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BAFTAs starting 21 GMT. Is anyone doing a thread? I wouldn't mind a British palate cleanser after the last couple of U.S. shows.
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Feb 16, 2014 19:38
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PriorMarcus posted:I don't want to go into the thread because I want to avoid details, but is True Detective really going all Lovecraft? I don't think it's meant literally, but the series is definitely fascinated by a sect of humanity and the aspect of the psyche that would render him as gospel, if that makes sense.
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Feb 16, 2014 20:08
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PriorMarcus posted:I don't want to go into the thread because I want to avoid details, but is True Detective really going all Lovecraft? Nah, they've made it this far with absolutely no supernatural elements.
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Feb 16, 2014 20:09
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With The Americans Did they ever just finally admit that they love each other? That whole thing really turned me off the show. I got tired of them flipping back and forth every week. Ohhh I love my husband/wife this week, but then he does something and now I will never love him/her again... Until next week when I fall in love with him/her again.
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Feb 16, 2014 20:21
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PriorMarcus posted:I don't want to go into the thread because I want to avoid details, but is True Detective really going all Lovecraft? If you're specifically talking about things getting supernatural, in an interview the showrunner said: quote:But the important thing, I think, is that there is a realistic explanation for everything. [...] There’s no evidence to suggest that the things we’ve seen are the result of anything supernatural. Ritualism, some sort of worship is implied in the murder, but there’s nothing supernatural. Reality is the dread, and that’s probably where the line’s drawn. So we can touch these things and by doing so provide avenues for layers of meaning to settle and refract and resonate, but we don’t strictly-speaking break from the realist mode. There were some other words in the paragraph about something happening to one of the protagonists in the second episode that I suppose I won't spoil. The spoilered bit is clearly an influence but I don't think its going to be a big part of whats actually happening.
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Feb 16, 2014 20:26
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It's an ongoing issue. Their lives are complicated and she's still pretty much a true believer in the Soviet cause.
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Feb 16, 2014 20:26
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DurosKlav posted:With The Americans Did they ever just finally admit that they love each other? That whole thing really turned me off the show. I got tired of them flipping back and forth every week. Ohhh I love my husband/wife this week, but then he does something and now I will never love him/her again... Until next week when I fall in love with him/her again. Mu Zeta posted:It's an ongoing issue. Their lives are complicated and she's still pretty much a true believer in the Soviet cause. The end of last season is a pretty strong hint that regardless of whatever differences they have in loyalty to the cause, Elizabeth wants to be with Phillip. To me, telling her husband/partner to "come home" in the Russian she's forbidden from speaking is about as good as an "I love you." But yes, it is a complicated situation -- honestly their love for each other was never in question, their problems came from the way that love opened them up to be hurt in ways they just weren't ready for -- and I'd be surprised if they no longer had any differences with each other. However, Joe Weisberg spoke about the general gist of Season 2 in a recent interview. To paraphrase: If the first season was the story of a marriage, the second season would be the story of a family. So it's kind of a good news/bad news situation depending on how you feel about the teen actors. Personally I think they're doing a fine job, so I'm down to see them try and lift heavier material. DivisionPost fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Feb 16, 2014 |
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Feb 16, 2014 20:39
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My jaw just literally dropped watching the first episode of House of Cards season 2.
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Feb 16, 2014 21:26
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muscles like this? posted:My jaw just literally dropped watching the first episode of House of Cards season 2.
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Feb 16, 2014 21:33
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Usually if something shocking happens I will yell at the screen but this was so insane I was also completely speechless.
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Feb 16, 2014 21:36
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Brought to my attention by @ChadLindberg. Related to the current discussion insofar as looking at this is kinda like getting hit by a train.
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Feb 16, 2014 21:38
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DivisionPost posted:Brought to my attention by @ChadLindberg. Related to the current discussion insofar as looking at this is kinda like (vague-ish) getting hit by a train. I'm not that bothered myself but that spoiler isn't that vague and I kind of put two and two together to figure out a House of Cards twist.
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Feb 16, 2014 21:42
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PriorMarcus posted:I'm not that bothered myself but that spoiler isn't that vague and I kind of put two and two together to figure out a House of Cards twist. Still, I'm so sorry. I've edited out the parenthetical. (I don't watch HoC, but I kind of wasn't surprised to hear about it since that was one of the major beats of the original series. I assume you figured it out that way?)
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Feb 16, 2014 21:45
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DivisionPost posted:Still, I'm so sorry. I've edited out the parenthetical. It's cool man, don't worry about it. The picture however is so horrifying maybe you should be sorry.  EDIT: Just saw you're edit and yep.
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Feb 16, 2014 21:48
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muscles like this? posted:My jaw just literally dropped watching the first episode of House of Cards season 2. I swear I picked the OH SHI thread tag without knowing anything about the season. I was as surprised as you were. Just wait til you get to the last half of episode 4. It's like 20 minutes of jaw dropping further and further in slow motion. Some people are saying season 2 isn't as good as season 1, and even if season 2 were just the first 6 episodes, that would not be true. I just wish they'd filmed seasons 2 and 3 back to back so they could roll out 3 before the end of this year...
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Feb 16, 2014 22:14
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DivisionPost posted:The end of last season is a pretty strong hint that regardless of whatever differences they have in loyalty to the cause, Elizabeth wants to be with Phillip. To me, telling her husband/partner to "come home" in the Russian she's forbidden from speaking is about as good as an "I love you." But yes, it is a complicated situation -- honestly their love for each other was never in question, their problems came from the way that love opened them up to be hurt in ways they just weren't ready for -- and I'd be surprised if they no longer had any differences with each other.
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Feb 16, 2014 23:05
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Sober posted:...whereas The Americans is more of a period piece and probably one of the closest things to talking about arranged marriages as you can get with North American fiction. That's why I was so into it. The spycraft stuff was cool, but you can tell that it really wanted to be a love story just as much as it wanted to be a spy thriller, and its love story is actually really drat clever: a couple that falls in love after 20 years in an arranged marriage, and how their newfound feelings jeopardize the purpose of that marriage. I think most people are confused when they criticize the so-called will-they/won't-they aspect; Phillip and Elizabeth are absolutely 100% in love with each other, and if they were asked by a hypothetical therapist, they'd probably admit as much without any hand-wringing. The drama isn't mined from that; it's mined from the two of them a.) having no idea how to handle their newfound feelings for each other while b.) treading carefully around a suspicious Russian bureaucracy. Trying to deal with all that makes them stupid and gets them hurt in ways they never expected to be. When Elizabeth sends Phillip away, it's partly because Phillip slept with his old flame and her distrustful nature kicked in, sure. But it's also because she thinks she can will things back to the way they were, where she wouldn't have such intense feelings and it wouldn't gently caress with her so much. She slowly started to come around as the season marched on, so by the time she gets shot and nearly dies, she can accept that she loves Phillip and simply can't get on without him. I found that to be uplifting and romantic in a way even the best prestige dramas simply aren't. That's not to say that it's immune to criticism: if the mid-season relationship floundering doesn't work for someone at a gut level, no words can make it magically work. I'm just saying that I responded to something better than other people did; and even then, I admit that it works better when taken as a whole. YET ANOTHER EDIT: This is all coming from my memory of the show, which is about a year old at this point, so I might be off base on some of these points. I was thinking about rewatching the pilot anyway...might even re-watch the whole season. DivisionPost fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Feb 16, 2014 |
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Feb 16, 2014 23:35
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Jamie Coots, the preacher from National Geographic's Snake Salvation, has died. The cause of death should not come as a surprise. Here's the crazy thing: I knew Jamie -- He and his father were regular customers at the auto parts shop where I work. I didn't know Jamie was into snake-handling until he stopped by the shop this past summer about a week before it premiered and mentioned they were doing a TV show about him. I just knew them as coal miners: a patient, kindly lot that knew what they were looking for but weren't afraid to ask for help if they were stumped on car trouble. I mean, that was the extent of my interaction with them - I don't know what kind of picture the show paints of them, I still haven't had the chance to see any of it. I work smack-dab in the middle of it and it's just one of those unspoken, understood rules that snake-handling preachers carry with them a certain amount of socio/psychological baggage, and I think Jamie knew that just as well as anybody. Just from keeping my ear to the ground, I don't think a lot of people around here view this as a tragedy; they're sad that it happened, but I don't think anyone didn't see it coming. I'm not looking for any condolences, it's just one of those funny things you have to stop and reflect on when someone you've known on a fairly regular, friendly basis just flat-out stops being there anymore.
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Feb 17, 2014 00:45
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DivisionPost posted:That's why I was so into it. The spycraft stuff was cool, but you can tell that it really wanted to be a love story just as much as it wanted to be a spy thriller, and its love story is actually really drat clever... No, I had the same complaints during that stretch of the season then realized it wasn't primarily a spy thriller and it's more set dressing and promptly thought I was stupid for thinking otherwise.
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Feb 17, 2014 00:46
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I was planning on rewatching season 1 of House of Cards before starting season 2 since I haven't seen it since it first came out, but you guys are really making me want to just jump right into season 2.
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Feb 17, 2014 05:45
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I would rather sever my fingers than rewatch House of Cards s1.
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Feb 17, 2014 05:47
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I'd love to see some more spoiler-free thoughts on House of Cards in this thread, given how dangerous the main thread is spoiler-wise. I'm surprise the handful of people that have posted thoughts have been so positive-- I just finished the fifth episode, and while the first was fantastic I thought episodes 2-5 were varying levels of mediocre. It feels like season 1 was a high-stakes political thriller with eleventh-dimensional chess played by a hammy Iago, whereas season 2 (very vague spoilers about episodes 2-5) is mostly about day-to-day low-stakes political maneuvering by a bored Joe Biden.
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Feb 17, 2014 05:58
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I thought season two was good (not great) but I have much the same problem with it that I did with the first season of House of Cards; there's nobody to route for. Everyone is an assbutt, and the few characters who aren't deplorable are just going to get poo poo on through their entire existence. Season two also suffers from a lack of Russo, who was a very impressive part of the first series. I gave HoC S2 four-out-of-five stars on the Netflix rating tool. It's incredibly acted and spins a good yarn, but it is also unpleasant.
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Feb 17, 2014 06:22
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Sober posted:No, I had the same complaints during that stretch of the season then realized it wasn't primarily a spy thriller and it's more set dressing and promptly thought I was stupid for thinking otherwise. But then you have utterly badass moments like the way Philip and Elizabeth dealt with the hitman that wouldn't step down or the "message" that Elizabeth delivered to Granny('s face) and you're totally okay with that.
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Feb 17, 2014 06:35
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Holy poo poo the last episode of Hannibal was incredible and I have no idea how season two will be able to top it. However, the trailer looks like it might find a way.
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Feb 17, 2014 06:37
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mancalamania posted:I'd love to see some more spoiler-free thoughts on House of Cards in this thread, given how dangerous the main thread is spoiler-wise. I'm surprise the handful of people that have posted thoughts have been so positive-- I just finished the fifth episode, and while the first was fantastic I thought episodes 2-5 were varying levels of mediocre. It feels like season 1 was a high-stakes political thriller with eleventh-dimensional chess played by a hammy Iago, whereas season 2 (very vague spoilers about episodes 2-5) is mostly about day-to-day low-stakes political maneuvering by a bored Joe Biden. ...how could you say that about episode 4? That was absolutely amazing and out of nowhere, and Robin Wright deserves an Emmy nod.
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Feb 17, 2014 07:36
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Yea man hannibal so good.
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Feb 17, 2014 07:56
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Just caught up on True Detective. poo poo, what a good show. That intro is amazing, too. Maybe the strongest start to an HBO show in quite a while.
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Feb 17, 2014 08:10
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I got really fed up with True Detectives five minutes into the first episode because the dialogue and acting were so exaggerated that I couldn't actually understand what the characters were saying.
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Feb 17, 2014 08:24
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:I'm not looking for any condolences, it's just one of those funny things you have to stop and reflect on when someone you've known on a fairly regular, friendly basis just flat-out stops being there anymore. Thanks for sharing this. It's always a nice reminder that the crazy characters we see on these reality shows are real human beings with history and relationships. We mock them so much, so it's good to remember they are people too.
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Feb 17, 2014 08:53
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scary ghost dog posted:I got really fed up with True Detectives five minutes into the first episode because the dialogue and acting were so exaggerated that I couldn't actually understand what the characters were saying. You're a real ray of sunshine this page, scary ghost dog.
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Feb 17, 2014 09:51
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scary ghost dog posted:I got really fed up with True Detectives five minutes into the first episode because the dialogue and acting were so exaggerated that I couldn't actually understand what the characters were saying. I actually kind of agree, but you get used to their mannerisms very fast. Harrelson is by-the-books Woody, but McConaghy has really stepped his game up.
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Feb 17, 2014 10:32
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scary ghost dog posted:I got really fed up with True Detectives five minutes into the first episode because the dialogue and acting were so exaggerated that I couldn't actually understand what the characters were saying. How ironic that this post is so exaggerated, I got fed up five words into it.
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Feb 17, 2014 11:05
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I wasn't exaggerating with that description. It was like I had a fit while the camera was encircling the crime scene and it kept fading between that and characters soliloquizing about how weird they were. Next thing I knew my TV was tuned to 24.
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Feb 17, 2014 11:20
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The acting and accents are really thick and it will probably take you at least two or three episodes to adjust to it, but the single take heist in episode 4 is really amazing and you should pick up there if you dropped it in episode 1.
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Feb 17, 2014 11:59
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scary ghost dog posted:I wasn't exaggerating with that description. It was like I had a fit while the camera was encircling the crime scene and it kept fading between that and characters soliloquizing about how weird they were. Next thing I knew my TV was tuned to 24. Between True Detective and Hannibal, ponderously dull thrillers seem to be the big thing nowadays. I saw the first episode of True Dick the other day and I kept asking myself "why do people like this boring mess?" Nothing was happening, there was no plot and the characters showed no emotion except 'abject boredom.'
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Feb 17, 2014 12:13
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I actually really like Hannibal a lot. It could just be easier to enjoy because I'm already familiar with the characters, but I also think Hannibal is a genuinely transcendent show.
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Feb 17, 2014 12:17
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While Hannibal had a very measured pace, it featured a new serial killer and new grisly murder each week in horrifying "puts Game of Thrones to shame" levels of gore. I don't know how you can call it ponderously boring. One episode even had a serial killer wire-fu fight.
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Feb 17, 2014 14:09
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Manos del Sino posted:I thought season two was good (not great) but I have much the same problem with it that I did with the first season of House of Cards; there's nobody to route for. Everyone is an assbutt, and the few characters who aren't deplorable are just going to get poo poo on through their entire existence. My girlfriend and I are about halfway through the first season and enjoying it, but I'm kind of surprised that she likes House of Cards so much when she hates It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia for these reasons. I'm really enjoying the first season so far, but I'm not sure how much I'll want to re-watch. The acting is top-notch, but knowing the resolution to the episode might make rewatching most of them a little tedious. Especially given how easy it is to predict things like (season one spoilers) Frank and his wife setting up the brick attack when they happen and the reveal thirty minutes later being completely unsurprising. Of course I did make the mistake of reading all of the Cards Against Humanity entries in the House of Cards expansion, so that's ruined what should probably have been a lot of the most shocking moments in this season.
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Feb 17, 2014 14:16
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Nothing shocked in the first season of House of Cards except maybe the cunnilingus scene.
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Feb 17, 2014 14:28
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