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Radish posted:I have no idea how we gets so high and mighty when we talk about corruption of other countries. I always have to laugh when the corruption index comes out because it's basically neo-colonial in its presentation. You see, you dirty African, Asian and Latin American countries have bribery, while we enlightened Westerners have lobbying! Nope, no corruption here!
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isildur posted:Oh man, thanks for the pointer. This is glorious. Looks like the full version of the show was DMCA'd off of youtube. Here's the full version http://podfuse-dl.andomedia.com/800185/podfuse-origin.andomedia.com/citadel_origin/pods/marklevin/Levin11072012.mp3
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He was especially great after the SOTU a few weeks ago too. He uploads all of his shows as podcasts on iTunes if I recall.
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Feb 13, 2014 00:14
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isildur posted:"All you single women out there who voted for Democrats. Make sure you write them and demand your free contraceptives. Congratulations. Your country for a condom. That's just cool. You are cool people. Congratulations. No integrity." OK. What's wrong with free contraception? Lord knows people like him have no interest in caring for or helping unwanted children. Plus, less abortions, right? Win/win.
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BiggerBoat posted:OK. What's wrong with free contraception? Lord knows people like him have no interest in caring for or helping unwanted children. Lycus fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Feb 13, 2014 |
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Feb 13, 2014 01:20
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The religious right has an obsession with women not having sex with anyone who isn't them.
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Feb 13, 2014 01:21
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Good Citizen posted:I honestly don't understand how you can be knowledgable of RW media and never listen to Levin. He's the whole industry distilled down into a misshapen ball of impotent rage. He definitely isn't harder to listen to than Hannity, though. Hannity is the hardest to listen to followed by Beck. Levin is too cartoonish to actually get upset about, kind of like Savage. I don't know... Shapiro's show is just god awful.
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Feb 13, 2014 01:29
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Wojtek posted:The religious right has an obsession with women not having sex with anyone who isn't them. It's really 100% this.
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Radish posted:It's really 100% this. This is an incredibly important drive for real-life Republicans, but then what about our forums Republicans who recognize that slutty liberals is good thing actually good for them?
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Feb 13, 2014 02:02
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agarjogger posted:This is an incredibly important drive for real-life Republicans, but then what about our forums Republicans who recognize that slutty liberals is good thing actually good for them? George Senior seems to be about your best example of how to not be as lovely when you leave office.
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Feb 13, 2014 02:04
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It's also just general "HANDOUTS!!!" rage. They get angry enough about handouts that they admit people need, like food, shelter, and medical care. SEX HANDOUTS must be infuriating.
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Feb 13, 2014 02:18
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Just for the sake of example, what are these guys going to do if a republican wins the next election? The biggest talking heads have probably made enough money to retire but are they going to continue to write books about Obama or something? My poor step dad had to buy a kindle because he was running out of room for all these goddamn books.
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Feb 13, 2014 02:34
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Am surprised the religious right and right wingers aren't trying to force contraception in minority areas, to keep them from over running the US with their welfares, spicy foods, and their bipping and a bopping.
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Feb 13, 2014 02:41
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I'm not sure of the political or religious affiliations, but I seem to recall about 20 years ago there was a bit of a case of a couple that were giving low-income women money to have their tubes tied. http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2008/09/labruzzo_sterilization_plan_fi.html I did find this trying to find the story
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Feb 13, 2014 03:35
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THis guy in front of me on the train is listening to Levin. THe guy has earbuds on but it is loud enough that I recognize Levin's pitch and his increasINGLY LOUD RHETORICAL QUESTION? Followed by speaking normally.
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Feb 13, 2014 03:37
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Blarghalt posted:I wonder if Master Shake's voice was based on Levin. They have the same personalities. Dana Snyder and Mark Levin just happen to have very similar voices. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8etDel7CscU
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McDowell posted:THis guy in front of me on the train is listening to Levin. THe guy has earbuds on but it is loud enough that I recognize Levin's pitch and his increasINGLY LOUD RHETORICAL QUESTION? Followed by speaking normally. Write up a slip and politely hand it to him that says "Hello. You have been observed by a designated PPACA community assistance officer in consumption of unapproved and/or counterrevolutionary materials. This incident has been noted to your local politburo and/or death panel if applicable. Within 6-10 business days, you will be receiving a visit from your local ACORN representative who will be pleased to discuss with you your available re-education options. Remember to sign up early for FEMA camps, slots fill fast and the annual 10k run is right around the corner!"
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Orange Devil posted:I always have to laugh when the corruption index comes out because it's basically neo-colonial in its presentation. You see, you dirty African, Asian and Latin American countries have bribery, while we enlightened Westerners have lobbying! Nope, no corruption here! I too do not believe that citizens should petition their legislatures.
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Feb 13, 2014 04:45
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computer parts posted:I too do not believe that citizens should petition their legislatures. I know hundreds of citizens, and not one of them has ever petitioned their Congress to any effect, or ever at all. I know some corporations and all of them have, to modest or great effect.
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Feb 13, 2014 04:48
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hello internet posted:Just for the sake of example, what are these guys going to do if a republican wins the next election? The biggest talking heads have probably made enough money to retire but are they going to continue to write books about Obama or something? My poor step dad had to buy a kindle because he was running out of room for all these goddamn books. "Everything would be perfect now if it weren't for all these obstructive liberals! Why won't they let us enjoy our American perfection?"
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Feb 13, 2014 04:54
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agarjogger posted:I know hundreds of citizens, and not one of them has ever petitioned their Congress to any effect, or ever at all. I know some corporations and all of them have, to modest or great effect. From a regulation standpoint lobbying is functionally identical to writing a letter to your congressman. In the case of some organizations, that's literally what you're doing.
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Feb 13, 2014 04:55
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computer parts posted:From a regulation standpoint lobbying is functionally identical to writing a letter to your congressman. If that letter contained a novelty oversized check for the congressman's reelection campaign and gift certificates for free dinners and golf and also a threat to finance other candidates against them if they don't vote a certain way then yeah, they're pretty much the exact same thing
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Feb 13, 2014 05:11
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Good Citizen posted:If that letter contained a novelty oversized check for the congressman's reelection campaign and gift certificates for free dinners and golf and also a threat to finance other candidates against them if they don't vote a certain way then yeah, they're pretty much the exact same thing And like I said, there's no effective way to limit that without getting rid of citizen influence all together. If you think there is, then spell out a regulation.
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Feb 13, 2014 05:13
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computer parts posted:If you think there is, then spell out a regulation. How about if you are employed to lobby, you can't lobby and should be ignored.
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Feb 13, 2014 05:21
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Completely new campaign finance/messaging laws that limit candidates to designated and equal amounts of media space. Also lol that lobbying is the legitimate form of petitioning the government when mass demonstrations get their skulls cracked by cops.
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Feb 13, 2014 05:22
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Lobbying in the US is broken and needs to be fixed with some regulations drafted by smarter men than I. That being said, comparing US lobbying to third world bribery and corruption is loving retarded.
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computer parts posted:And like I said, there's no effective way to limit that without getting rid of citizen influence all together. Okay. All campaigns are to be funded equitably and solely from funds set aside by the FEC. All government representatives are forbidden from receiving gifts/favors/perks/what have you from anyone. Not perfect but eliminates most corporate lobbying/bribery while making reps, hypothetically at least, listen to their constituants.
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hello internet posted:Just for the sake of example, what are these guys going to do if a republican wins the next election? The biggest talking heads have probably made enough money to retire but are they going to continue to write books about Obama or something? My poor step dad had to buy a kindle because he was running out of room for all these goddamn books. They'll go back to how it was under Bush. How, if you don't support the current GOP administration you're barely a legitimate opinion and possibly a traitor, and how this time the spending is okay because reasons (if they mention it at all.) It still amazes me a bit how quickly the "dissent is patriotic! not my president!" baton passed from one side of the aisle to the other in 2008, although the differences in volume and popular appeal are fairly obvious.
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All I'm saying is like, where's the line between you sending a fax to your congressman, and Monsanto? Like how can we know where that line is bro? 
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McDowell posted:Completely new campaign finance/messaging laws that limit candidates to designated and equal amounts of media space. Yeeaaah that's probably the biggest issue. A rich business/person/think tank/PAC with a lot of resources is allowed to spread awareness by purchasing advertisements, hanging bulletins, holding rallies, whatever. It's perfectly legal for somebody to spend $500,000 to influence public opinion to believe what they want. It doesn't even need to be fact or science based, true, or based on anything at all. Spending $1,000,000 on nothing but "my political opponent eats babies and I approve this message" is perfectly fine. But if there isn't moneyed interests involved or the message is something lobbyists don't like suddenly the tear gas and riot police show up. Look at Occupy Wall Street. Information eventually came out that there was a deliberate crackdown on OWS. People with money and power did not like the message. The message was attacked.
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Miltank posted:Lobbying in the US is broken and needs to be fixed with some regulations drafted by smarter men than I. That being said, comparing US lobbying to third world bribery and corruption is loving retarded. Lobbying cant get fixed until there are severe retoolings to campaign finance. When you need 1-2 mil in donations every few year to keep a house seat the lobbyists basically have you by the nuts, they're the ones with the connections to contributors and the strings to pull with event holders etc. Take away the financial need for the campaigns and you take away the need for lobby money.
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Spaceman Future! posted:Lobbying cant get fixed until there are severe retoolings to campaign finance. When you need 1-2 mil in donations every few year to keep a house seat the lobbyists basically have you by the nuts, they're the ones with the connections to contributors and the strings to pull with event holders etc. Take away the financial need for the campaigns and you take away the need for lobby money. Pretty much. Lobbying itself isn't the problem as much as the 24/7/365 campaign season we have now that requires a constantly topped-off war chest, which can only be filled by the wealthiest of lobbies that are willing to sit on their checkbooks (or write checks to your opponent) if you're not legislating or obstructing hard enough in their favor. Ever notice that congressmen seem to be much more frank after they announce their retirement and aren't begging for money anymore?
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Dittoheads lit up this week after taking these comments at face value Ways and Means chairman says 100% of targeted groups were right-leaning quote:Additionally, we now know that the IRS targeted not only right-leaning applicants, but also right-leaning groups that were already operating as 501(c)(4)s. At Washington, DC’s direction, dozens of groups operating as 501(c)(4)s were flagged for IRS surveillance, including monitoring of the groups’ activities, websites and any other publicly available information. Of these groups, 83 percent were right-leaning. And of the groups the IRS selected for audit, 100 percent were right-leaning
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Feb 13, 2014 15:48
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isildur posted:Oh man, thanks for the pointer. This is glorious. Christ. Anyone who unironically listens to an obnoxious twit like this is a completely rotten human being.
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Knight posted:Dittoheads lit up this week after taking these comments at face value This is going to get ugly. Also, concerning the importance of the Ways and Means committee, an excerpt from a great episode of This American Life called Take The Money And Run For Office. This American Life posted:Andrea Seabrook Lobbying our way to Democracy!
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Feb 13, 2014 16:47
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"The IRS was targeting us.  " Your entire ideology is based on cheating on your taxes.
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SedanChair posted:"The IRS was targeting us. People who self-describe as "opponents of the President" openly complaining that they're being treated like political organizations.
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Feb 13, 2014 16:59
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It was always interesting in 2012 to see how close the GOP candidates could come to saying 'taxation is theft' without actually saying it.
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Looks like PBS wants in on that sweet sweet right-wing special interest cash as well: http://pando.com/2014/02/12/the-wolf-of-sesame-street-revealing-the-secret-corruption-inside-pbss-news-division/
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