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If you are the de jure ruler of a title and you push someone's claim on it, then provided it's of a lower rank than your title (which it sounds like it is) it will become part of your realm. The same rules apply to any land, whether a de jure part of your realm or not, if: the person whose claim you're pushing is already landed, or the person whose claim you're pushing is of your dynasty.
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Do Holy Orders get special rules on who their de jure liege is? I've got two different Orders ruling land in Hispania and even though I control their de jure duchy, kingdom, and empire titles they're still giving me "Not my de jure liege" and refusing to accept vassalization.
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Feb 18, 2014 19:38
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CapnAndy posted:Do Holy Orders get special rules on who their de jure liege is? I've got two different Orders ruling land in Hispania and even though I control their de jure duchy, kingdom, and empire titles they're still giving me "Not my de jure liege" and refusing to accept vassalization. I don't think it's a special rule for Holy Orders, but as a titular title with no land attached the Holy Orders have no de jure liege. What I find annoying is that an independent duke (let's say the Duke of Holland) where I have vassalized the associated kingdom (Frisia) will still refuse to accept vassalization from me based on "not my de jure liege"...
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Feb 18, 2014 19:41
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Allyn posted:If you are the de jure ruler of a title and you push someone's claim on it, then provided it's of a lower rank than your title (which it sounds like it is) it will become part of your realm. The same rules apply to any land, whether a de jure part of your realm or not, if: the person whose claim you're pushing is already landed, or the person whose claim you're pushing is of your dynasty. Torrannor posted:De jure wars will ALWAYS net you one single county, never more. Claim wars on the other hand are different. If you press the claim on a duchy that is de jure part of your kingdom, then the new duke (or duchess in your case) will become your vassal. So yes, press the claim of one of your claimants. Thanks for the answers, I have two claimants in my court, but their claims don't come up in the war reasons list. The Duchess in question is currently rebelling against her liege lord (She's York, I'm England, the liege lord in question is Ireland). Is that because their claims are weak. Its really confusing me because I'm sure I've pulled off similar claimant grabs in the past and I cant work out why the option to press the claimants isn't coming up this time.
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Feb 18, 2014 19:42
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If memory serves you should always be able to push weak claims against a female ruler, so that sounds... odd. Succession law hasn't been changed by her to agnatic (not agnatic-cognatic) or anything weird? The women are eligible to hold a title (i.e. not a nun)? Dunno what else it could be...
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Feb 18, 2014 19:47
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ulmont posted:I don't think it's a special rule for Holy Orders, but as a titular title with no land attached the Holy Orders have no de jure liege.
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Feb 18, 2014 19:56
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Allyn posted:If memory serves you should always be able to push weak claims against a female ruler, so that sounds... odd. Succession law hasn't been changed by her to agnatic (not agnatic-cognatic) or anything weird? The women are eligible to hold a title (i.e. not a nun)? Dunno what else it could be... Think I've worked it out - tooltip says "Female rulers if the claimant is male". All my claimants are women (In fact all the claimants for York are women). I also thought that because York is at war that mean's I could push my (courtiers) weak rear end claim, but according to the tool tip it has to be the title that is being contested, not just a war. TLDR: Thanks for the answers, but I've been wasting your time!
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Feb 18, 2014 20:00
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Allyn posted:If memory serves you should always be able to push weak claims against a female ruler, so that sounds... odd. Succession law hasn't been changed by her to agnatic (not agnatic-cognatic) or anything weird? The women are eligible to hold a title (i.e. not a nun)? Dunno what else it could be... Weak claims can be pressed against women generally, UNLESS the claimant is also a woman. I also don't think an independence war is a reason to press a weak claim. I can't check right now, but I believe you need a succession war over the claim in question to press a weak claim (if it's not in regency). Edit: The upshot is, if the title holder's heir is a child, stab her, and boom, press the weak claim. Edit #2: ^^ Yep, you beat me to it. Zaleov fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Feb 18, 2014 |
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Feb 18, 2014 20:01
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CapnAndy posted:Yeah, this is closer to the second example. One of the orders holds Leon, for example -- they have castles there and pressed a claim war, Leon is their county. I hold the duchy and kingdom of Leon and the empire of Hispania, and they're still giving me "not my de jure liege" and I can't even de jure claim CB them. It's annoying. You need to either be same culture + same religion, or a de jure Emperor if they are a Duke. It sounds like they have a court established already so this probably won't work, but what I did for the Jomsvikings is give them the Kingdom of Galicia while being the Emperor of Hispania. This changed their primary title to be a kingdom, which follows normal succession mechanics. I then stabbed him while the game was paused (so they had no court and I was the heir), and I then inherited the Jomsviking title. I'm pretty sure that would work with any of the various holy orders, but if they have a large realm already they might have heirs internally that would inherit instead of you. It's at least worth a try if you're not playing ironman.
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Feb 18, 2014 20:04
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CapnAndy posted:Yeah, this is closer to the second example. One of the orders holds Leon, for example -- they have castles there and pressed a claim war, Leon is their county. I hold the duchy and kingdom of Leon and the empire of Hispania, and they're still giving me "not my de jure liege" and I can't even de jure claim CB them. It's annoying. You ARE not their de jure liege. As long as their highest title is a duchy, then their primary title will be the titular duchy of the Knights of Calatrava/Santiago, which has no de jure liege. But they will still accept to become your vassals if: 1. You are an emperor. 2. You have the same culture (!) and religion as they have. 3. They like you.
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Feb 18, 2014 20:04
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Their highest level title is a county, not a duchy. If that changes anything. Or, wait, is what you're saying that the Holy Order itself is a duchy-level title, so even though they have a county in my lands they have a duchy in nobody's lands that's superceding that, and that's why I'm not their de jure liege? That actually makes sense.
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Feb 18, 2014 20:09
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The holy order title itself is a duchy, that's their highest level title, not the county.
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Feb 18, 2014 20:12
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New version of the Game of Thrones mod is up. Looks pretty cool http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?756819-RELEASE-A-Game-of-Thrones-v0.6 quote:Version 0.6
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Feb 18, 2014 20:16
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My Problems solved themselves! I decided to war dec york and grab their best county (York). So the Duchess of York capitulated to Ireland, presumably to end the war. The King of Ireland threw her in jail, and all of a sudden I can press my claimants claim. Although admittedly against Super-Ireland rather than just York, but they are just coming out of a brutal independence war so nothing can possiblieay go wrong.
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Feb 18, 2014 20:21
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CapnAndy posted:Their highest level title is a county, not a duchy. If that changes anything. That is correct. All holy orders and mercenary companies are titular duchies. And all religious head titles (Fylkirate, Caliphate etc.) are titular duchies as well, except for the Papacy and the Ecumenical Patriarchate.
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Feb 18, 2014 20:26
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Okay, so I'll just give the next duchy I conquer to my troublesome Holy Orders. That's not so bad.
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Feb 18, 2014 20:30
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How do I prevent Kingdom titles from being created once they are wiped out? In my current game the Kingdom of Portugal was fully integrated into the Kingdom of Andalucia, but despite the fact that Portugal has no vassals my vassal the Queen of Andalucia is able to create the titular kingdom, which causes problems if someone makes a war for the kingdom of Andalucia against her.CapnAndy posted:Okay, so I'll just give the next duchy I conquer to my troublesome Holy Orders. That's not so bad. I'm pretty sure you'll still have the penalty because their primary title will still be the holy order, which will still not be your de jure vassal.
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Feb 18, 2014 20:34
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CapnAndy posted:Okay, so I'll just give the next duchy I conquer to my troublesome Holy Orders. That's not so bad. That won't work either though? I'm pretty sure Holy Order titles are flagged so they'll always take precedence over other titles of similar rank, and the de jure liege check goes by primary title. They might change their primary title if tthey had a kingdom, but then they still won't accept diplovassalization because Kings auto-reject it. Your best bet is to try and maximize other factors - cultural unity, same dysnasty, good opinion, and hope for the best. Similarly for ulmont: even if you've vassalized the kingdom of Frisia, you won't count as the duchy of Holland's De Jure liege unless Frisia has de jure drifted into your empire (the King of Frisia would, but the duchy probably won't accept a diplovassalization from them because they're only one tier up.) Reveilled posted:How do I prevent Kingdom titles from being created once they are wiped out? In my current game the Kingdom of Portugal was fully integrated into the Kingdom of Andalucia, but despite the fact that Portugal has no vassals my vassal the Queen of Andalucia is able to create the titular kingdom, which causes problems if someone makes a war for the kingdom of Andalucia against her. You can't: I think you have to hold it yourself if you don't want it created (or, theoretically, gently caress with your vassals to make sure they don't meet whatever requirements might still exist, but since vanilla recently removed most of those requirements it's getting into  territory.
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Feb 18, 2014 20:39
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Reveilled posted:I'm pretty sure you'll still have the penalty because their primary title will still be the holy order, which will still not be your de jure vassal.
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Feb 18, 2014 20:40
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Dallan Invictus posted:Similarly for ulmont: even if you've vassalized the kingdom of Frisia, you won't count as the duchy of Holland's De Jure liege unless Frisia has de jure drifted into your empire (the King of Frisia would, but the duchy probably won't accept a diplovassalization from them because they're only one tier up.) CapnAndy posted:Or, wait, is what you're saying that the Holy Order itself is a duchy-level title, so even though they have a county in my lands they have a duchy in nobody's lands that's superceding that, and that's why I'm not their de jure liege? That actually makes sense. On another note, I really hate dejure drift in Spain. By the time I get there, Andalusia typically is over half of the peninsula and every other kingdom has like 4 de jure counties.
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Feb 18, 2014 20:57
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My heir is a genius, however he was brought up in his mother's Swabian court and is now German. I'm the King of England and my succession law is agnatic-cognatic primogeniture. East Francia is elective and it looks like my son is in line to be elected if the king should unfortunately die young. Should I try and make this happen? If he inherits East Francia first won't that be his primary title?
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Feb 18, 2014 21:20
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Charlz Guybon posted:My heir is a genius, however he was brought up in his mother's Swabian court and is now German. I'm the King of England and my succession law is agnatic-cognatic primogeniture. East Francia is elective and it looks like my son is in line to be elected if the king should unfortunately die young. Should I try and make this happen? If he inherits East Francia first won't that be his primary title?
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Feb 18, 2014 21:25
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CapnAndy posted:Their highest level title is a county, not a duchy. If that changes anything. Yep, that's why when I gave the Holy Order a King level title, it became his primary. Because it's a proper landed title, he then followed normal succession mechanics, and so I was able to inherit all his titles when I stabbed him.
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Feb 18, 2014 21:56
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CapnAndy posted:It would be, yeah, but once you're playing as him you could make England your primary again. The big thing to worry about is all the time between his election and when you take over as him, when he'll be totally out of control and doing a bunch of dumb AI King poo poo. Well, he already inherited his mother's dukedom and aside from being arbitrary and assassinating a random Karling of no importance he hasn't gone totally crazy yet. Is there anyway to change him to Anglo-Saxon once he takes over, or is culture forever?
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Feb 18, 2014 22:03
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Charlz Guybon posted:Is there anyway to change him to Anglo-Saxon once he takes over, or is culture forever? A ruler can choose to change to his province's culture, and there is also an event that can fire changing your ruler to your capital's culture.
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Feb 18, 2014 22:07
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Hey there fellow baby murderers, today the third dev. diary of Rajas came out. Here's a link to the the one and earlier versions, should you want to see them. I always find them pretty interesting. Dev. Diary 1 http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?753709-Crusader-Kings-II-Rajas-of-India-Dev-Diary-1-Overview Dev. Diary 2 http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?755281-Crusader-Kings-II-Rajas-of-India-Dev-Diary-2-Indian-Religion Dev. Diary 3 http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?756806-Crusader-Kings-II-Rajas-of-India-Dev-Diary-3-Indian-Events-and-Decisions
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Feb 18, 2014 22:32
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CapnAndy posted:Fuuuuuck. I'm not sure what option I hate worse, giving some jerks a kingdom just to make my borders prettier or just expelling them. I'm in the same boat as you wrt the Iberian HOs. What I think I'm gonna do, is wait until they get a Basque Grandmaster and then offer vassalisation. The only problem is that I think anyone who becomes GM automatically becomes Castilian, tho not sure of this.
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Feb 18, 2014 22:46
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CapnAndy posted:Fuuuuuck. I'm not sure what option I hate worse, giving some jerks a kingdom just to make my borders prettier or just expelling them. No, he's wrong. Giving the holy order a duchy in your Empire removes the "de Jure liege" penalty and allows you to vassalize them even if you're wrong culture. I've done it with holy orders of three religions now.
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Feb 18, 2014 23:46
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Oh god, the "rebels flocking to their banner" event is horrific when vassal kingdoms are rebelling. The rebelling alliance of France, Bavaria, Italy, Aquataine, Castille, and Scotland just got 126,000 event troops. Will an independence revolt end if my ruler dies? I've got the money to diplo-stab the enemy leader a few times, but those always seem to be a crapshoot with an even chance of killing my own ruler via counterstabs.
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Feb 19, 2014 02:35
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Yesterday I found out that pressing a claim of one of your vassal's mothers is great because even if they get are independent and then knocked off the throne at your next generation you will have a vassal with a strong claim to whatever the foreign title is and if you press it he will stay your vassal.
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Feb 19, 2014 02:54
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SeaTard posted:A ruler can choose to change to his province's culture, and there is also an event that can fire changing your ruler to your capital's culture. Both those events are extremely rare though. Basically, never let potential heirs out of your sight and never let people of other cultures educate them unless you really enjoy -20 foreigner opinion penalties and various other inconveniences.
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Feb 19, 2014 03:50
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It isn't possible to rename armies, is it? That's one thing you can do in EU4 that I really miss in CK2; while renaming levies would be silly, I'd like to be able to rename my retinue stacks so that I can easily spot them on the outliner list.
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Feb 19, 2014 05:16
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They're automatically called "Retinue of <your title & name>" if they have no leader in charge. Alternatively you could put a random courtier with a memorable name in charge of them, I guess 
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Feb 19, 2014 06:39
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Allyn posted:Alternatively you could put a random courtier with a memorable name in charge of them, I guess I love this idea, because in real life it would lead to military-inclined courtiers trying to one-up each other with ridiculous names.
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Feb 19, 2014 06:52
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Main Paineframe posted:Oh god, the "rebels flocking to their banner" event is horrific when vassal kingdoms are rebelling. The rebelling alliance of France, Bavaria, Italy, Aquataine, Castille, and Scotland just got 126,000 event troops. Don't worry about it, the AI is notoriously awful at managing large armies, hence why the Mongol doom stacks are scripted to have no attrition. The AI will end up attritioning their massive doom stack into a 20k stack very easily. I had success keeping my army near enough that the AI would prefer to attack my army than assault holdings. quote:Will an independence revolt end if my ruler dies? I don't think so, worse if they win, you may not get a claim on them to take it back. quote:I've got the money to diplo-stab the enemy leader a few times, but those always seem to be a crapshoot with an even chance of killing my own ruler via counterstabs. I've never been counterstabbed, but stabbing the leader is a stop-gap at best unless you're somehow able to change everyone's opinions, since they keep the event troops and the next time they want to start a faction they will hit the threshold quickly and it will all start again, though possibly with different vassals.
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Feb 19, 2014 09:34
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Allyn posted:They're automatically called "Retinue of <your title & name>" if they have no leader in charge. Alternatively you could put a random courtier with a memorable name in charge of them, I guess They were, when they were first introduced, but these days all I see is 'Byzantine Army' or 'British Army' or whatever - and when I put someone in charge it's always 'Army of <name>'. 
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Feb 19, 2014 09:41
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Edison was a dick posted:Don't worry about it, the AI is notoriously awful at managing large armies, hence why the Mongol doom stacks are scripted to have no attrition. Aren't all event troops immune to attrition? I don't think the rebels doom stack, granted by an event, will attrit at all.
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Feb 19, 2014 10:07
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I don't like the rebel doomstacks for revolting lords. It would make more sense for more grass roots rebellions to get doomstacks instead, like culture or religious revolts. I don't understand how the Norse Catholic Duke of Damietta for example would convince 20,000 locals to support him, but I can sure see a Sunni Revolt doing that.
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Feb 19, 2014 10:33
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Edison was a dick posted:Don't worry about it, the AI is notoriously awful at managing large armies, hence why the Mongol doom stacks are scripted to have no attrition. Stabbing the revolt leader ended up working fine, actually. Turns out my Spymaster had an Intrigue stat of 30, which has been making diplo-assassinations a breeze. I'd wanted to fight it out if I could, for the chance to imprison the rebels and finally revoke those troublesome kingdoms. Sadly, it was taking forever to raise my levies and move them to where they were needed, and in the meantime they were using the event doomstacks to quickly siege down province after province, so my warscore was dropping faster than I could pull it back up and I eventually started stabbing around -80%. The event troops seem to be gone, though it's possible they put them all on the same province in peacetime and let attrition whittle them down to nothing (and the stacks were definitely taking attrition during the war). I've been counterstabbed before in this game, and it sucked pretty hard since so I've been wary of it. The opinion penalties have mostly taken care of themselves, though - it was mostly just short-reign penalties combined with high taxes my child ruler wasn't allowed to lower. Also, a whole lot of foreigner penalties since just about all the king titles in my realm are held by people of different cultures, but not much I can do about that short of intentionally making them rebel. I've got the "Defending from foreigners" modifier most of the time anyway since I'm getting revolts so often, since heresies are popping up everywhere despite Orthodoxy's maxed-out moral authority and it's impossible for the court chaplains of my realm to keep up with both the conquered foreign territory and the constant heresy spawns.
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Starting as Ivar the Boneless and getting a 7000 strong Irish Liberation rebellion with heavy cavalry before even 50 years has passed sucks.
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