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Ok two scenes I liked. when Murphy's wife blocks him in the street and starts yelling at him "I can't do this alone, your son is scared", Murphy stares for a second then blasts off on his motorcycle. I don't know if it was intentional but the way it was cut made me laugh out loud. Also, when it exposes he is just a lung hand and face a single tear rolls down his cheek. It was so cheesy they can't have possibly missed that as filmmakers, right? Either way I laughed.
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I thought that scene you called cheesey was the best thing in the entire movie for me. I would've cried too. For hours. And hours if that's what I became. That's a horrifying fate. Absolutely awful.
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Feb 15, 2014 11:54
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It reminded me of Darth Vader bellowing noooooooooo. It didn't work for me as his whole transition felt so fast. A lack of weight, like I said earlier. For the record I like remakes just fine, especially when you can't tell they're remakes. Like Scarface, The Talented Mr. Ripley, John Carpenters The Thing, Reservoir Dogs, True Lies, etc even shameless rip offs like Fistful of Dollars bring their own value to the narrative. To each their own but this was borderline unwatchable.
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Feb 15, 2014 12:04
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Some Guy TT posted:There's actually only one screenwriter for this movie- Joshua Zeturner. Which I think goes a long way to explaining why there's such an unusual amount of narrative cohesion here for a studio film. It makes sense when you consider the franchise. Robocop's a big name, sure, but how exactly do you design it by committee when the appeal of the original is so difficult to discreetly quantify? A lot of it's just in how the concept sounds really cheesy. Just because there's only one name on the script, doesn't mean there's only one writer.
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Feb 15, 2014 12:31
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echronorian posted:It reminded me of Darth Vader bellowing noooooooooo. It didn't work for me as his whole transition felt so fast. A lack of weight, like I said earlier. For the record I like remakes just fine, especially when you can't tell they're remakes. Like Scarface, The Talented Mr. Ripley, John Carpenters The Thing, Reservoir Dogs, True Lies, etc even shameless rip offs like Fistful of Dollars bring their own value to the narrative. To each their own but this was borderline unwatchable. We're experiencing his transition as he does. Which is to say almost immediately, because he's been a coma for three months.
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Feb 15, 2014 15:11
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I really liked this movie, and I knew I was gonna from the moment Robocop breaks out of the iPod factory in rural China.
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Feb 15, 2014 15:15
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penismightier posted:I really liked this movie, and I knew I was gonna from the moment Robocop breaks out of the iPod factory in rural China. Wait, holy poo poo, really? gently caress me, now I gotta watch it in the theater. I've been letting too many movies slide.
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Feb 15, 2014 15:25
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Well yeah, of course RoboCop is built in China.
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Feb 15, 2014 15:28
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Slim Killington posted:Well yeah, of course RoboCop is built in China. Yeah, because that's where Omnicorp builds all their robots.
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Feb 15, 2014 15:32
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api call girl posted:Wait, holy poo poo, really? gently caress me, now I gotta watch it in the theater. I've been letting too many movies slide. It's worth a watch for the choice of end credits song alone.
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Feb 15, 2014 15:34
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CelticPredator posted:I thought that scene you called cheesey was the best thing in the entire movie for me. I would've cried too. For hours. And hours if that's what I became. That's a horrifying fate. Absolutely awful. I agree completely that it's a horrific scene - and certainly something done better in this film than the original - but it also raises interesting implications. Like, say if I were to be stricken with locked in syndrome, or suffer a broken neck, I'm pretty certain I'd take any kind of euthansia option I could as soon as possible. But if a solution like this was an alternative - horrendous as it is when it's revealed - it's surely something to consider, if not outright embrace. It's not our bodies that define us but our minds and as long as they are given the means to express themselves then everything's cool, right? (Okay yeah, I'd freak the gently caress out and probably wouldn't stop screaming for weeks if I were Murphy) Man, this film is frustratingly close to being genuinely good, I think it''s the IT'S ROBOCOP! baggage that prevents me from liking it as much as it deserves. It's hard to leave memories of Clarence, Dick, and the ultraviolence at the door man. But I am glad a mate persuaded me to see it.
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Sentinel Red posted:I agree completely that it's a horrific scene - and certainly something done better in this film than the original - but it also raises interesting implications. Like, say if I were to be stricken with locked in syndrome, or suffer a broken neck, I'm pretty certain I'd take any kind of euthansia option I could as soon as possible. But if a solution like this was an alternative - horrendous as it is when it's revealed - it's surely something to consider, if not outright embrace. It's not our bodies that define us but our minds and as long as they are given the means to express themselves then everything's cool, right? Yeah, I'd imagine this is something that Norton brings up when they're screening the other applicants. That one dude, the Philidelphia SWAT Murderball guy, would have freaked the gently caress out, gone all Robocop 2, and murdered a bunch of Chinese technicians before the ED-209s gunned him down. Not just because of his rage issues, but because the photo they used made sure that guy was proud of what remained of his body. The obese LAPD  guy probably would have worked better, maybe even better than Murphy, just because that guy had given up. Reduced to a couple lungs in a flask and a brain stem wouldn't be that much different from the shape he was in now.I don't think the black officer with cerebellar ataxia would have worked though, because he had cerebellar ataxia. I don't think his nerves would have handled the transition.
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Feb 15, 2014 16:12
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penismightier posted:It's worth a watch for the choice of end credits song alone. I would have loved it as a diegetic song somewhere within the movie, but I couldn't get out of the theatre fast enough when it played over the credits.
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Feb 15, 2014 16:29
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Sentinel Red posted:I agree completely that it's a horrific scene - and certainly something done better in this film than the original - but it also raises interesting implications. Like, say if I were to be stricken with locked in syndrome, or suffer a broken neck, I'm pretty certain I'd take any kind of euthansia option I could as soon as possible. But if a solution like this was an alternative - horrendous as it is when it's revealed - it's surely something to consider, if not outright embrace. It's not our bodies that define us but our minds and as long as they are given the means to express themselves then everything's cool, right? This is exactly, I think, why my wife was not disturbed by that scene like I was. I was really unnerved and felt just like Murphy, but my wife is a big fan of Ghost in the Shell, hates her body (both for genetic reasons and because she suffered severe injuries as a child) and has honestly wanted a full body prosthetic since forever. If she were in Murphy's...uh, shoes wouldn't be the right word, but if she were him, she would practically be cheering.
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Feb 15, 2014 16:34
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I think that's the entire reason we have the guitar scene. It's to show you that a prosthesis isn't you, no matter how much of your body it makes up. It's telling you early on in the film that no amount of RoboBody will ever overwrite who Murphy is.
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Feb 15, 2014 16:44
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To the poster who was confused as to why they wanted to kill Robocop it's because he solved his own murder so effectively, traced the corruption right back to the chief of police that OCP was scared he would be capable of going even further. They say that he could bring down the government with how corrupt it is and all the money being exchanged. He was a real threat but they can just pull the plug and bam, he's dead - until Oldman comes in, rips the the chip out that sends his signal out and Robocop proceeds to unleash justice. Also, while a little cheesy - I enjoyed the I Fought The Law over the credits, it was kind of dour at that point and BAM - I liken it to using Long Tall Sally at the end of Predators in that it helped me end it all on a smile.
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Feb 15, 2014 17:11
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Lotish posted:This is exactly, I think, why my wife was not disturbed by that scene like I was. I was really unnerved and felt just like Murphy, but my wife is a big fan of Ghost in the Shell, hates her body (both for genetic reasons and because she suffered severe injuries as a child) and has honestly wanted a full body prosthetic since forever. If she were in Murphy's...uh, shoes wouldn't be the right word, but if she were him, she would practically be cheering. Yeah, it's why I brought up the LAPD guy whose given up and the Philly SWAT guy whose probably in better shape than he was on the force, even sans legs, and how they'd likely react to being converted like Murphy. People are different and they're going to react different to prosthetics. I think hypothetically-speaking, whenever full body prosthetic bodies do become a reality and even more when and if they become affordable, they'll be popular with people with body issues and the elderly: why bother with parts naturally failing on you every couple of years when you can just replace everything in one go. You'll probably be on antibiotics and immunosuppressants forever, but guess what, you're already are on a shitload of drugs when you get to be 80 or so. Also, I kinda wish they had gotten a better kid actor, because, I know if my dad got turned into a cyborg when I was his age, I'd totally be living it up. It's like the end-all-be-all to "my dad can beat up your dad" arguments: "My dad's a robot, what now?". And you can forget about bullying, because RoboDad can spot bullies in CCTV, ride up and not even get off his bike, he'll just show up, point at his eyes, point at a surveillance camera, then point to the bully, and that's it, ain't no more bullying done to Murphy Jr. It'll suck to be a teenager, though.
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If you just watched your dad almost die and look down upon his corpse, it would be 100% different I imagine.
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Feb 15, 2014 17:15
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I'm a little disappointed we didn't get to see more of domestic RoboCop. Considering how tactile Murphy and his wife were in the opening I think it would have been interesting to see how things change with his new body.
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Feb 15, 2014 17:20
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Mr. Flunchy posted:I'm a little disappointed we didn't get to see more of domestic RoboCop. Considering how tactile Murphy and his wife were in the opening I think it would have been interesting to see how things change with his new body. I'm sure there's a porno about this. If not, there will be soon.
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Feb 15, 2014 17:48
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Sentinel Red posted:(Okay yeah, I'd freak the gently caress out and probably wouldn't stop screaming for weeks if I were Murphy) I know you're completely serious, and I would too, but the idea brings up an almost Galaxy Quest comedic scene:  : How are we doing today? : AAAAAAAAGH : Well, your Hello Scream was a shade shorter today. That's good. Are you hungry? : AAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH : Very well!
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CelticPredator posted:I thought that scene you called cheesey was the best thing in the entire movie for me. I would've cried too. For hours. And hours if that's what I became. That's a horrifying fate. Absolutely awful. Yeah, that scene was horrifying. I'm desensitized to exploding heads in film at this point, but that was truly unnerving. oh god the pumping lungs "Cheesey" (or is it cheezy?) to me is the original ED209 falling down the stairs. That in particular isn't the cheese - it's when it starts thrashing around and wailing like a stuck pig. I really hate forced comedic moments because the writers felt the audience needs one at a certain point, because it's obvious when they're forced. As another poster mentioned, a great decision here is that much of the tech works. Droids aren't randomly blowing people away (lol it blew up that guy for stealing milk! Those arrogant tech clowns - what.a.bunch.of.clowns!), a good part of the horror is just the continued level of abstraction society at large has from the control they exert of other nations/classes and the level of control they're simultaneously always under themselves. I was really expecting the reporter with the red beacon would get blown away at some point because hey, tech always fails doesn't it and lol dump vapid bitch got shredded!. You would never believe that society at large would accept this if the droids were unpredictable and in doing so it actually ends up making them more menacing in my view. I don't need the comedy relief beat ever 10 minutes which is just seemingly so typical for films of this ilk. And again, much of the tech is completely believable. Points again to the poster who mentioned that voice communication was crystal clear, it's pretty  I know but holy poo poo do I hate that in sci-fi where we have transporter technology and self-healing organs but voice communication is at the level of ham radio.That being said, I can completely understand people who's main critique of this film is that it's trying to straddle dark social commentary while simultaneously fetishizing the tech and violence. That's been a critique of Verhoven of course and in my view he always leaned more towards the latter too much for my liking, this somewhat leans the other way. It's always going to be a problem for films like this with big production budgets though, I think there's room for them as that budget is necessary to present this world as accurately as possible unless it's a dsytopian hellscape (which we've had plenty of), it's always going to be a Faustian bargain. So I accept it to a degree for this film personally, but it's definitely a valid critique.
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Feb 15, 2014 19:18
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penismightier posted:I really liked this movie, and I knew I was gonna from the moment Robocop breaks out of the iPod factory in rural China. I absolutely loved the leadup to that, especially since from the commercial you assume he's doing superhero stuff and landing in the Iron Man three point stance and it turns out he's in a rice paddy. Also, like two scenes later where he's talking to his wife on Skype and he looks like Darth Vader getting orders from the Emperor. Also, I was impressed at how dark the ending was, even if the second half was pretty muddled with generic action stuff. HUNDU THE BEAST GOD fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Feb 15, 2014 |
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Feb 15, 2014 19:53
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echronorian posted:Ok two scenes I liked. when Murphy's wife blocks him in the street and starts yelling at him "I can't do this alone, your son is scared", Murphy stares for a second then blasts off on his motorcycle. I don't know if it was intentional but the way it was cut made me laugh out loud. It should've cut like a second later but I love that that was his reaction to that little moppet.
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The beginning of this movie really didn't do anything for me. But when Robocop startsed investigating his own death things got excited and the plot flow alot better. In the end it kind of won me over. I feel its a lovely rear end PG13 remake but with heart in the right place. Much better than Total Recall remake. Now bring on the R rated Starship Trooper remake! My short score: Casting: very good lead: very solid story: good ideas here and there but its very sloppy directing: meh call back to the original masterpiece: not nearly enough Overall score, a generous 3 out of 5.
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Feb 15, 2014 19:59
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Happy_Misanthrope posted:Yeah, that scene was horrifying. I'm desensitized to exploding heads in film at this point, but that was truly unnerving. oh god the pumping lungs That scene is social commentary that's directly tied to the motivations OCP spells out: they don't care if it works, they just want the contract. This is one of many jokes in Robocop that are still relevant today. The humor is a strength of Robocop and also where it answers the existential questions being raised (what are the dangers of policing for profit?). This new one had some gags in it but they existed as exposition dumps in what looked like Samuel Jackson standing in front of a green screen for an afternoon.
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Feb 15, 2014 20:12
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There's good jokes in this one not signposted as jokes, like Murphy's code-switching.
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I guess it just didn't work for me. It wasn't al bad, but the chemistry between Murphy and his wife was so flat. So much time was spent on them it just pulled the rest of the movie apart for me. I don't need to know about Murphy's family. To me that was a really big change from the original that weakened the tone of the film. It didn't need to be a one to one remake as that isn't the right direction either but don't pad it out with a tepid love story. I would have way preferred more of seeing him as a cop or better establishing a clear street level villain.
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echronorian posted:That scene is social commentary that's directly tied to the motivations OCP spells out: they don't care if it works, they just want the contract. It's not that the ED209 failed navigating the stairs is the comedic moment that had me wincing (in fact I think the way it tries to evaluate the terrain in real-time and balance taking the risk vs following the target was very cleverly represented). That was "cute", but also believable - but when it fails, and then starts to spastically flail around with no purpose and more to the point, scream like an infant is where it jumped for me from laughing with the film to laughing at it. I mean, you would have to program for it to act that way, it's not a "glitch" - it would make no sense to program it to throw a tantrum if it couldn't reach an objective or is in distress except for an audience comedic moment. I feel it's so blatant that for me that it crosses over into cheese, and it also differentiates itself from the remake in that yes, the corporate overlords are myopic in their goals, but in the original their malevolence is far more blatant. People who cause harm on a large scale just don't usually act like that, they're more complex and can truly believe they are acting on good intentions and usually just have blinders on to the harm they're causing. Bear in mind I'm not saying RoboCop was a bad film, of course not - I absolutely loved it and it's a classic. It's just that I appreciate the remake didn't try and recreate the more heavy-handed satire and more comic-book style villainy of the first, at least that's how I see the characters now. Remember as well that in the original the proliferation of that tech is concentrated on one city. It the remake it's already deployed world-wide as military pacification for quite a while it seems and the level of tech is more integrated amongst the populance (granted the remake has that luxury to actually show that due to film tech), so chances are the tech is already well along past the beta stage at that point. Happy_Misanthrope fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Feb 15, 2014 |
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echronorian posted:Ok two scenes I liked. when Murphy's wife blocks him in the street and starts yelling at him "I can't do this alone, your son is scared", Murphy stares for a second then blasts off on his motorcycle. I don't know if it was intentional but the way it was cut made me laugh out loud. Also, when it exposes he is just a lung hand and face a single tear rolls down his cheek. It was so cheesy they can't have possibly missed that as filmmakers, right? Either way I laughed. Actually several tears rolled down his cheek, but only on the one side because his other eye wasn't real and probably didn't have tear ducts anymore. If you notice in a lot of the scenes when they are first focusing on his 'rehabilitation' he isn't blinking properly on that side of his face either.
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Caros posted:Actually several tears rolled down his cheek, but only on the one side because his other eye wasn't real and probably didn't have tear ducts anymore. If you notice in a lot of the scenes when they are first focusing on his 'rehabilitation' he isn't blinking properly on that side of his face either. Also, the whole zoom-in when he talks with his wife is done with that eye.
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One thing that stuck out to me is that they really didn't need Robocop to find all these hundreds of "potential arrests" in the city. Why couldn't a computer just analyze the constant CCTV cameras and identify people like the murderer in the crowd and then the Humancops could arrest him? They really played up the fact that Robocop could find all these criminals when really the only thing he's good for is being a lot tougher in combat. I really liked the movie, though. "I wouldn't buy that for a dollar" didn't seem as out of place as I would have thought; it seemed like something that character might say. On the other hand, "Dead or alive, you're coming with me" was in the trailer and seemed fine, but then he says it at a different scene in the movie and it felt kind of forced. The music choices were kind of strange, but I loved hearing Hocus Pocus in the training scene.
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wa27 posted:One thing that stuck out to me is that they really didn't need Robocop to find all these hundreds of "potential arrests" in the city. Why couldn't a computer just analyze the constant CCTV cameras and identify people like the murderer in the crowd and then the Humancops could arrest him? They really played up the fact that Robocop could find all these criminals when really the only thing he's good for is being a lot tougher in combat. Humancops hesitate before they shoot.
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Happy_Misanthrope posted:Yeah, that scene was horrifying. I'm desensitized to exploding heads in film at this point, but that was truly unnerving. oh god the pumping lungs Well, I'm not going to come at you again, but I very much disagree. I wouldn't call that cheesy. For me, the cheesiest scene in the whole film was The last confrontation with Sellers. That was just frustrating to watch. It didn't have any weight to it. And especially when Sellers decided to go all super evil and point the gun at Murphy's wife and kids. It didn't feel like a natural progression of that character. It almost felt like Sellers himself was a robot, and someone somewhere else just decided to turn up the "EVIL" meter. I didn't really feel a sense of relief that Sellers died. Despite people saying what he did, I really did not find that dude that horrible of a person. An rear end in a top hat, maybe. Could be that Keaton played him so well, I ended up liking him.  But he was no Dick Jones, who murdered people for calling him a mean name, and was in cahoots with the most evil mother fucker in the entire movie.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I absolutely loved the leadup to that, especially since from the commercial you assume he's doing superhero stuff and landing in the Iron Man three point stance and it turns out he's in a rice paddy. Also, like two scenes later where he's talking to his wife on Skype and he looks like Darth Vader getting orders from the Emperor. The reveal that it was a Skype call after all the "zoom ins" was just gutwrenching.
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Watched it, liked it. Didn't think the body horror stuff was graphic, just psychologically daunting. why did they carve away most of his body? the picture of him in the hospital pre-robo suit showed him just missing a leg and an eye. Also why didn't that explosion damage the garage door/shatter the windows/create a little crater?
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awesome-express posted:why did they carve away most of his body? the picture of him in the hospital pre-robo suit showed him just missing a leg and an eye. They say beforehand with Clara that he's suffered fourth degree burns pretty much everywhere, the tissue isn't salvageable. Makes more sense to lose a leg altogether and build a robotic one that can withstand more and perform better than a repaired human-meat leg wrapped in thin metal.
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Also Omnicorp cared more about having an efficient robot body than leaving him more human.
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muscles like this? posted:Also Omnicorp cared more about having an efficient robot body than having a man/bot cyborg. Exactly, that's the point of all that setup. "I'm not gonna lie to you." Norton even pops him apart like an action figure to demonstrate.
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I've heard in interviews that the creators weren't satisfied with the ED-209 in the original film due to budget concerns. They couldn't get the stop motion down right. The squealing is over the top but the thing's jerky movements didn't lend a disturbing air like the original Terminator, it was just distracting.Happy_Misanthrope posted:Bear in mind I'm not saying RoboCop was a bad film, of course not - I absolutely loved it and it's a classic. It's just that I appreciate the remake didn't try and recreate the more heavy-handed satire and more comic-book style villainy of the first, at least that's how I see the characters now. If anything the remake was more heavy handed because it took itself so seriously. Every Novak scene had someone in the theater yelling "FOX news!" and I'm surprised Sam L. didn't wink at the camera in several shots. I have to say the movie's biggest weakness is that it suffers from an identity crisis. The theme hits home hard and they couldn't have picked a better time to release it but the delivery is too hamfisted for it to be any more satirical than a segment from The Daily Show. But there's not enough action to really enjoy it as an action movie. The pacing is all over the place. By hour-thirty I'm looking at my phone wondering how they're going to wrap it up. There's no clear villain, no real goal of the main character. He's a passive protagonist who just stumbles into the next plot point. Even Omnicorp has a very reactionary attitude and you have to wonder "Is this really the actions of a multi-billion dollar global organization?" The original movie had a very clear plot and every character directly tied into each other. The remake has weird plot threads that are tangentially related and sloppily stitched together in the end with a rooftop showdown involving inept guards and big rear end robots. There are a lot of strong scenes, particularly the cold opener in Tehran, but so many plodding moments that slow it down. Did anyone else feel uncomfortable during the weird prolonged silent-staring-match-turned-sex-scene? Not what I call intimate. e: For me, Dredd was the RoboCop remake I wanted. Tightly paced, gorey, darkly humorous, main character is a walking death machine with a bit of internal conflict, clear plot and dastardly villain. I think RoboCop 2014 has some good scenes and is how a modern reboot should be but as a movie I doubt I'll ever watch it again because it just wasn't that entertaining. al-azad fucked around with this message at 02:45 on Feb 16, 2014 |
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