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 Komnenians B is for Bulgaria, an essential part of the empire that must be restored forthwith. (I may be a Komnenian, but my true loyalty is to the Pretty Borders faction.) Duckbox fucked around with this message at 11:03 on Feb 18, 2014 |
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 A - fighting this war could lead to utter disaster, losing it right now is merely a minor setback. Strategic considerations make the loss of our Armenian province a necessary sacrifice.
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Feb 18, 2014 12:11
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Hey Rincewind, I'm in a different timezone and will be sleeping when voting is over. Here is the up to date list for you that is correct until this post. Old Romans: 12 Thanqol Jazerus mcclay DivineCoffeeBinge Sky Shadowing EightDeer StrifeHira Flesnolk NewMars Ubern00b Horsebanger Mortuus New Byzantines: 26 Rogue0071 Pyroi Ofaloaf DentedLamp Gygaxian Clayren zephyr42 Caustic Soda HenessyHero RabidWeasel Sleep of Bronze ChrisAsmadi Meinberg TheMcD sheep-dodger Luhood Aeromancia Blackunknown Rejected Fate Technowolf Frozen_flame cokerpilot Syce300 Ezo45 Jimmy4400nav Mirdini  Milvians: 6 Sindai JT Jag occipitallobe LordGugs AJ_Impy YF-23 Komnenians: 6 Patter Song Lord Windy Muskatnuss ZearothK Ghetto Prince Duckbag A: 31 Sindai, Rogue0071, Pyroi, Ofaloaf, Jazerus, JT Jag, DivineCoffeeBinge, Gygaxian, Clayren, Sky Shadowing, EightDeer, zephyr42, Lord Windy, Caustic Soda, StrifeHira, RabidWeasel, Sleep of Bronze, NewMars, ChrisAsmadi, TheMcD, Muskatnuss, Blackunknown, Rejected Fate, ZearothK, Frozen_flame, Ghetto Prince, cokerpilot, Horsebanger, Ezo45, Jimmy4400nav, Mirdini B: 5 Thanqol, LordGugs, Ubern00b, Mortuus, Duckbag C: 14 mcclay, occipitallobe, Patter Song, DentedLamp, HenessyHero, Flesnolk, Meinberg, sheep-dodger, Luhood, AJ_Impy, YF-23, Aeromancia, Technowolf, Syce300
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Feb 18, 2014 13:07
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Old Romans A. ἀνήρ ὁ ϕɛύγων καὶ ράλίν μαχήɛṯαί. A man who flees will fight again.
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Feb 18, 2014 15:38
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A. Roman blood is pricey stuff. Throwing it over the fields needlessly is wasteful.
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Feb 18, 2014 15:58
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A. Our ancestors knew when to fight and when to talk, and we need to bide our time until we are strong again.
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Feb 18, 2014 17:42
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A: retaking Bulgaria must be priority A number one before we can consider fighting the Persians. Losing such a huge swatch of land right on the doorstep of Constantinople is unacceptable, and we actually, you know, have the means of fighting them. Surrender or, if that is absolutely disgraceful, let a little Persian blood, but under no circumstances should you trade Bulgaria for a single Anatolian province. We must accept our weakened circumstances and fight when we can actually win rather than throwing ourselves into the Persian maw for the sheer stubborn glory of it all. PS I also loved The History of Rome and I would love another pseudo THoR update. And if you have not given Revolutions a shot, you are doing yourself a disservice.
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Feb 18, 2014 19:02
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A because Bulgaria has to be brought back into the fold first. Then...it's time to reunite Christianity!
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Feb 18, 2014 20:06
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Voting closed two hours ago! Results shortly.
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Old Romans: 15 Thanqol Jazerus mcclay DivineCoffeeBinge Sky Shadowing EightDeer StrifeHira Flesnolk NewMars Ubern00b Horsebanger Mortuus Grim reaper Jihad Joe Gnooble New Byzantines: 26 Rogue0071 Pyroi Ofaloaf DentedLamp Gygaxian Clayren zephyr42 Caustic Soda HenessyHero RabidWeasel Sleep of Bronze ChrisAsmadi Meinberg TheMcD sheep-dodger Luhood Aeromancia Blackunknown Rejected Fate Technowolf Frozen_flame cokerpilot Syce300 Ezo45 Jimmy4400nav Mirdini Milvians: 6 Sindai JT Jag occipitallobe LordGugs AJ_Impy YF-23 Komnenians: 6 Patter Song Lord Windy Muskatnuss ZearothK Ghetto Prince Duckbag A: 34 Sindai, Rogue0071, Pyroi, Ofaloaf, Jazerus, JT Jag, DivineCoffeeBinge, Gygaxian, Clayren, Sky Shadowing, EightDeer, zephyr42, Lord Windy, Caustic Soda, StrifeHira, RabidWeasel, Sleep of Bronze, NewMars, ChrisAsmadi, TheMcD, Muskatnuss, Blackunknown, Rejected Fate, ZearothK, Frozen_flame, Ghetto Prince, cokerpilot, Horsebanger, Ezo45, Jimmy4400nav, Mirdini, Grim reaper, Jihad Joe, Gnooble B: 5 Thanqol, LordGugs, Ubern00b, Mortuus, Duckbag C: 14 mcclay, occipitallobe, Patter Song, DentedLamp, HenessyHero, Flesnolk, Meinberg, sheep-dodger, Luhood, AJ_Impy, YF-23, Aeromancia, Technowolf, Syce300  We will surrender to the Saimids. The New Byzantines are ascendant.
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Feb 18, 2014 20:14
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Grim reaper posted:
Ἀνὴρ ὁ φεύγων καὶ πάλιν μαχήσεται. ράλίν is a gently caress up by whoever you got that from because they don't know the Greek alphabet properly and assumed the thing that looks like an English p sounds like an English p. It doesn't. The sigma needs to be in μαχήσεται because that's how you know it's future. The tau in that word needs to actually be a tau instead of a Roman alphabet t too. The man who flees will also fight again.
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Feb 18, 2014 20:22
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Feb 18, 2014 21:24
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Sky Shadowing posted:The I find your position to be disagreeable! Speaking of modernizing, modernizing our military should begin before we attempt any further wars. I stand my point that a new standing army of professional cataphracts loyal to the purple would give us a huge advantage against all threats, both internal and external.
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Feb 18, 2014 21:33
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Meinberg posted:I find your position to be disagreeable! I've been keeping my retinues at the cap for most of the game, although we're at about half strength right now since I haven't had a chance to replenish the retinues wiped out in the last three wars.
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Feb 18, 2014 21:37
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Sky Shadowing posted:The
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Feb 18, 2014 21:42
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Senators! Greeks! Countrymen! Lend me your ears, if just for a moment. Before we even think about attacking the Saimids, we must first take care of the Bulgarian Rebellion that has the GALL to call itself an empire. We need our troops back for that first, then we can concern ourselves with expanding eastwards.
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Feb 18, 2014 21:44
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Pyroi posted:Senators! Greeks! Countrymen! Lend me your ears, if just for a moment. Before we even think about attacking the Saimids, we must first take care of the Bulgarian Rebellion that has the GALL to call itself an empire. We need our troops back for that first, then we can concern ourselves with expanding eastwards. Pretty sure that's the plan. Not to steal your thunder, but I'm fairly sure that more than half a dozen senators have made that point before you. Also, it'd be pretty interesting if we eventually ended up some sort of Republic in EU and then a liberal democracy in Vicky because of our "liberal" tendencies (since the New Byzantines are the most republican of the parties). Everybody's done the Byzantine Empire, but the Byzantine Federal Republic would be something pretty spiffy.
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Feb 18, 2014 21:49
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Ofaloaf posted:You know what led us into this mess in the first place? The Schism! If we just acknowledged the Bishop of Rome as head of the Church, we could get Franks and Germans to die for us instead of risking the cream of our
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Feb 18, 2014 22:00
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Sky Shadowing posted:The  Silence, Greek dog! Western Rome crumbled where they stood, and yet you gaze back at the Italian peninsula dreaming of ages past. It is you and your Old Romans who will bring upon our fall, remembering the glory days while stuffing your head in Serbian clay. The West is gone, drowning in not only heresy but in their own filth as well. The future is here, in Constantinople, and in Byzantion. In the Bulgarian and Crimean lands to the north as well as the Georgian and Turkish lands to the east. A Roman Empire where being Roman doesn't necessarily mean being Greek. A Roman Empire which dreams of the future rather than delves in the past. The Turks assail our borders, watching our land with blood in their eyes, and you simply fall over on our backs like mangy dogs? My blood may be Muslim, but unlike the lot of you my heart will always remain a brave Roman one! The only way to survive the future onslaught of the Saimids is to prove to them we aren't afraid. Prove to them who the real master is. Such is the way of Rome. In other news, A was actually the better choice. But why be wise when you can RP, right? Also, no hard feelings right?
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Feb 18, 2014 22:04
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JT Jag posted:The Schism was entirely the fault of the Bishop of Rome for heretically believing that only he is capable of speaking for the Lord. Autocephaly is a core principle of Orthodoxy! The Pope in Rome was considered to simply be an equal amongst the Pentarchy. Perhaps a first amongst equals, as our Ecumenical Patriarch is now, but nothing more than that. It is these so-called "Catholics" who should bow at our feet, not the other way around. Even if (God forbid!) we were to perish, the petty principalities of the Balkans would still act as a buffer between the Muslims and the Germans, Italians et cetera. We can't make them care for us with arguments based on realistic concerns, so the only other way to get them to care is with religious concerns.
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Feb 18, 2014 22:35
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Okay, fine, if you want to condemn the entire Empire to bathe in an eternal lake of hellfire just to win a few convenient political points, be my guest. Oh wait, no. Screw you!
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Feb 18, 2014 22:46
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Luhood posted:
It is the civic duty of all Romans to restore Order and Civilization to all the peoples of the world, not just the Turks, the Bulgarians, but to the Gauls, the Iberians, and the Britons. I dream of a future where all of Christendom is protected and unified, where a man may walk from the shores of tthe Great Ocean in the West to pray in Holy Jerusalem and never feel threatened because Roman might shall bring ruin to one who would threaten him.
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Feb 18, 2014 22:59
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JT Jag posted:Okay, fine, if you want to condemn the entire Empire to bathe in an eternal lake of hellfire just to win a few convenient political points, be my guest.
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Feb 18, 2014 23:04
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Sky Shadowing posted:It is the civic duty of all Romans to restore Order and Civilization to all the peoples of the world, not just the Turks, the Bulgarians, but to the Gauls, the Iberians, and the Britons. I dream of a future where all of Christendom is protected and unified, where a man may walk from the shores of tthe Great Ocean in the West to pray in Holy Jerusalem and never feel threatened because Roman might shall bring ruin to one who would threaten him. But, my friend, are we truly Rome anymore? We must look past the past and find our own way into the future--after all, had Caesar not fought against the demands of the Republic, we would not have even have the Empire to look back on! We must not say that we are Rome, we must say that we are the heirs to Rome! This is an age where we must devise new tactics and ideas if we ever hope to claim our rightful inheritance, not wallow in past glories!
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Feb 18, 2014 23:09
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JT Jag posted:The Schism was entirely the fault of the Bishop of Rome for heretically believing that only he is capable of speaking for the Lord. Autocephaly is a core principle of Orthodoxy! The Pope in Rome was considered to simply be an equal amongst the Pentarchy. Perhaps a first amongst equals, as our Ecumenical Patriarch is now, but nothing more than that. It is these so-called "Catholics" who should bow at our feet, not the other way around. Not to mention what good are allies who would more likely than not never show up to the fighting? In the time it would take for the Franks to call their banners, assemble an army, begin the march and arrive to our aid, the war would likely be over one way or another.
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Feb 19, 2014 02:06
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Komnenians This is the faction for fun-havers, right? I want to vote for fun. Also vote for less votes, as per usual. Lucky I missed this round of voting too.
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Feb 19, 2014 03:18
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Flesnolk posted:Not to mention what good are allies who would more likely than not never show up to the fighting? In the time it would take for the Franks to call their banners, assemble an army, begin the march and arrive to our aid, the war would likely be over one way or another. hmm yess tell me about how the Catholics were too far away to help us out in our war against rum
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Feb 19, 2014 03:28
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The HRE, sure, but I said France. (Or maybe I'm too used to the AI taking loving for ever to do anything in my games.)
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Feb 19, 2014 03:43
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Flesnolk posted:The HRE, sure, but I said France.
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Feb 19, 2014 03:51
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If we could swing it, an alliance with Hungary might not be a bad idea at all; I have no qualms, for my part, about alliances with the Catholics. While I might prefer ending the Schism, we need a healthy Empire to do that, and so I am certain that my fellow Senators will understand that compromises must be made to ensure said health. Lest there be some qualms among the more warlike among us, as well - it is imperative that no one delude themselves into believing that war with the Muslims is to be avoided at all costs! Even those of us voting to simply surrender the desired province realize that that is not so. It is only that the Empire's current military strength is dangerously depleted; once our might has been restored, then we should - we must! - work towards the reclamation of Anatolia. But let us pick fights we can win, not merely fights we feel compelled to pursue for the sake of pride. The reclamation of Bulgaria will prove a boon in that department, as the manpower and economic income we will gain from those lands will only make us stronger... strong enough to crush the Turks.
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Feb 19, 2014 05:12
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All y'all should sit on your votes until you finish reading the glorious Strategikon of dear Emperor Maurice. Thread homework.
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Feb 19, 2014 05:15
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HenessyHero posted:All y'all should sit on your votes until you finish reading the glorious Strategikon of dear Emperor Maurice.
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Feb 19, 2014 05:32
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Missed the vote, but in keeping with my paradox traditions of late, Orthodox zealotry seems to be the way to go.
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Feb 19, 2014 05:41
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:If we could swing it, an alliance with Hungary might not be a bad idea at all; I have no qualms, for my part, about alliances with the Catholics. Yes, but it's perfectly possible for us to ally with Catholics without becoming Catholic, isn't it? We were allied by marriage to the HRE in Alexios' day.
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Feb 19, 2014 05:41
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Flesnolk posted:Yes, but it's perfectly possible for us to ally with Catholics without becoming Catholic, isn't it? We were allied by marriage to the HRE in Alexios' day. Of course - and any who say otherwise are deluding themselves. Alexios' greatness set the stage for our resurgence; we must never be afraid to follow his example!
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Feb 19, 2014 06:58
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Deceitful Penguin posted:
Hell yes, welcome to the party! We've got wine, women, and my buddy Troy's got some sick "Greek fire," but keep it on the downlow, we don't want those uptight bastard Milvians to make a big stink about it.
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Feb 19, 2014 08:43
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It wouldn't be Roman if we didn't have kicking parties and orgies! Komnenians = best party.
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Feb 19, 2014 08:52
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Flesnolk posted:Yes, but it's perfectly possible for us to ally with Catholics without becoming Catholic, isn't it? We were allied by marriage to the HRE in Alexios' day. Alexios was a perfect Emperor with no faults whatsoever, and it's kind of weird to make marriage arrangements for the new emperor before she's started teething.
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Feb 19, 2014 11:18
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Duckbag posted:Hell yes, welcome to the party! We've got wine, women, and my buddy Troy's got some sick "Greek fire," but keep it on the downlow, we don't want those uptight bastard Milvians to make a big stink about it. What's up with the Rus and their kind? Are we the lone Orthodox power in the world? (Bulgarian treachery aside)
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Aw yiss. I keep telling you guys, our best chance for help comes from the Latins. 
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