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Black's just controlling the centre here. I don't know how white's going to manage this one.
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Tarezax posted:It appears to me that Black is going to lose the capturing race in the mid left unless he prevents white from making an eye on his dragon. G9. Even then, I dunno. White has many liberties.
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Tarezax posted:It appears to me that Black is going to lose the capturing race in the mid left unless he prevents white from making an eye on his dragon. G9. Xom fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Feb 14, 2014 |
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Feb 14, 2014 16:30
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Also nvm about being able to win without g9, since Black has to let go of g13 to avoid losing the race (seki results instead), which is what happened in the actual game, resulting in W+6.5.
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Feb 14, 2014 16:39
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silvergoose posted:I uh missed the entire bottom row. I might still be right? I can't comprehend your image at 3 AM, sorry, and I'm also bad at this game.
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Feb 14, 2014 16:47
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The second book of Go is being delivered from Hong Kong for some reason, but I got my books today! There's also this free "Korean style of Baduk" that I might be interested in. Get ready for crazy fights and a kill everything mentality.  
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Kheldragar posted:The second book of Go is being delivered from Hong Kong for some reason, but I got my books today! There's also this free "Korean style of Baduk" that I might be interested in. Get ready for crazy fights and a kill everything mentality. Direction of Play is a great book, even with so many getting translated now. Don't know that Korean book; the only one I've read is the second '100 Tips for amateur players'. It was refreshingly good and surprising in the matter-of-fact way it just laid out a 'this is how you punish a play like this good' style. Seems like there are too many books to choose from, now. Would love to hear how you get on with that one, freebie or not!
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Read the poo poo out of A&D because if you don't know it backward and forward you won't be able to get to shodan.
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where were you able to find attack and defense for less than 60$? or are you just that hardcore
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nvm, found that gogameguru has all the books.
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Is A&D out of print or something? I got mine fairly cheap years ago. Those are some good book choices. Direction of Play is the most beat-up dog-eared book I own. You can skip forward in chapters when he starts getting too deep into discussions. Great book.
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All of the books in that series are ridiculously expensive on Amazon, but on gogameguru they are all 17.99
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It'd be cool if they started to convert them to e-books. I like paper format better but if I could get a few books for $20 rather than just one, it would be worth it. Then again like it'd be priced any better.
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Excellent purchases Khel although I would have swapped direction of play for the second book of go, simply because you should fully internalise the fundamentals before a book like that. I sit for an age at the goban with that book and find myself going, 'Jesus this can't matter that much.' Its really detailed and the fundamentals series are much better choices. Direction is a Dan book imo
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oiseaux morts 1994 posted:Excellent purchases Khel although I would have swapped direction of play for the second book of go, simply because you should fully internalise the fundamentals before a book like that. I sit for an age at the goban with that book and find myself going, 'Jesus this can't matter that much.' Its really detailed and the fundamentals series are much better choices. Direction is a Dan book imo I still bought it, but for some reason it's shipped from somewhere els, so I have to wait longer before getting it.  uranus posted:All of the books in that series are ridiculously expensive on Amazon, but on gogameguru they are all 17.99 Is A&D some weird, out of print rare book or is everyone just hoping you won't find Gogameguru? AdorableStar fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Feb 15, 2014 |
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A&D is standard fare for English go books, it just isn't sold well on Amazon because it's niche. GGG Store is where I buy all my books
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Kheldragar posted:I still bought it, but for some reason it's shipped from somewhere els, so I have to wait longer before getting it. My guess is that GGG buys bulk from the go publishers and ship it and that's really cheap. Amazon keeps everything in small quantities in their warehouses and that's really expensive. Maybe they even have the print licence and that's even cheaper.
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I would use it just for the timestamps. Cgoban-h Edit: New link! There's also a list of features here Thanks lemons! 
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Feb 15, 2014 14:10
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Black to live. Probably easy for most of you but it felt great to find during the game when I had barely any time left on my clock. edit: i found some more variations that i haven't considered it seems black still lives but it's messy so I'm a bit doubtful right now.
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Feb 15, 2014 18:23
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IMlemon posted:Black to live. Probably easy for most of you but it felt great to find during the game when I had barely any time left on my clock. F19? I'm pretty bad so that might be completely wrong
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uranus posted:All of the books in that series are ridiculously expensive on Amazon, but on gogameguru they are all 17.99 I think the prices on Amazon are for Ishi press originals.
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IMlemon posted:Black to live. Probably easy for most of you but it felt great to find during the game when I had barely any time left on my clock. edit: i found some more variations that i haven't considered it seems black still lives but it's messy so I'm a bit doubtful right now. It looks like the move is C19. This buys enough eyespace to then throwin for b at E19. It protects the miai throw-ins of C19/J19 and the cut at the weak area D17. It's a tricky one but that's what I see?
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impulse 7 effect posted:It looks like the move is C19. This buys enough eyespace to then throwin for b at E19. It protects the miai throw-ins of C19/J19 and the cut at the weak area D17. Yes I think you are correct. I went over the variations in more detail after the game and I couldn't find a way for white to kill after c19. In game I played H17 first to threaten the sequence Under 15 posted. He threw in at C19 but after D19 both J19 and H15 give me life from what I can see. In the actual game he threw in at J19 I ignored to play H15 and connected. IMlemon fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Feb 15, 2014 |
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Feb 15, 2014 21:42
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I started playing Go with my friend about a week ago and he has wiped the floor with me, since he has about a year of playing experience while I'm a complete beginner. No matter, it has still been fun. So far we've played on a 13x13 board and he has given me nine stones in the beginning (I've always been black) and even with this the least I've been beaten with is by 22 points. But in that game I also managed to capture five stones from him, which is the biggest successful experience of strategic thinking in the game I've had so far. I've played only ten games or so, but I've enjoyed Go and want to play more.  I think about practicing against an AI, reading some beginner's guides and watching Youtube videos. I've yet to exhaust the OP's information and links also.Speaking of which, where are those images in the OP from, like this one?  They are really funny and I want to see more. Is there a book where I can find them?
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Rurik posted:I started playing Go with my friend about a week ago and he has wiped the floor with me, since he has about a year of playing experience while I'm a complete beginner. No matter, it has still been fun. So far we've played on a 13x13 board and he has given me nine stones in the beginning (I've always been black) and even with this the least I've been beaten with is by 22 points. But in that game I also managed to capture five stones from him, which is the biggest successful experience of strategic thinking in the game I've had so far. Welcome to the game, and to a lifetime of addiction. I should point out, however, that capturing stones is not a strategic matter, but a tactical one. Many a game has been lost by a player fixated on capturing a few stones and failing to think about whether or not that actually advances the larger strategic goal of taking more territory than the other guy. Generally speaking, in a high handicap game, if Black is capturing White's stones, it's because White intended to sacrifice them.
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Rurik posted:They are really funny and I want to see more. Google images search for "igo ukiyo-e" seems to do the trick.
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xopods posted:Welcome to the game, and to a lifetime of addiction. No crap. this idea has made me kinda paralyzed when it comes to taking stones because I keep thinking "what if this is what they WANT me to do?"
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xopods posted:Welcome to the game, and to a lifetime of addiction. If your opponet is playing Tengen, you must kill the Tengen stone. No matter what. Even if you lose the game.
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xopods posted:Google images search for "igo ukiyo-e" seems to do the trick. Yeah, the samurai's name in the picture is Tadanobu, if that helps.
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Pander posted:No crap. this idea has made me kinda paralyzed when it comes to taking stones because I keep thinking "what if this is what they WANT me to do?" The key is in remembering that not all stones are equal: (1) Is it the cutting stone that's separating two of your groups? Is at least one of those groups weak? If so, then by all means, try to capture it. (2) Is it loosely connecting other stones of the opponent's? Will attacking or capturing it split the opponent into several groups? If so, then by all means, try to capture it. (3) Is it located in an area where you stand to make a lot of territory if your opponent fails to make a living group? If so, then by all means try to capture it on a large scale. (In this case, trying to capture too directly may allow your opponent to make sabaki and discard it to make other stones live in that area.) If the stone is not doing one of those three things - cutting you, connecting himself, or reducing your territorial framework - then it is a garbage stone, and attacking it is likely a bad idea.
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xopods posted:Welcome to the game, and to a lifetime of addiction. Thank you. quote:I should point out, however, that capturing stones is not a strategic matter, but a tactical one. Many a game has been lost by a player fixated on capturing a few stones and failing to think about whether or not that actually advances the larger strategic goal of taking more territory than the other guy. Generally speaking, in a high handicap game, if Black is capturing White's stones, it's because White intended to sacrifice them. I can imagine this being so, but so far even capturing my friend's stones has been an achievement. I shall learn to crawl before I attempt to walk, or run for that matter. quote:Google images search for "igo ukiyo-e" seems to do the trick. Under 15 posted:Yeah, the samurai's name in the picture is Tadanobu, if that helps. Thanks, that helped! Ukiyo-e art looks cool and interesting, I'll have to make myself familiar with it.
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I just played a game that turned out pretty even, so i think it would be a good game to post here for comments. Also, why did I screw my invasion up in the lower left corner? Should I have haned? (that group was really totally dead) http://online-go.com/game/503024
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Svartvit posted:I just played a game that turned out pretty even, so i think it would be a good game to post here for comments. Also, why did I screw my invasion up in the lower left corner? Should I have haned? (that group was really totally dead)
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Feb 16, 2014 22:02
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Are any iOS Go apps worth a drat? There are quite a few Go apps on the App Store but none of them look like they get much use.
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terre packet posted:Are any iOS Go apps worth a drat? There are quite a few Go apps on the App Store but none of them look like they get much use. SmartGo Kifu is the tits.
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My most recent full size game, played live this time. http://online-go.com/game/503248 I lost two huge groups pretty early on due to retarded idiot mistakes, but still managed to win it by 12.5. Mostly cause my opponent was really helpful in assisting me with constructing my borders.
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uranus posted:My most recent full size game, played live this time. http://online-go.com/game/503248
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Xom posted:In the final position, Black has some cutting points that still need fixing. yeah i was not confident in my ability to live after poking into the center.
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