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Aren't a lot of the "blue collar" comedians considered conservative?
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Feb 19, 2014 22:08
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Elephant Ambush posted:Aren't a lot of the "blue collar" comedians considered conservative? It's certainly their schtick, and they sell it well.
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Feb 19, 2014 22:23
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Intel&Sebastian posted:To me he's about as close as you could get to a generally successful "conservative" comic. Penn Jillette? Maybe Dennis Miller. I forgot about The Blue Collar Comedy dudes.
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Feb 19, 2014 22:28
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BiggerBoat posted:I forgot about The Blue Collar Comedy dudes.
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Feb 19, 2014 22:32
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Dennis Miller was successful before he branded himself a conservative, and his star has not stopped falling since he branded himself a conservative. While Penn is a massive lolbertarian, it's not a big part of his act. The Blue Collar guys are at best "culturally" conservative in that they joke about things one would associate with conservative rednecks, but their comedy has little or no politics in it.
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Feb 19, 2014 22:33
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Elephant Ambush posted:Aren't a lot of the "blue collar" comedians considered conservative? In that their audiences lean rural, white, and old and they themselves wear a folksy, down home persona. Jeff Foxworthy sends his kids to a religious private school and Ron White likes to hang out at a rural bougie winery resort thing. But though they may be conservative in outlook they're not Conservative Comedians, in that they don't rely on politics as material. e: I only know where Foxworthy's kids go to school because my girlfriend's little sister also attends this school and hangs out with his daughter, I'm not some creepshow stalker. boner confessor fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Feb 19, 2014 |
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Feb 19, 2014 22:35
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The BCC and Dennis Miller are both niche comic acts these days, and possibly fugazi in how Conservative they actually are. The water is also muddy because you can just be a white comic with poorly thought out race relation jokes and that will get you labeled as conservative because no one else thinks it's funny. I think that's pretty much what happened to Dennis Miller, he rode some bad waves after 9/11 and decided he'd rather play to the people who were still laughing rather than figure out why most of the room just left.
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Feb 19, 2014 22:37
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Dennis Miller was such a hero back in the Weekend Update days. God, my friends and I loved him so much. I'm probably repeating myself but when Conan got his TBS show Dennis was a guest, and I tuned in hoping he'd be a good guest and be funny. Man, was I wrong. In the first few sentences of the interview he just, completely out of left field and apropos of exactly nothing, a total non-sequitur, he crowbarred in some horrible mysoginistic comment about how ugly Nancy Pelosi is. I changed the channel but I was irrationally pissed as hell for awhile. Didn't even know why, because it's not like I love Pelosi or anything, but it was just so low and uncalled-for. I've hated his guts ever since.
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Feb 19, 2014 22:38
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Dr. Faustus posted:Me too, because none of them are funny. I find Ron White to be pretty funny. Maybe it's because I drink a lot. Dr. Faustus posted:Dennis Miller was such a hero back in the Weekend Update days. God, my friends and I loved him so much. You have a link for this? I used to like some of Dennis Miller's stand up and liked him OK enough on SNL but I've never heard of the thing you're talking about. HAHAHAHA. Nancy Pelosi is unattractive. That's loving hilarious. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Feb 19, 2014 |
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Feb 19, 2014 22:40
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Opie and Anthony are pretty conservative; if you look up that bit with Louie CK and Donald Rumsfeld they're both slobbering on him and talking about how great they think he is before Louie manages to cut in and ask Rumsfeld if he and Dick Cheney are really lizard people who eat babies. They don't define themselves as "conservative comedy" but they are both of those things, which is the trick here.
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Feb 19, 2014 22:52
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I think Miller just went crazy after 9/11 like a lot of people, and unfortunately stayed that way.
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Feb 19, 2014 22:52
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BiggerBoat posted:Penn Jillette? Maybe Dennis Miller. I forgot about The Blue Collar Comedy dudes. Penn is about as pure libertarian as you can get. He is pro drug legalization, hates religion, is pro gay marriage and pro choice, is a swinger and then is all about no govt in anything. I don't really consider that conservative. Dumb or arrogant or misguided, but not conservative.
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Feb 19, 2014 23:06
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Penn is about as pure libertarian as you can get. He is pro drug legalization, hates religion, is pro gay marriage and pro choice, is a swinger and then is all about no govt in anything. I don't really consider that conservative. Dumb or arrogant or misguided, but not conservative. His attitude about the disabled transcends conservatism. Or mirrors it depending who you ask.
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Feb 19, 2014 23:12
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Intel&Sebastian posted:To me he's about as close as you could get to a generally successful "conservative" comic. Norm MacDonald, Colin Quinn, Larry Miller, Nick DiPaolo, Mike Nelson- though he's not really a standup.
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Feb 19, 2014 23:15
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BiggerBoat posted:I find Ron White to be pretty funny. Maybe it's because I drink a lot. I guess Ron White is ok. No link, I don't want to see it again.
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Feb 19, 2014 23:16
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Dr. Faustus posted:In the first few sentences of the interview he just, completely out of left field and apropos of exactly nothing, a total non-sequitur, he crowbarred in some horrible mysoginistic comment about how ugly Nancy Pelosi is. This is pretty much Miller in a nutshell. He used to make slightly obscure historical and cultural references. Now he makes fun of a senior citizen for having wrinkles. WoodrowSkillson is correct. Penn is too far out on the lolbertarian limb to be called a conservative. E: I wouldn't call Norm a conservative comedian. His act is mainly about laziness and sports. Larry Miller is just a standard "complain about modern life" comedian whose schtick leans grumpy instead of charming. PeterWeller fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Feb 19, 2014 |
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Feb 19, 2014 23:17
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There's also a thing that I noticed, too, where the pundits would cite things like, "You see how they're attacking this conservative on this talk show or whatever in their comedy bits?! They'd never do that to a liberal!" Then, when they DO it to a liberal, it's either ignored or flipped around to prove they're right because, "You see how unpopular and corrupt this liberal figure is now that even the leftist media is mocking them! They're finally waking up, people!"
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Feb 19, 2014 23:23
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PeterWeller posted:E: I wouldn't call Norm a conservative comedian. His act is mainly about laziness and sports. Larry Miller is just a standard "complain about modern life" comedian whose schtick leans grumpy instead of charming. They're definitely both conservative, but that's the point- you wouldn't know that from their acts. The "conservative" comedians who suck do so because it's ideology first jokes second. Same thing with "christian" musicians, and all those conservative actors who bitch about the liberal Hollywood cabal blackballing them.
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Feb 19, 2014 23:27
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Are they really? Where have they revealed their political leanings? I don't doubt you, but I'd like to read Norm's reasoning. Btw, isn't he Canadian?
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Feb 19, 2014 23:29
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BiggerBoat posted:I find Ron White to be pretty funny. Maybe it's because I drink a lot. I was scared that I was the only one. Also, does Christopher Titus count as a conservative comedian?
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Feb 19, 2014 23:31
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Drew Carey is at the very least a registered Republican, if I remember correctly. Like many of the other politically conservative comics mentioned, he ultimately lean more in the direction of "I hate paying taxes" and "things are too PC these days" rather than "kill all A-rabs" or "theocracy rules". Also, Chris Farley was very pious Catholic, but I don't know if that translated to politically conservative views or not.
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Feb 19, 2014 23:34
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Dr. Faustus posted:I guess Ron White is ok. I've only seen a Ron White bit once. He was on TV when I was at a friend's house. He said a bunch of sexist and homophobic stuff so I'd consider that conservative. He also had a really smug air about him like "Hey check it out I'm like Johnny Cash because I always wear black and aren't I suave and classy because I smoke expensive cigars and drink expensive whiskey on stage" and that made it even worse.
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Feb 19, 2014 23:36
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loving CNN and Sippy Cupp: http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/18/opinion/cupp-cbo-report-minimum-wage/index.html?hpt=hp_t4 quote:Minimum wage hike's inconvenient truth I can't even. "Should we grow the middle class? Is that a 'good thing?'" Dr. Faustus fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Feb 20, 2014 |
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Feb 20, 2014 00:03
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I've only seen a few of his bits, but he's pretty self depricating about his drinking. It's not like 90's Dennis Leary with his "I'm a real man because I drink and smoke and eat cheeseburgers in my Cadillac that gets 5 gallons a mile." Thinking of it, the rear end in a top hat song was probably the high water mark of conservative humor being humorous and successful and that was in like '94.
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Feb 20, 2014 00:04
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PeterWeller posted:Are they really? Where have they revealed their political leanings? I don't doubt you, but I'd like to read Norm's reasoning. Btw, isn't he Canadian? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek0Hpa44f3c It's not like he's super right wing or anything.
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Feb 20, 2014 00:16
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comes along bort posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek0Hpa44f3c Thanks. Though from that I don't get the sense he is conservative so much that he is playing to the audience. The only two policy stances he takes are pro-life and anti-death penalty. And he engages in some mild Hillary bashing, but I can't think of a 90's comic who doesn't.
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Feb 20, 2014 00:26
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Adam Corolla, though he obviously never did much stand up. When shock is your shtick, you tend to have a fairly limited shelf-life.
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Feb 20, 2014 00:42
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Dr. Faustus posted:Dennis Miller was such a hero back in the Weekend Update days. God, my friends and I loved him so much.  " like even if we were to agree with that, why the hell does it matter and how is it funny? I remember in the clip of the Fox News Daily Show wannabe thing, out of the zillion things they could've legitimately criticized Obama for, they instead chose to make fun of how his initials are B.O. (You know, like BODY ODOR?!?!)
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Feb 20, 2014 00:51
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JediTalentAgent posted:There's also a thing that I noticed, too, where the pundits would cite things like, "You see how they're attacking this conservative on this talk show or whatever in their comedy bits?! They'd never do that to a liberal!" "They" (comedians) do it to liberals all the time, at least when there's a humorous angle to take on it. Think if all the classic send ups "liberal shows" like SNL, The Daily Show, The Tonight Show and The Colbert Report have done on Bill and Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, Obama, Carter, Dukakis, Kerry, Sharpton, Spitzer, Weiner, Jesse Jackson, David Patterson, Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw, John Edwards, Cronkite and even Dennis loving Kucinich. That list goes on and on and they skewer their own constantly. The more I think about it, it just seems like another avenue for conservatives to drive down that furthers their inferiority/persecution complex. This might make a good thread topic if I can figure out a way to set it up. KittenofDoom posted:When shock is your shtick, you tend to have a fairly limited shelf-life. I'm not too sure about this statement. I think it depends on how you do it. Rush, Savage...poo poo, even Stern have been around for a long, long time. MizPiz posted:I was scared that I was the only one. The only who drinks a lot or the only one who finds Ron White funny? Or both? PeterWeller posted:Dennis Leary... That song is/was pure satire and was making fun of conservative selfish assholes. Pretty sure you missed the point on that song/bit. I don't think it was celebrating assholism. At least I never took it that way. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Feb 20, 2014 |
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Feb 20, 2014 01:03
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Ron White isn't funny. I think it's safe to say that's an objective assessment, given that he's been around for ages and you only ever see him on the country music channel.
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Feb 20, 2014 01:14
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He's got funny bits, he just hasn't had any new ones for the past decade apparently.
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Feb 20, 2014 01:16
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I was gonna suggest Nick DiPaolo, but he really just comes off as a mean dickhead and bigot more than specifically conservative, although I guess that is pretty much the same thing these days. I saw him once at a comedy club in NYC and he did not tell a single joke during his entire set, just spent the whole time picking fights with people in the audience and checking his watch. What the gently caress.
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Feb 20, 2014 01:27
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KittenofDoom posted:And, like a conservative, hit shitheadery has pushed him out of mainstream entertainment into a free podcast and the occasional appearance on The O'Reilly Factor. It's more of the fact that Carolla has been repeating the same loving thing for close to a decade now. It's pretty bad when he's telegraphing it, and you as a listener can figure out what canned rant that he's done a billion times is coming up next.
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Feb 20, 2014 01:50
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KittenofDoom posted:And, like a conservative, hit shitheadery has pushed him out of mainstream entertainment into a free podcast and the occasional appearance on The O'Reilly Factor. Carolla was never really much about shock, and more about dispensing Andy Rooney-esque folksy common sense for the masses. He also actually doesn't seem to hate black people, birth control, gays, drugs, sex, and atheism. So in the 90's that made him kind of left wing because of the where the political spectrum was at the time. The libertarian movement didn't really exist outside of Birchers back then, and nobody was giving them the time of day. With the rest of society moving further to the left of Carolla on a lot of that list of things he doesn't hate, Carolla kind of stayed put or moved rightward a smidge. He also has consistently been very prejudiced against Latino people. In the 90's nobody really cared so much about that because the front page news was more dominated by stuff like Rodney King and OJ. With the immigration issues coming into the foreground more recently it has become very clear just how racist he is against Latino people. He hasn't really changed. I just think people didn't really notice. So society has kind of moved leftward, and left him behind. The libertarians eventually perfected his schtick. Then he became a rich dude, significantly changed who he hung out with, and has spun off into an oblivion of "mah taxes" and "do you want to live in a society where pot is legal?" and "What if America just becomes Mexico, huh? What then, smart guy?" and "You didn't build that!" Also, despite being kind of actually somewhat intelligent, he has absolutely zero in terms of any wisdom outside of relationship advice. So he hangs around with all these right wing assholes, and doesn't know enough to understand they're actually working against 90% of his actual belief structure. He's like the exact person Lee Atwater was talking about in that famous quote about how racial dog whistles work. Adam Carolla isn't smart enough to understand that the things right wing people say to him are things he actually disagrees with. ErIog fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Feb 20, 2014 |
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Feb 20, 2014 01:57
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BiggerBoat posted:That song is/was pure satire and was making fun of conservative selfish assholes. Pretty sure you missed the point on that song/bit. I don't think it was celebrating assholism. At least I never took it that way. Maybe I did. I was 13 when that CD came out and I listened to it religiously. But being an rear end in a top hat was his whole schtick at the time, something he carried to his MTV appearances and his characters in films like The Ref and Suicide Kings. Maybe I fell victim to Poe's law. I never thought of it as a satire of the type.
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Feb 20, 2014 02:00
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BiggerBoat posted:
To be fair, Rush and Savage operate more on the "simmering outrage" than shock. They'll toss out some real out-there-even-for-them bombast periodically, but their bread and butter is keeping the hatefires stoked and smoldering. Stern is...well, he's Stern. Though unless you're a dedicated SXM listener you've probably not heard his name for a decade now.
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Feb 20, 2014 02:22
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ErIog posted:Then he became a rich dude It's a good way to get a lucrative audience of middle and upper-middle class listeners, forever reinforcing their just-world view of society.
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Feb 20, 2014 02:26
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I think you can be a "conservative/libertarian" and be funny if you're able to balance things correctly. For example, Mike Nelson is naturally funny and doesn't seem to push his politic beliefs all that much. The times he has done jokes revolving around politicians have been stuff like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f9lWeJQq_Y It doesn't come off as disrespectful, and is rather hilarious. I don't agree with Penn Jillette on a lot of the things he believes in, but it doesn't seem to come off as outwardly racist/homophobic in anyways. The policies he advocates? Are terrible. But at least he kind of calls out social conservatives on their bullshit, along with other groups of awful people (like 9/11 Truthers. I agree with his thoughts, that if you see one, you should throw them down a flight of stairs).
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Feb 20, 2014 02:34
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FMguru posted:There's a lot of "I was a broke-rear end poor person for most of my life, I managed to become a zillionaire through hard work and talent, why can't other poor people just do the same as me?" in his routine. I made it out of poverty / therefore anyone can make it out if they apply themselves / therefore poor people are just lazy or stupid and why should I have to subsidize them? Plus, he has almost an infinite supply of stories about the drug-addled screwups he worked with when he was hanging drywall for $50/day, as if they encompassed the entirety of the working poor or their dysfunctions weren't the result of their poverty and not the cause. I listened to Corolla pretty religiously up until he spun off his own podcast. When he didn't have anybody as a check to his ego he really jumped on the "mah taxes" bandwagon. Just because he got a lucky break into showbiz doesn't make him an ubermensch. Without those midlevel showbiz people telling him off and having to deal with actual callers he lost his touch with reality.
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Feb 20, 2014 02:54
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Intel&Sebastian posted:To me he's about as close as you could get to a generally successful "conservative" comic. If you dig any further down than his act and a few aspects of his public persona though it is liberal turtles all the way down. Norm McDonald, who looks and sounds suspiciously like Adam Carolla.
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Feb 20, 2014 03:03
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