions of the speech to whichever offensive lineman he lines up against for the psychological factor.
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Feb 12, 2014 23:10
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Catfish Noodlin posted:I don't think you have to give him credit for those things. Without Pennington that team would have been mediocre, but that's a huge loving improvement. I don't think the Wildcat factors into it at all. Even in that first New England game its impact is wildly overrated. You're saying the wild cat overall had very little to do with 2008s success? 2007 team was a much better team than 1-15. They lost how many games by a margin of 3? Variance alone would have the 2008 team as mediocre. I really, really think you're overinflating their influence. You've dismissed the wild cat and you've dismissed Pennington, the two things i would actually say contributed to the 2008 season the most... So I'm really not sure what else there is. Anthony fasano jake long and a stop gap backup linebacker are all that is left!
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Feb 12, 2014 23:22
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bhsman posted:I'd draft him first overall and require him to repeat portions of the speech to whichever offensive lineman he lines up against for the psychological factor. Speaking of Clowney the more I watch his highlights the more I take back me saying he wasn't a generational prospect earlier in the thread. This dude is loving phenomenal.
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Feb 12, 2014 23:59
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He's cool and the Jaguars will love him.
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Feb 13, 2014 00:02
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Declan MacManus posted:Technically they weren't married and the Arizona press did everything they could to bury it and never speak about it again because he's such a nice guy He must be a Republican.
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Toymachine posted:He must be a Republican. I don't see what hating the Queen has to do with this.
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Feb 13, 2014 02:25
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So who's gonna draft Louis Nix? He's easily my favorite ND player of Kelly's time. It's nuts how quick he is for being like 330.
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Feb 13, 2014 04:09
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Fussy Dutchman posted:So who's gonna draft Louis Nix? He's easily my favorite ND player of Kelly's time. It's nuts how quick he is for being like 330. If he ends up falling to #33, Houston could potentially have a three-man front that is just Clowney, Nix, and Watt. 
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Fussy Dutchman posted:So who's gonna draft Louis Nix? He's easily my favorite ND player of Kelly's time. It's nuts how quick he is for being like 330. Packers definitely might if they let Raji walk (they will)
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Feb 13, 2014 05:13
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bhsman posted:If he ends up falling to #33, Houston could potentially have a three-man front that is just Clowney, Nix, and Watt. Not gonna happen but I need to go clean up thinking about it. Wasn't Brett Smith supposed to be one of the good late Quaterbacks? Is there a reason he wasn't invited to the Combine?
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Feb 13, 2014 05:17
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I would love to see Chicago pick Nix up, just so they can finally stop the run. Mel Tucker's used a lot of big interior d-linemen before, so it's not like it would be unprecedented. Whatever they can do to stop allowing 6 yards a carry straight up the middle...
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Fussy Dutchman posted:So who's gonna draft Louis Nix? He's easily my favorite ND player of Kelly's time. It's nuts how quick he is for being like 330.
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Feb 13, 2014 05:28
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Though thinking on it more for the Texans. Taking Clowney in the first, RaShede Hageman in the second and Mettenberger in the third or forth sounds really, really sexy.
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Feb 13, 2014 09:02
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If Hageman has the combine that people are expecting him to, he probably won't make it out of the first round.
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Feb 13, 2014 12:56
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No gently caress you all, first four picks will all be QB's and Clowney will slide to the Raiders at 5, so it is written.
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smuggler posted:If Hageman has the combine that people are expecting him to, he probably won't make it out of the first round. Yeah, I've seen people say that he can run in the 4.7s - that's insanely athletic for a 318-pound DT. EDIT: and apparently he's clocked a 1.57 (electronic) 10-yard split. That's .01 faster than Clay Matthews did at the Combine. defiantgiant fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Feb 13, 2014 |
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