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Might I suggest some light reading? Everything Is Under Control: Conspiracies, Cults and Cover-ups. It's an encyclopedia of crazy. Got one on my bookshelf.
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I don't think anyone's mentioned this but you can break the doors to the medibots in the free clinic with a melee weapon if you hit them enough times. You can then get in without alerting everyone in the building. Incidentally, the doors in deus ex have a hidden stat, "damage threshold", which determines whether or not an attack reduces the door's strength. The door strength is more like HP than an indication of what level of firepower is needed to blow the door up. This shows up later on when there are some doors with 35% strength that you can break through with the dragon's tooth, but others that you can't. The doors in the free clinic can be damaged by just about anything, but it takes a while to break them.
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Feb 14, 2014 19:37
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Diggus Bickus posted:I don't think anyone's mentioned this but you can break the doors to the medibots in the free clinic with a melee weapon if you hit them enough times. I wish they had put more of an interesting side story, or some good datacubes in there. It's a lot of money to get in for nothing of real value.
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Feb 14, 2014 20:09
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unfair posted:I wish they had put more of an interesting side story, or some good datacubes in there. It's a lot of money to get in for nothing of real value. You don't get any other medbots in Hell's kitchen, and you'll spend quite a bit of time there. In addition, this is the part of the game where you don't have a lot of skills / augmentations / hoards of healing items.
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Feb 14, 2014 20:18
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unfair posted:I wish they had put more of an interesting side story, or some good datacubes in there. It's a lot of money to get in for nothing of real value.
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Feb 14, 2014 20:24
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Xander77 posted:You don't get any other medbots in Hell's kitchen, and you'll spend quite a bit of time there. In addition, this is the part of the game where you don't have a lot of skills / augmentations / hoards of healing items. Perhaps my perspective is just skewed by playing Deus Ex so much, but I don't remember ever taking any damage in Hell's Kitchen, at least until the rather short return trip (and by that point you should be stocked up). That's including doing runs killing every single enemy on each level. While typing my previous post I was wondering if "Realistic" difficulty should have removed the healing function from medbots. If you know what you're doing it should be pretty feasible to never use a medbot heal.
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Feb 14, 2014 20:24
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Xander77 posted:You don't get any other medbots in Hell's kitchen, and you'll spend quite a bit of time there. In addition, this is the part of the game where you don't have a lot of skills / augmentations / hoards of healing items. Not only that, but it's the first opportunity you get to install the Aqualung/Toxic Resist aug from Castle Clinton, and both are potentially very useful in upcoming areas. Without the free clinic code, you'll be wasting that inventory slot with the aug can until you can get back to UNATCO.
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Feb 14, 2014 20:35
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unfair posted:While typing my previous post I was wondering if "Realistic" difficulty should have removed the healing function from medbots. If you know what you're doing it should be pretty feasible to never use a medbot heal. Deus Ex isn't a "hard" game though. You can play on easy and enjoy the game just as much as playing on realistic, but realistic just changes the way you approach combat. The only time I really die when playing Deus Ex is when I do "challenge" things, like seeing if I can take out a room full of dudes using only throwing knives and no stealth, or something. Being able to take a few hits can make the game more fun sometimes, because you can do stupid things for fun and shrug off the consequences. Maybe my opinion of the game is skewed by how many times I've played it though... It's hard to objectively evaluate the difficulty when the AI is really bad and you already know where everyone is standing in every level.
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Feb 14, 2014 20:43
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So Bobbin, by choosing to implant the Toxic Resist aug are you saying that in this instance Aqualung (your friend) SHOULD start away uneasy? I'm sorry.
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Feb 14, 2014 22:30
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Man, I was not expecting a Jethro Tull reference in here.
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Feb 14, 2014 23:50
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Necroskowitz posted:So Bobbin, by choosing to implant the Toxic Resist aug are you saying that in this instance Aqualung (your friend) SHOULD start away uneasy? Crouched behind a park bench Eying NSF with bad intent Sunglasses in the dark With prod and baton he'll make his mark Hey, Trenchcoat Man Night since the game began Our boy wonders if he can get a moontan Hey, Trenchcoat Man Geared up like a gun nut Knocking you out with one blow to the butt Whoooah, Trenchcoat Man Helicopter lands A trenchcoat man comes running Having fun The only way he knows Leg hurting bad From getting too near explosions He talks to a medbot To fix his feet Feeling alright He'll stun six more tonight Nearby guard hears the fight And sounds alarms Trenchcoat Man, my friend Don't you just jump out and shoot them You idiot Now they've blown off your arms Do you still remember When you did training missions When you learned stealth from Anna though I bet you didn't listen And you run until they forget you're there When they can't hear your sounds And the quiet falls like Winter's silent breath Helicopter lands A trenchcoat man comes running Having fun The only way he knows Killing robots With a gun that shoots explosives He knocks every man Off of their feet Feeling alright He'll kill six more tonight Nearby guard hears the fight And sounds alarms Trenchcoat Man, my friend It's good you spent so much on Rifles Firefight on hard It's only you it harms Trenchcoat Man, my friend I think they want to kill your pilot My god a bomb Say monotonally Crouched behind a park bench Sniping MJ12 with bad intent Sunglasses in the dark With gun and LAM he'll make his mark Hey, Trenchcoat Man Night since the game began Our boy wonders if he can get a moontan Hey, Trenchcoat Man He now wants you all dead Dropping you down with one shot to the head Hey, Trenchcoat Man Oh, Trenchcoat Man
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Feb 15, 2014 01:42
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I think someone in Speedball's current LP said this: There are some posts filled with fan art and then there are those that are filled with written art. This was one of the latter. 
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Feb 15, 2014 02:23
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idonotlikepeas posted:Something awesome. That was awesome. Convenient link for those who don't know what the hell.
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Feb 15, 2014 02:45
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Someone do an acoustic version of that song and sing it. Internet superstardom awaits.
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Feb 15, 2014 04:24
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idonotlikepeas posted:
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 Gully Foyle is a character in Alfred Bester's 1956 SF novel, The Stars My Destination. Gabriel Syme is a character in G.K. Chesterton's The Man Who Was Thursday. Oberst Enzian is from Thomas Pynchon's novel Gravity's Rainbow. Smilla Jasperson is from Peter Hoeg's novel Smilla's Sense of Snow. Hippolyta "Lyta" Trevor Hall is the alter ego of the comic book character Fury, who originated in Wonder Woman but played a bigger role in Neil Gaiman's Sandman series as the mother of Daniel the dream child. Cribbed from nuwen.net.
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You don't mention it Bobbin, but someone else briefly mentioned it a couple pages back, but due to the fact some people can have life threatening reactions to some chemicals in vaccines, or have such compromised immune systems that even a severely weakened virus could harm them, that they have to rely on the fact no one else is getting sick in order to not get sick. This is herd immunity, and anti-vaccination campaigns are threatening this and therefore lives other than just their childrens' in some absolutely loving ASININE attempt to try and prevent autism, which is fairly clearly a spectrum of genetic disorders. To intentionally not vaccinate your kids should be considered child neglect at best, and child endangerment in my opinion. But keep up the good work Bobbin, I love your add-ons here and in your Brütal Legend LP, and I went and bought Deus Ex: Invisible War on Steam thanks to this LP.
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Feb 15, 2014 15:35
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A Pair Of Ducks posted:But keep up the good work Bobbin, I love your add-ons here and in your Brütal Legend LP, and I went and bought Deus Ex: Invisible War on Steam thanks to this LP.
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J.theYellow posted:Cribbed from nuwen.net. And all already mentioned in the thread 
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Sorry I'm late, but I had to go on a snowbound odyssey for a few hours.    Handouts: NWP: NY Grid Law Smuggler Email: Limites D'Affaire Smuggler Email: Inquiry Computer Virus Cultivation Firearm Safety The Order of the Cincinnati Covert Surveillance Jacob's Shadow: Ch 12 JSteward Email: Our Chemist JSteward Email: Company Picnic JSteward Email: System Hacking JSteward Email: Delivery Chlorine and Water Treatment Nanotechnology for Stupid People Known Misses: Mr. Renton will probably want to know his daughter is safe, there's a box of shells between the two barrels down in the elevator tunnel.
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I may misremembering things but can't you also just block beams with crates? Also I'm still a bit sad you didn't show off any of those crazy glitches back in Unatco HQ. (everyone hating on the vacuum cleaner especially). Or were those patched out?
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Feb 17, 2014 19:42
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I'm not surprised they use the same code for everything. If there's one thing I've learned about the Deus Ex universe, it's that no one can remember even a short number sequence without having it on their person in datacubes/pocket secretaries...which they also tend to just leave out in the open for anyone to find.
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Feb 17, 2014 19:55
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I hope the next Deus Ex gives you the option to flip over keyboards so you can find the password written underneath. I swear, almost everyone I know does this, why they even have a password I don't understand.
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FrickenMoron posted:I may misremembering things but can't you also just block beams with crates? Also I'm still a bit sad you didn't show off any of those crazy glitches back in Unatco HQ. (everyone hating on the vacuum cleaner especially). Or were those patched out? IIRC (been a while) you can block some beams with boxes, but others will set off the alarm if you push any object in front of it... It was a trial and error game
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Feb 17, 2014 20:13
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I just specifically remembered that when I played I always blocked those blue beams with crates/other objects so I could save on a multitool. I always used the bug with the lockpick/tool too so I never had to skill them up.
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Feb 17, 2014 20:14
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In this specific instance you can just push a big metal crate in front of you to shield yourself from the turrets and then wait until the alarm dies down.
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FrickenMoron posted:I may misremembering things but can't you also just block beams with crates? Also I'm still a bit sad you didn't show off any of those crazy glitches back in Unatco HQ. (everyone hating on the vacuum cleaner especially). Or were those patched out? Well, the answer is both yes and no. Yes, crates and barrels can block laser beams, but no, they'll trip the alarm in the process. I just checked with the ones in the elevator tunnel. Cerebral Bore posted:In this specific instance you can just push a big metal crate in front of you to shield yourself from the turrets and then wait until the alarm dies down. I suppose that could work, but it's still easier and just as cheap to climb up onto the pipe.
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Feb 17, 2014 20:19
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:Well, the answer is both yes and no. Yes, crates and barrels can block laser beams, but no, they'll trip the alarm in the process. I just checked with the ones in the elevator tunnel. Yeah if you use that technique you have to chuck something in front of the beams to block them and then run and hide until the alarm shuts off. Basically a safer variant of what Cerebral Bore was talking about - and also leaves the beam gap open for places where you need to make a return trip.
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Feb 17, 2014 20:25
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I love how the secret paramilitary CIA guys have a company pick-nick.
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1. Our version of J.C. demonstrates good interrogation technique in the bar. Getting people to feel like you're sympathetic to them generally yields better results than threats. 2. The Internet Oracle, seen in Smuggler's e-mail, is a real thing that actually exists. It used to be called the Usenet Oracle, back when that was a thing. The way it works is that you send an e-mail to the Oracle with a question, and it stores that e-mail in its database. It then hands you someone else's question to answer in return. When someone answers your question, you get an e-mail with their response. Generally the response is intended to be humorous. The best ones get recorded for posterity. That's why the mail to Smuggler has a question in the bottom of it - that's what he's supposed to answer in return for the answer he got. (Clearly some group has subverted the oracle to exchange clandestine information, but that doesn't let you out of your Internet Responsibilities.) 3. I love that the evil conspiracy still has an HR department. Because of COURSE they do. 4. More Dees. 
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idonotlikepeas posted:2. The Internet Oracle, seen in Smuggler's e-mail, is a real thing that actually exists. It used to be called the Usenet Oracle, back when that was a thing. The way it works is that you send an e-mail to the Oracle with a question, and it stores that e-mail in its database. It then hands you someone else's question to answer in return. When someone answers your question, you get an e-mail with their response. Generally the response is intended to be humorous. The best ones get recorded for posterity. That's why the mail to Smuggler has a question in the bottom of it - that's what he's supposed to answer in return for the answer he got. (Clearly some group has subverted the oracle to exchange clandestine information, but that doesn't let you out of your Internet Responsibilities.)
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You know I don't think I've ever let Johnny live in recent play-throughs, I don't even know what happens if you let him get away. It'a always much more fun to just shoot him. Also, if you follow Ford all the way back to the main chamber you can speak with him some more. Due to engine limitations he can't climb latters but he does have a few more tidbits of information but he will vanish into the ether as soon as you lose sight of him. And obviously the Chlorine spill mentioned in a bulletin was caused by these guys experimenting with the water to see what would happen. The email from "WS" hinted that it was only an example for something more to come.
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All ATMs on a map are effectively networked together, so withdrawing from one will cause all of them to lose money. (The ATM scripting specifically goes and synchronizes the balance of every ATM on the map when the balance changes.) Other things I've discovered while looking through the scripting... Crossbow bolts (and all non-hitscan projectiles) fly in a perfectly straight line, unaffected by gravity, until they reach the end of their range, where gravity starts to kick in. So there's no point in trying to compensate for gravity unless the crosshair indicates the target is too far. The weird collision for headshots has been talked about before a bit, but the scripting for it is clearly wrong. The intent was to make the head region a bit smaller than the collision cylinder, but the way it works out headshots only register of the cardinal sides of the cylinder are hit, while the intercardinal sides count as body hits. I'll make a graph of it later, but the head region, when viewed from above, looks like a plus shape, with body region wedges filling in the rest.
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The lectures at the end continue to be the best part! I had no idea that alcohol was important to civilization for reasons other than recreation, or how fluoride was discovered to be so important to dental health. Also, I want to see Dees show up in every single lecture from now on.
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Currently in my country there is a groundswell movement of colossal morons with too much time on their hands who want to ban water fluoridation for *reasons*. They are directly analogous to the vaccines=autism people and tack on a string of nebulous 'health issues' that arise from water fluoridation. One area has already had the council bend over and take it out of the water supply and they are now targeting the big cities. The media continue to present it as 'the fluoride debate' which gives it enough legitimacy that these people can gain footholds politically. It is loving retarded and makes me angry.
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Reinstalled DX because well...it's DX okay? Bobbin are you going to demonstrate the Anna Navarre/LAM combo?
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Slavvy posted:Currently in my country there is a groundswell movement of colossal morons with too much time on their hands who want to ban water fluoridation for *reasons*. They are directly analogous to the vaccines=autism people and tack on a string of nebulous 'health issues' that arise from water fluoridation. One area has already had the council bend over and take it out of the water supply and they are now targeting the big cities. The media continue to present it as 'the fluoride debate' which gives it enough legitimacy that these people can gain footholds politically. The media is probably the most dangerous part of any asinine movement like that. They'll do anything to get ratings, even give legitimacy to the ravings of lunatics. Hopefully the cities are much smarter than to give into the demands of idiots.
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This is kinda neither here nor there, but bobbin, what is your keyboard layout? Do you keep all the augmentations on the F1-12 keys? Where do you keep scope & laser? Deus ex (along with Jedi Outcast and the Freespace games) require some serious keyboard juggling to get all the spells/functions within hand's reach and I kind of hope someone has a better system than mine....
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double nine posted:This is kinda neither here nor there, but bobbin, what is your keyboard layout? Do you keep all the augmentations on the F1-12 keys? Where do you keep scope & laser? The augs plus the menu hotkeys use every single F key, so there's no way to fit them all in easy reach no matter what. I've moved the scope and laser keys to Z and C, though. Normally they turn you left and right, but that's just a legacy from the pre-mouse era. I think I move "Switch Ammo Types" to F, as well. I forget if it starts there or not.
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Slavvy posted:Currently in my country there is a groundswell movement of colossal morons with too much time on their hands who want to ban water fluoridation for *reasons*. They are directly analogous to the vaccines=autism people and tack on a string of nebulous 'health issues' that arise from water fluoridation. One area has already had the council bend over and take it out of the water supply and they are now targeting the big cities. The media continue to present it as 'the fluoride debate' which gives it enough legitimacy that these people can gain footholds politically. Are you Canadian? And by chance do you live in the Kitchener/Waterloo area?
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