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Big Mean Jerk posted:Plus Korriban sounds cooler. Moribund sounds really generic. The EU probably has like nine Darths whose names are variations on "Moribund" already.
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Is Crystal Star the one with the farting astroid bases E: or is that The New Rebellion
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Feb 14, 2014 01:08
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Come on guys. Chrystal Star isn't all that bad. Have you read Planet of Twilight?
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Feb 14, 2014 03:12
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Big Mean Jerk posted:For once, I can actually understand the reason for the neckbeard tears. It really is an unnecessary change. Clearly the republic only calls it Korriban when they have diplomatic relations with the Sith administration. They don't recognize the current president and so the official name has reverted to Moribund.
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Feb 14, 2014 03:27
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I don't understand why they wanted to bring Kathy Tyers back to write Balance Point. Did someone really love Truce At Bakura that much?
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Feb 14, 2014 05:44
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Carnaticum posted:Come on guys. Chrystal Star isn't all that bad. Have you read Planet of Twilight? This was actually the one gap in said roommate's collection. He's re-ordered it from Amazon, though, so I'll probably take care of that after Rebirth. So far, I'd have to say that Truce at Bakura was the worst book so far. Black Fleet Crisis was boring, Crystal Star and Darksaber were hyper-dumb, but holy poo poo the Ssi-ruuk rubbed me in the wrongest way possible for some reason.
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Feb 14, 2014 05:48
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Halifax posted:This was actually the one gap in said roommate's collection. He's re-ordered it from Amazon, though, so I'll probably take care of that after Rebirth. Don't worry, the Ssi-ruuk get theirs in the NJO.
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Feb 14, 2014 06:51
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I have memories of liking the Ssi-ruuk. I also have memories of reading that book while staying at my Grandma's house, age 10, so that might also have something to do with it. Edit: I also loving loved Dinosaurs.
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Feb 14, 2014 09:27
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Halifax posted:This was actually the one gap in said roommate's collection. He's re-ordered it from Amazon, though, so I'll probably take care of that after Rebirth. I'm amazed that you think Truce at Bakura is worse than Crystal Star. I don't remember much about it other than that the Ssi-ruuk are dumb but I remember the writing being more competent than The Adventures of Han vs. Hiitler.
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Feb 14, 2014 13:26
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Carnaticum posted:Come on guys. Chrystal Star isn't all that bad. Have you read Planet of Twilight? No, but only because I read Children of the Jedi.
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Feb 14, 2014 15:01
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Jazerus posted:I'm amazed that you think Truce at Bakura is worse than Crystal Star. I don't remember much about it other than that the Ssi-ruuk are dumb but I remember the writing being more competent than The Adventures of Han vs. Hiitler. Objectively (as objective as you can be with things like books) Crystal Star was far worse. Personally, I was able to write it off a little easier than Bakura for some reason. I think part of it was that Bakura was my first step outside of the X-Wing series and into the mire of the rest of the EU so that probably had something (or a lot) to do with it.
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So I watched Empire Strikes Back last night; it's the first time I'd seen it since I was very young, and I was actually kind of disturbed by how everyone treats the droids. C3-PO and R2 come off as being pretty much sentient creatures, yet they're apparently programmed to only serve humans, and people are always talking about casually turning off C3-PO when he gets annoying (which, to be fair, he almost always is). That seems pretty horrifying to me: that you can have your consciousness turned off because you're an inconvenience. Are there any things in the EU which talk about the kind of weird civil rights situation of the droids?
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Pinball posted:So I watched Empire Strikes Back last night; it's the first time I'd seen it since I was very young, and I was actually kind of disturbed by how everyone treats the droids. C3-PO and R2 come off as being pretty much sentient creatures, yet they're apparently programmed to only serve humans, and people are always talking about casually turning off C3-PO when he gets annoying (which, to be fair, he almost always is). That seems pretty horrifying to me: that you can have your consciousness turned off because you're an inconvenience. Are there any things in the EU which talk about the kind of weird civil rights situation of the droids?
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Feb 14, 2014 18:57
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Urdnot Fire posted:Don't forget some droids apparently having pain sensors in their feet for some reason, as shown by the one another droid tortures in Jabba's Palace in ROTJ. EV-9D9 specifically installed special receptors into her 'captives' for the sole purpose of torturing them. She was a very sadistic droid.
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Feb 14, 2014 19:26
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Pinball posted:So I watched Empire Strikes Back last night; it's the first time I'd seen it since I was very young, and I was actually kind of disturbed by how everyone treats the droids. C3-PO and R2 come off as being pretty much sentient creatures, yet they're apparently programmed to only serve humans, and people are always talking about casually turning off C3-PO when he gets annoying (which, to be fair, he almost always is). That seems pretty horrifying to me: that you can have your consciousness turned off because you're an inconvenience. Are there any things in the EU which talk about the kind of weird civil rights situation of the droids? Yes. Most droid-centric stories, like the IG-88 and 4-LOM stories in Tales of the Bounty Hunter, either touch on this or make it the centerpiece. Droid planets with droid societies free from organic domination exist but most organics don't believe that they do.
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Feb 14, 2014 19:33
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I think I read The Truce at Bakura right after reading the Jedi Academy Trilogy, and at that point they were the only SW books I'd read, so it seemed alright. I dunno, even as a kid it was kinda boring. That didn't stop me from stealing it from my school library
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Feb 14, 2014 20:13
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Jazerus posted:Yes. Most droid-centric stories, like the IG-88 and 4-LOM stories in Tales of the Bounty Hunter, either touch on this or make it the centerpiece. Droid planets with droid societies free from organic domination exist but most organics don't believe that they do. Tangentially related: one of the cooler throwaway images in the Legacy comics was the world of Daluuj, which had rows of droid heads on spikes in the background. Nobody ever mentions this in the dialogue, or why they're there, so it's a neat little bit of creativity on the part of the artist. I think some RPG rulebook elaborated on it as a Yuuzhan Vong conquest.
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The biggest thing I remember from Crystal Star is Jedi Children who are bad got a force "Wet blanket" thrown over them so they couldn't use the force. And were tested with a lightbulb on a lightsaber handle. Truce at Bakura I barely remember beyond Luke being in a hover chair because of the zappings he got from Palpatine. Oh and that the entire thing would have been handled by either an Imperial Star Destroyer or a Mon Cal cruiser showing up and just flat out out classing the Ssi-Ruuk.
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Feb 15, 2014 02:08
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Any book containing a non-Mara love interest for Luke is poo poo no exceptions
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Calax posted:The biggest thing I remember from Crystal Star is Jedi Children who are bad got a force "Wet blanket" thrown over them so they couldn't use the force. And were tested with a lightbulb on a lightsaber handle. The early EU writers had a strange interest in making bizarre connections between reality and Star Wars like that. I'll have a cup of caf, Luke'll have some hot chocolate (so exotic!) and we'll all go to the tapcafe for the wet blanketing with
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WhyteRyce posted:Any book containing a non-Mara love interest for Luke is poo poo no exceptions This just made me ask myself "Is Wedge Antilles the Geordi LaForge of Star Wars?" I think he might be
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I don't even recall him being in to anyone before that second-last X-wing book. I think in one of the Wraith Squadron books he had some internal monologue about how not having a family was a bummer, but then dealt with it in the next scene by blowing up a Star Destroyer just by looking at it or something.
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Starfighters of Adumar has Wedge wooing his future spouse in it. He woos her by being the best pilot in the galaxy and funniest man alive at the same time. Also, Truce at Bakura, Chrystal Star and Children of the Jedi at least have interesting ideas, or at least memorable ideas in their plots. Planet of Twilight it about... a Hutt, I think, maybe?
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Wasn't that one about space plague? It was pretty loving grim if so...
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Der Luftwaffle posted:but then dealt with it in the next scene by blowing up a Star Destroyer just by looking at it or something. Okay, I need to read the X-Wing Books. I feel like a bad person for ignoring them.
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Personperson14 posted:Okay, I need to read the X-Wing Books. I feel like a bad person for ignoring them. They are the best books in the entire EU, even though half of them are from the perspective of
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Jazerus posted:They are the best books in the entire EU, even though half of them are from the perspective of Corran Horn may be a real Gary Stu, but I like what Stackpole did with him in I, Jedi.
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Der Luftwaffle posted:I don't even recall him being in to anyone before that second-last X-wing book. I think in one of the Wraith Squadron books he had some internal monologue about how not having a family was a bummer, but then dealt with it in the next scene by blowing up a Star Destroyer just by looking at it or something. In most of his non X-Wing related appearances, he's got somebody attached to his arm... including one of the lead designers for the Death Star during Jedi Academy. And just out of question, Does the Death Star book actually do anything for Dalaa's character? Or is it really just kinda pulpy?
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Calax posted:In most of his non X-Wing related appearances, he's got somebody attached to his arm... including one of the lead designers for the Death Star during Jedi Academy. Daala suffers a head injury in the course of the book, the implication is that she used to actually be brilliant.
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Zoran posted:Corran Horn may be a real Gary Stu, but I like what Stackpole did with him in I, Jedi. I, Jedi is a lot of fun to read after the Jedi Academy books, just for the sheer amount of "that KJA bullshit sure was dumb, huh?" that's in it. I think it might have worked better with Kyle Katarn than Corran if Kyle's story hadn't been reserved for the game writers, though.
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Calax posted:In most of his non X-Wing related appearances, he's got somebody attached to his arm... including one of the lead designers for the Death Star during Jedi Academy. There's another person he dates during the X-wing comics, too. Jazerus posted:I, Jedi is a lot of fun to read after the Jedi Academy books, just for the sheer amount of "that KJA bullshit sure was dumb, huh?" that's in it. I think it might have worked better with Kyle Katarn than Corran if Kyle's story hadn't been reserved for the game writers, though. I don't think it was that, so much as the idea of having video game stuff show up in books wasn't very common back then, even if it was acknowledged that they shared the same continuity, and the opposite (book stuff in games) did happen pretty frequently. Even the Rogue Squadron books, which were ostensibly spinoffs of the X-wing games, basically didn't use anything from the games besides some of the TIE variants and the scenario from the first chapter of the first book.
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Chairman Capone posted:I don't think it was that, so much as the idea of having video game stuff show up in books wasn't very common back then, even if it was acknowledged that they shared the same continuity, and the opposite (book stuff in games) did happen pretty frequently. Even the Rogue Squadron books, which were ostensibly spinoffs of the X-wing games, basically didn't use anything from the games besides some of the TIE variants and the scenario from the first chapter of the first book. Oh yes, both Xwing and Tie Fighter had a little set of mini tales attached. I've only read the Xwing ones where the main character is Keyan Farlander. Who's basically Luke, if he'd joined the rebellion earlier and didn't have an Obi-Wan. He got retconned into the Y-Wing at Yavin. Tie Fighter had Maarek Stele, who gets force sensitivity and he joins the same "order" that Mara Jade was a part of.
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Carnaticum posted:Also, Truce at Bakura, Chrystal Star and Children of the Jedi at least have interesting ideas, or at least memorable ideas in their plots. Planet of Twilight it about... a Hutt, I think, maybe? I think you're probably thinking about Darksaber, which had a Hutt make a new Death Star that looked like a giant lightsaber. The reason I think that's the one you're thinking is because Children of the Jedi, Darksaber, and Planet of Twilight make a sort of trilogy (between two of the worst Star Wars writers ever). Wasn't it dubbed something like the Callista trilogy? It was the worst. Just the worst. edit: Oops, nevermind, Planet of Twilight had a Hutt as well.
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Planet of Twilight not only had a Hutt, it had Admiral Daala's boyfriend who made Hutt porn.Calax posted:Tie Fighter had Maarek Stele, who gets force sensitivity and he joins the same "order" that Mara Jade was a part of. Aaron Allston of all people used Maarek Stele in one of his Fate of the Jedi books and basically completely wasted the character. Nothing about his Imperial past or Force-sensitivity is mentioned, he just appears as a smuggler friend of Lando's. Because that clearly makes perfect sense for the character.
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thrawn527 posted:edit: Oops, nevermind, Planet of Twilight had a Hutt as well. Not just a Hutt, but a Jedi Hutt, if I'm not much mistaken.
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Calax posted:IIRC both the in game characters for the Xwing and Tie Fighter games haven't ever been mentioned again. And they seem to have been almost retconned out of existance and/or into other characters (looking at you Baron Fel!) Farlander was a Jedi General during the Yuuzhan Vong war. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Ebaq Maarek Stele did some stupid stuff for Lando years later. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mission_to_Kessel
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YES! Jedi Hutt. That's why I remember the Hutts in that book. Also Leia reminiscing about some space-heroin dude and figuring out she's been poisoned with space-heroin. Or something. Seriously, worst book in the EU. Although maybe I just think that because I bought it for a long flight and got stuck with it. Disclaimer: I've only read all the Bantam era EU, and then only some the the NJO.
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Carnaticum posted:Disclaimer: I've only read all the Bantam era EU, and then only some the the NJO. You lucky bastard  Regarding the video game talk: the EU writers have never had issues with using the "video game only" characters in novels. Katarn gets a lot of mentions in the NJO and later stuff, and Jaden Korr even has his own pair of spin-off novels now.
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Katarn is mentioned twice in the NJO, he doesn't become a main Jedi character until the Dark Nest series. I actually think Denning of all people said he was told he couldn't use Katarn in Star by Star, although that's probably because knowing Denning he wanted to kill him. It's not that video game characters haven't appeared in novels, but they didn't start to do so until the mid-2000s. Even Zahn mentioned Zaarin from TIE Fighter and Revan and Malak from KOTOR in his most recent book, which is doubly shocking considering he generally doesn't do superfluous EU mentions.
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Chairman Capone posted:Planet of Twilight not only had a Hutt, it had Admiral Daala's boyfriend who made Hutt porn.  The whole Kessel subplot in one of the FOTJ books was really stupid. Kessel was going to blow up for whatever reason, so Allston namedrops a bunch of characters and it's boring as gently caress.
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