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Northwestern sticker or Loyola Chicago for 8k/year? She plans on staying in Chicago and doesn't want to work in biglaw.
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Feb 16, 2014 03:58
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Direwolf posted:Northwestern sticker or Loyola Chicago for 8k/year? She plans on staying in Chicago and doesn't want to work in biglaw. I don't want to play for the Miami Heat either.
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Feb 16, 2014 04:03
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evilweasel posted:I don't want to play for the Miami Heat either. About 50% of Northwestern grads are picked up by biglaw firms. Edit: And at Layola, that number is only 10%. Northwestern is basically a biglaw pipeline and Layola is a pipeline to the ominous "other employment" category. If she doesn't want to do biglaw but does want to practice law (what kind of law?) then neither are good options, but avoid Layola like the plague. Vox Nihili fucked around with this message at 05:01 on Feb 16, 2014 |
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Feb 16, 2014 04:57
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Yeah there is absolutely no reason to attend Loyola. I graduated from there in 08 and outside of the lucky few to make it to biglaw everyone else is screwed. In 08 a lot of folks were able to go to public interest jobs like state public defenders, but by 09 all the new hires had flipped from Depaul/Kent/Loyola to UChicago and Northwestern.
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Feb 16, 2014 05:51
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Direwolf posted:Northwestern sticker or Loyola Chicago for 8k/year? She plans on staying in Chicago and doesn't want to work in biglaw. Don't go, but Northwestern is much more likely to get her a reasonable paying job that isn't biglaw. Loyola is a pipeline to doc review or worse. I hope "not big law" is not "panda law."
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Feb 16, 2014 06:29
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It's not panda law, I'm pretty sure, but she's just really wary of the debt. She's worked as a paralegal at a small firm here for the past year and a half and I think that's what she has envisioned - I think Northwestern sticker is the better deal, worst case she can suffer some biglaw to knock out the debt and lateral somewhere she actually wants to be (and I went there) but I wanted to hear from someone who went there to confirm.
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Feb 16, 2014 08:42
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Direwolf posted:worst case she can suffer some biglaw to knock out the debt and lateral somewhere she actually wants to be This is a hundred steps up from the worst case.
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Feb 16, 2014 08:46
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Loyola student spotted: http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/chi/4206407056.html
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Feb 16, 2014 11:09
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Direwolf posted:It's not panda law, I'm pretty sure, but she's just really wary of the debt. She's worked as a paralegal at a small firm here for the past year and a half and I think that's what she has envisioned - I think Northwestern sticker is the better deal, worst case she can suffer some biglaw to knock out the debt and lateral somewhere she actually wants to be (and I went there) but I wanted to hear from someone who went there to confirm. She's not thinking about what it actually costs to attend Loyola. I had a half ride there so my tuition was something like $14k a year, but the cost of living in Chicago is enormous. Even if you live with roommates in a crappy apartment, don't go out very much, and work during school (all things I did) you'll still end up with oodles of debt and no reasonable way to pay it off. NU is a million times better - either go to biglaw and pay the debt off fast, or go to public interest law and PAYE for 10 years. Way better than going to Loyola and finding yourself 50k, if you're lucky, in a field without debt forgiveness. And of course, the teachers and administration at Loyola suck and have no interest whatsoever in helping you find employment. It was bad pre-08, I can't imagine it now.
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Feb 16, 2014 16:38
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mastershakeman posted:NU is a million times better - either go to biglaw and pay the debt off fast, or go to public interest law and PAYE for 10 years. Way better than going to Loyola and finding yourself 50k, if you're lucky, in a field without debt forgiveness. I chose a full-price T14 over a full scholarship to a T2-3 and I don't regret it. The career opportunities are worth the money.
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Feb 16, 2014 18:02
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Direwolf posted:Northwestern sticker or Loyola Chicago for 8k/year? She plans on staying in Chicago and doesn't want to work in biglaw. Don't go, but definitely don't go to Loyola.
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Feb 16, 2014 22:31
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mastershakeman posted:She's not thinking about what it actually costs to attend Loyola. I had a half ride there so my tuition was something like $14k a year, but the cost of living in Chicago is enormous. Don't forget the opportunity cost of wasting three years of your life not working and coming out the other end less employable than when you started 
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Feb 17, 2014 01:57
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Swingline posted:Don't forget the opportunity cost of wasting three years of your life not working and coming out the other end less employable than when you started you mean three years of learning to think like a lawyer
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Feb 17, 2014 04:16
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Tetrix posted:you mean three years of learning to drink like a lawyer Well, it's not all bad.
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Feb 17, 2014 08:52
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quepasa18 posted:Does anyone know how ten-year forgiveness works when you're on a 30-year payment plan? I don't qualify for IBR. I'm getting the impression that because I'm not on IBR and because I'm making lower payments than the standard 10-year repayment plan, I don't qualify for the forgiveness. You're right that the time you spend on a non-IBR (or the newfangled "Pay As You Earn" plan, which I know nothing about because it came into existence too late to benefit me) doesn't count towards ten-year forgiveness, but you're probably wrong about not qualifying for IBR. If IBR would have you paying less per month than 10-year standard repayment, then you qualify for IBR, period. Unless your loans are of the type that don't qualify for IBR/PSLF, in which case yeah, you're hosed.
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Feb 17, 2014 14:47
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Got into UCLA, likely paying sticker price or near there. Next best offer is from Cardozo Law with a full ride. I'm from NYC, no undergraduate student debt, and parents are willing to help out in the realm of 20k/year for law school no matter where I go. Waiting on some other responses from t14 (and other) schools, but I applied pretty late and am not holding my breath for it. Leaning towards pulling the trigger on UCLA. Thoughts?
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Feb 17, 2014 18:09
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SUPERIOR VENA CAVA posted:Got into UCLA, likely paying sticker price or near there. Next best offer is from Cardozo Law with a full ride. I'm from NYC, no undergraduate student debt, and parents are willing to help out in the realm of 20k/year for law school no matter where I go. Waiting on some other responses from t14 (and other) schools, but I applied pretty late and am not holding my breath for it. Leaning towards pulling the trigger on UCLA. Thoughts? Don't go.
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Feb 17, 2014 18:12
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CaptainScraps posted:Don't go. This, but if you decide to go for some reason, take a look at the placement statistics for each school. Cardozo places better than its ranking but as a median student you probably are better off at UCLA.
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Feb 17, 2014 18:16
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Draile posted:Cardozo places better than its ranking but as a median student you probably are better off at UCLA. This is true, but drat, paying sticker for UCLA while paying the cost of living in LA? I mean, even with the 20k/year from the parents, you're still going to be closing in on $200k in debt by the time you're done. http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=ucla
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Feb 17, 2014 18:49
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SUPERIOR VENA CAVA posted:Got into UCLA, likely paying sticker price or near there. Next best offer is from Cardozo Law with a full ride. I'm from NYC, no undergraduate student debt, and parents are willing to help out in the realm of 20k/year for law school no matter where I go. Waiting on some other responses from t14 (and other) schools, but I applied pretty late and am not holding my breath for it. Leaning towards pulling the trigger on UCLA. Thoughts? Do you have a job offer in hand that says in writing something along the lines of 'We will hire you after you get your law degree' ?
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Feb 17, 2014 19:11
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Lote posted:Do you have a job offer in hand that says in writing something along the lines of 'We will hire you after you get your law degree' ? That wouldn't even matter since he'd be an at will employee. Don't go to law school unless your parents are lawyers and want to hire you.
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Feb 17, 2014 22:46
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SUPERIOR VENA CAVA posted:Got into UCLA, likely paying sticker price or near there. Next best offer is from Cardozo Law with a full ride. I'm from NYC, no undergraduate student debt, and parents are willing to help out in the realm of 20k/year for law school no matter where I go. Waiting on some other responses from t14 (and other) schools, but I applied pretty late and am not holding my breath for it. Leaning towards pulling the trigger on UCLA. Thoughts? What is this late application stuff? If you're set on going to law school, take another year to do everything right. Save some money, retake the LSAT (if necessary), and send out your applications early. No reason to incur $150k in debt at UCLA for a 70% chance of getting a meaningful law job when you could do the same thing at a better school a year down the line. Law school is 3 years at $50k plus expenses per year. Remember that. Make sure you know whether there are any strings attached to the scholarships being handed out. They are often built so that a large fraction of those receiving them fail to qualify after their first year.
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Feb 17, 2014 23:07
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Also, do you plan on returning to the east coast? UCLA is not going to have the strength there as a similarly ranked east coast school. The only school that kind of defies regionalism might be yale. A stanford grad will have better options than a harvard grad out west and probably vice versa. UCLA has a large west coast alum network, but I doubt it has nearly as much on the east coast.
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Feb 17, 2014 23:12
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Has anyone had any luck landing writing jobs as a former attorney? Like copyrighter or seo stuff. That sort of thing interests me but I would like to know how to change gears and make myself more appealing to a potential employer.
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Feb 18, 2014 00:45
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Sorry for accidentally ignoring your pm Enigma. Check yours.
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Feb 18, 2014 01:38
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SUPERIOR VENA CAVA posted:Got into UCLA, likely paying sticker price or near there. Next best offer is from Cardozo Law with a full ride. I'm from NYC, no undergraduate student debt, and parents are willing to help out in the realm of 20k/year for law school no matter where I go. Waiting on some other responses from t14 (and other) schools, but I applied pretty late and am not holding my breath for it. Leaning towards pulling the trigger on UCLA. Thoughts? At the very least you need to wait, retake the LSAT this June, and reapply next year early. Also between the two options you posted Cardozo is the better one (assuming the scholarship isn't GPA-restricted, get that fine print before they shove you in the Attrition Section with all the other scholarship students) because UCLA will still be 150k of debt easily between out-of-state tuition and LA living expenses and you probably don't have any West Coast connections. If you have to go then live at home and go for free. But don't go, especially if you applied late. Get better options. Elotana fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Feb 18, 2014 |
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Feb 18, 2014 01:38
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Nitrousoxide posted:Has anyone had any luck landing writing jobs as a former attorney? Like copyrighter or seo stuff. That sort of thing interests me but I would like to know how to change gears and make myself more appealing to a potential employer. This actually literally was my path, but unfortunately I can't give you any applicable tips, as I sort of just lucked into it. A friend turned me on to a data entry temp project at this company, they hired me without even asking for a resume, and before the project ended, the copywriting job opened up. I applied for it and because I already had a reputation as World's Best Temp they hired me without caring about my past. I will tell you this though, copywriting also sucks balls (at least it does at this company, but it's a weird drat company so maybe my experience isn't indicative) so you're not necessarily that much better off. But it isn't impossible. Basically you'll want to position yourself as someone with a strong attention to detail, able to handle a large number of projects simultaneously while also being able to shift gears at a moment's notice, and also having strong communication skills, so you can collaborate with people from other departments, propose ideas, and offer and process feedback. A demonstrated ability to work with...let's call them "strong personalities" and handle pressure is a big plus. And obviously you'll need to write well. I suppose you can argue that all of these things can come from a career in law, you'll just want to prove that you can be creative, too. You'll also want to spell "copywriter" correctly  I'm not sure how you're meant to break into it, though. I've been trying to bail out of my job (which I've been at for 3 years) and all the other copywriting jobs I look at demand several years of experience. I don't think it's a booming field, not the good jobs anyway. You might try asking around in the freelancing threads in Ask/Tell. Maybe you can do some freelance work on the side to start things off and see if you can worm your way into something full time like that.
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Feb 18, 2014 02:16
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Elotana posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIAnkrPgTvY I disagree to some extent. A T2 v. a just barely out of the T14 school makes that at best a wash, even comparing out of region v. in region. Yes, it will be a lot of debt, but the UCLA grad will probably get a job, somewhere. Maybe not where you want, maybe not in the field you want, but a job. Carbozo probably won't do that. That said, the correct answer is not to go if the better option is $100k of debt for a job you might not want. The UCs are stingy as gently caress with scholarships, and even instate represent a bad value unless it is Boalt. I wouldn't go without an mid to upper T1 for free or a T14 at a discout. Maybe Yale, Harvard, and Stanford at sticker.
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Feb 18, 2014 03:22
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Thanks for the advice guys, but I'm pretty set on going this year for various reasons. I don't really care where I end up post-graduation, and employment statistics for UCLA are comparatively way more reassuring than for Cardozo. Really not sure how to feel about the idea of waiting a year, living at home, then blowing like $1000 on reapplying to law schools when I'm already accepted at a t20. Edit: the scholarship I have at Cardozo requires me to remain in the top 80% of the class, aka above a 2.97 GPA. But I think even regional ties don't outweigh competition from NYU/Columbia for biglaw jobs in the area. SUPERIOR VENA CAVA fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Feb 18, 2014 |
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Feb 18, 2014 03:32
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SUPERIOR VENA CAVA posted:Thanks for the advice guys, but I'm pretty set on going this year for various reasons. I don't really care where I end up post-graduation, and employment statistics for UCLA are comparatively way more reassuring than for Cardozo. Really not sure how to feel about the idea of waiting a year, living at home, then blowing like $1000 on reapplying to law schools when I'm already accepted at a t20. Most of this is reasonable, but you shouldn't ask the thread for advice if you've already made up your mind. Also, I want you to come back to this post in three years and reread "I don't really care where I end up post-graduation" so you can marvel at how short-sighted you were. Lots of people want to go to law school but so many of them don't realize that they're supposed to become lawyers afterward.
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Feb 18, 2014 03:46
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SUPERIOR VENA CAVA posted:Thanks for the advice guys, but I'm pretty set on going this year for various reasons. I don't really care where I end up post-graduation, and employment statistics for UCLA are comparatively way more reassuring than for Cardozo. Really not sure how to feel about the idea of waiting a year, living at home, then blowing like $1000 on reapplying to law schools when I'm already accepted at a t20. Why would you possibly care about spending $1000 to reapply when if you go to UCLA you will come out with over $100,000 in debt?
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Feb 18, 2014 03:52
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SUPERIOR VENA CAVA posted:Thanks for the advice guys, but I'm pretty set on going this year for various reasons. I don't really care where I end up post-graduation, and employment statistics for UCLA are comparatively way more reassuring than for Cardozo. Really not sure how to feel about the idea of waiting a year, living at home, then blowing like $1000 on reapplying to law schools when I'm already accepted at a t20. Those various reasons probably aren't worth ruining your life for. You have a good shot at ruining your life by going to law school. Please stop, think more and let fear set in.
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Feb 18, 2014 04:13
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SUPERIOR VENA CAVA posted:I don't really care where I end up post-graduation Do you even want to be a lawyer?
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Feb 18, 2014 04:55
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SUPERIOR VENA CAVA posted:Thanks for the advice guys, but I'm pretty set on going this year for various reasons. I don't really care where I end up post-graduation, and employment statistics for UCLA are comparatively way more reassuring than for Cardozo. Really not sure how to feel about the idea of waiting a year, living at home, then blowing like $1000 on reapplying to law schools when I'm already accepted at a t20. I have $150,000 in student loans. I have $1500 in payments every month. I have 161 more payments to go. That is what I got from law school.
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Feb 18, 2014 04:57
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Green Crayons posted:Including unemployed and unemployable? Technically not unemployed, since he wouldn't have a job to be unemployed from, and therefore not be eligible for the pittance that unemployment is. As such he wouldn't be counted in the official unemployment numbers! He'd just be jobless.
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Feb 18, 2014 05:17
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SUPERIOR VENA CAVA posted:Got into UCLA, likely paying sticker price or near there. Next best offer is from Cardozo Law with a full ride. I'm from NYC, no undergraduate student debt, and parents are willing to help out in the realm of 20k/year for law school no matter where I go. Waiting on some other responses from t14 (and other) schools, but I applied pretty late and am not holding my breath for it. Leaning towards pulling the trigger on UCLA. Thoughts? I got offered a full ride at Cardozo in 2009 and not taking it was the single best decision of my entire life, hth.
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Feb 18, 2014 05:34
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mastershakeman posted:Technically not unemployed. . . As such he wouldn't be counted in the official unemployment numbers! He'd just be jobless. That's not true.
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Feb 18, 2014 07:55
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MoFauxHawk posted:That's not true. Yep. If you're looking for work and can't find it then you would count in the U3 statistics. How you got to the point of not having a job is irrelevant.
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Feb 18, 2014 08:14
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Really? I thought anyone not actually collecting unemployment wouldn't be on the u-3, including people that had been receiving benefits then lost them after they were cut off after 6 months.
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Feb 18, 2014 14:51
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mastershakeman posted:Really? I thought anyone not actually collecting unemployment wouldn't be on the u-3, including people that had been receiving benefits then lost them after they were cut off after 6 months. Anyone seeking work who does not have it is counted in the u-3. You may be thinking of the fact that "discouraged workers" - people who are so defeated by their lack of job prospects that they have simply given up looking - are not included in the u-3.
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