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NippleFloss posted:I don't think there's any way that Clowney is around at 4. I think St Louis either takes him or trades back with a team that wants him. I guess I just can't see the first 3 picks all being qbs, which is the only way Clowney falls to 4. Why would St Louis take Clowney?
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The Puppy Bowl posted:What's the prevailing thought on Taylor Lewan? I haven't looked at him over much because the prevailing storyline around him is a Michgan man's Incognito, which sounds just loving awful. Seems to project well as a zone scheme RT with the possilbity to grow into a proper LT. It all sounds so appealing but for the neanderthal shitbird part. After his teammate was accused of raping a girl Lewan threatened to rape her as well if she didn't drop the charges. His character issues are very real.
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Disillusionist posted:Why would St Louis take Clowney? The BPAest of BPA picks. They might need him the least of anyone but hell, I guess you can always use ridiculous pass rushers.
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NippleFloss posted:After his teammate was accused of raping a girl Lewan threatened to rape her as well if she didn't drop the charges. His character issues are very real.  that's hosed up
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Disillusionist posted:Why would St Louis take Clowney? I don't think they're going to take a QB in the first because I don't think they're ready to part with Bradford given how much money they owe him, and the fact that none of the QBs this year look like they would be a definite upgrade. That leaves either Clowney, a trade back, or over-drafting a position of need. Given that Clowney is the best prospect to come out since Luck I think they just suck it up and live with an embarrassment of riches on the defensive line, assuming they don't make a trade. Besides, I know their line was good last year, but having a guy on the edge who is strong enough to get by the tackle and also fast enough to chase down Kapernick or Wilson would certainly be more useful than an over-drafted offensive lineman.
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NippleFloss posted:After his teammate was accused of raping a girl Lewan threatened to rape her as well if she didn't drop the charges. His character issues are very real. I am afraid to ask. ... do you have the source for this?
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smuggler posted:I am afraid to ask. ... do you have the source for this? Here you go
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NippleFloss posted:I don't think they're going to take a QB in the first because I don't think they're ready to part with Bradford given how much money they owe him, and the fact that none of the QBs this year look like they would be a definite upgrade. That leaves either Clowney, a trade back, or over-drafting a position of need. Given that Clowney is the best prospect to come out since Luck I think they just suck it up and live with an embarrassment of riches on the defensive line, assuming they don't make a trade. Besides, I know their line was good last year, but having a guy on the edge who is strong enough to get by the tackle and also fast enough to chase down Kapernick or Wilson would certainly be more useful than an over-drafted offensive lineman. Clowney for the Rams is the most luxury of luxury picks. I don't think they're taking a quarterback either, which is why a trade down seems the likeliest (and wisest) decision. I know we're months away from the draft, but CBS has Jake Matthews as their #2 overall prospect, so drafting him wouldn't be "over-drafting." Greg Robinson is #4. Watkins, Barr and Mack are all in the Top 10 as well. If you're a team like St. Louis that already has some pretty good talent and just needs to fill some holes, taking a Top 10 prospect #2 overall isn't a huge reach, especially if they're taking quarterbacks off the board entirely.
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Disillusionist posted:Why would St Louis take Clowney? Because if every qb is dead you win by default.
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Chichevache posted:Because if every qb is dead you win by default. - Lions fans after 2011/2013 drafts
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Disillusionist posted:- Lions fans after 2011/2013 drafts The Rams line is better.
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Chichevache posted:The Rams line is better. I guess once Bradford inevitably injures himself again, they can level the playing field by taking out Kaep and Wilson 
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Holy poo poo the kid went to my high school
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I don't follow football too closely but as a rams fan I would like them to take clowney because if he has a chance to be a generational de, I think the rams should take him, even if they already have a very good line. Missing on him because you already have a good line seems silly considering how fluid the league is and how quickly a team's fortunes can change.
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Doltos posted:I made a big reddit thread for learning about the draft that I might use as the OP for the next thread here: Please just stay over there, they'll appreciate your opinions on racial minorities much more too I imagine!
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Doltos is a treasure even if he posts on reddit. He has the rear end and thighs of a black man.
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MonsterWalk posted:Doltos is a treasure even if he posts on reddit. He has the rear end and thighs of a black man. He's a loathsome, offensive brute, yet I cannot look away -Me reading all of Doltos posts
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MonsterWalk posted:He has the rear end and thighs of a black man. Yeah, and no matter how many times we tell him they're not property anymore he still won't let them go.
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Well that was informative and horrifying. Did Lewan take karate lessons at Cobra Kai as a kid? "Stop crying rape or I'll give you something to cry rape about." - A Person Born After 1600 CE
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uggy posted:I don't follow football too closely but as a rams fan I would like them to take clowney because if he has a chance to be a generational de, I think the rams should take him, even if they already have a very good line. Getting too caught up into one non-Quarterback player is silly. How often do generational players actually improve a team singlehandedly? Suh was a generational DT and he hasn't turned the Lions around. Focusing on one player isn't the point. The Seahawks had the league's best defense despite not having a single player on their line that anyone would have considered a Top 5 player at his position. The Rams already have a pretty good defense that could be improved with better OLBs and safeties. They also need a lot of help on offense, which is why a LT would make sense if they're sticking with Bradford. Taking Clowney isn't going to win them more games because you're marginally improving your best unit. You're basically upgrading your backup DE spot with either Long or Clowney, depending on whoever starts, with the #2 overall pick.
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Disillusionist posted:Getting too caught up into one non-Quarterback player is silly. How often do generational players actually improve a team singlehandedly? Suh was a generational DT and he hasn't turned the Lions around. Why would they want a LT? They just payed Jake Long a pretty big chunk of money to guard Bradford. Honestly I can't think of a single offensive piece worth taking #2 overall for them. They just drafted more WRs last year, and presumably whoever they draft in that position will need time to mature anyway, so he wouldn't be an immediate contributor. They seem to have found their new RB in Stacy, and they already have a TE. I don't know enough about the rest of their line to speculate on whether they need to upgrade there, but they shouldn't have to use the #2 pick for that. So really, who is actually worth that spot besides Clowney or a QB? Obviously trading down is something to think about, but I really can't see why they should pass up on Clowney.
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Because Long sucks and they will probably cut him after this year as the deal was designed that way.
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Long was pretty drat good last year, at least going by PFF and the Rams games I watched. They're not cutting him even after he tore his ACL. The real concern is the right side with Roger Saffold headed for free agency.
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Benne posted:Long was pretty drat good last year, at least going by PFF and the Rams games I watched. They're not cutting him even after he tore his ACL. The real concern is the right side with Roger Saffold headed for free agency. I meant after next year, not this offseason. And I would assume he won't be ready to start the season either and with no RT currently, I don't think it is out of line for the Rams to take a tackle.
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creamcorn posted:Please just stay over there, they'll appreciate your opinions on racial minorities much more too I imagine! Yep, you sure told me! The Puppy Bowl posted:What's the prevailing thought on Taylor Lewan? I haven't looked at him over much because the prevailing storyline around him is a Michgan man's Incognito, which sounds just loving awful. Seems to project well as a zone scheme RT with the possilbity to grow into a proper LT. It all sounds so appealing but for the neanderthal shitbird part. To get it out of the way I think Lewan is a major rear end in a top hat, a headcase on the field, and we already covered the rape stuff. From an analysis standpoint, he has a good set of hands. Total mauler, puncher, what have you. Apparently didn't give up a sack last year but I don't see him succeeding at LT at the NFL level. I said the same thing about Jake Long coming out and I was proven wrong on that too. Kind of a straight line blocker, might lose to guys who can get past his hands. NFL DEs are super active against handsy OTs which is why guys like Levi Brown fail.
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Chichevache posted:Why would they want a LT? They just payed Jake Long a pretty big chunk of money to guard Bradford. Honestly I can't think of a single offensive piece worth taking #2 overall for them. They just drafted more WRs last year, and presumably whoever they draft in that position will need time to mature anyway, so he wouldn't be an immediate contributor. They seem to have found their new RB in Stacy, and they already have a TE. I don't know enough about the rest of their line to speculate on whether they need to upgrade there, but they shouldn't have to use the #2 pick for that. So really, who is actually worth that spot besides Clowney or a QB? Obviously trading down is something to think about, but I really can't see why they should pass up on Clowney. I assumed Long would be gone based on what I've heard so far. Even if Long is back next year at a decent level, I still wouldn't take Clowney. I'd trade down. Taking a WR would be the last thing I'd do, even after taking Clowney. The only way taking Clowney makes sense is if he's as good as advertised right away. Then you trade Chris Long in the last year or next-to-last year of his deal when the cap hit isn't as big, hopefully picking up a high pick in exchange. I assume Robert Quinn sticks around in this scenario because I think he's the better of the two already and he's still on his rookie deal. The other obvious option is to take Barr/Mack. I don't watch CFB so I can't tell you how good those guys are. I do know that they have a need at OLB. A front 7 of: Ogletree-Laurinaitis-Barr/Mack Long-Brockers-Langford?-Quinn would be pretty nasty. Especially if they landed Aaron Donald with their 2nd first round pick.
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The Rams have another pick in the first round at 13 if they really want to take an OL and they would probably get more value there. Locking Clowney in for a cheap 5 years is definitely worth it, even if it's only a marginal improvement next year. He's really really good.
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Hand Row posted:I meant after next year, not this offseason. And I would assume he won't be ready to start the season either and with no RT currently, I don't think it is out of line for the Rams to take a tackle. They have Joe Barksdale at RT and he did pretty well last year. Saffold was actually playing RG the last part of the year. The Rams don't really need an OLB since they're in nickel a lot anyway and have two good cover linebackers in Laurinaitis and Ogletree. I'm way down with the Rams drafting Clowney with the #2 and saving #13 for something they actually need more, unless they can get a ton for #2.
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Lol Joe Barksdale. Also, why are people saying that the Rams suddenly have receivers because they drafted Tavon Austin last year? They had among the worst in the NFL last season until a little later in the year when they caught their stride a bit. If they couldn't trade down, Sammy Watkins would instantly be their best one, and actually has size, so if they took him at 2, it wouldn't be that big of a reach imo. It'd be better than having a rotation of loving ridiculous defensive ends.
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creamcorn posted:Please just stay over there, they'll appreciate your opinions on racial minorities much more too I imagine! I give Doltos a lot of poo poo but this is dumb
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Volkerball posted:Lol Joe Barksdale. Also, why are people saying that the Rams suddenly have receivers because they drafted Tavon Austin last year? They had among the worst in the NFL last season until a little later in the year when they caught their stride a bit. If they couldn't trade down, Sammy Watkins would instantly be their best one, and actually has size, so if they took him at 2, it wouldn't be that big of a reach imo. It'd be better than having a rotation of loving ridiculous defensive ends. I thought they drafted two or three guys who have a ton of potential but haven't finished developing yet. Stedman Bailey for example.
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Volkerball posted:And as for guys who are taller than 5'10" and don't weight less than 200 pounds? They have Brian Quick, Austin Pettis and Chris Givens. If you're saying they need a big receiver, they certainly don't need to get one at #2. They could easily have their pick of either Mike Evans or Kelvin Benjamin at #13.
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JRizzle posted:They have Brian Quick, Austin Pettis and Chris Givens. If you're saying they need a big receiver, they certainly don't need to get one at #2. They could easily have their pick of either Mike Evans or Kelvin Benjamin at #13. I think they should try and trade down, and maybe take a receiver at 13 depending on who's left, but if they can't, Watkins wouldn't be a terrible pick, and then they could likely go BPA at 13. They're going to be making a reach anyways, unless they decide to go on a QB, Clowney, or Matthews.
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NippleFloss posted:The Rams have another pick in the first round at 13 if they really want to take an OL and they would probably get more value there. I think the point is, what will they get more value out of. I think the extra few picks is more valuable to them then the position they already have covered. Who knows maybe the Redskins want to trade another year of draft picks to them again.
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The NFL draft grades sure suggest Aaron Donald is garbage. I thought he was a consensus first round or two pick after the combine?
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I think the NFL draft grades are either incomplete or measured compared to current NFL players. Rookies have a long way to go before they're NFL caliber which is why teams get so excited when rookies contribute in their first year, or even star in their first year.
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Goetta posted:The NFL draft grades sure suggest Aaron Donald is garbage. I thought he was a consensus first round or two pick after the combine? As far as I know, he is. Most mocks have him as a mid-1st rounder for what it's worth.
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