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Filthy Haiku posted:Anyone have any Battle Maison teams I could look at to get some ideas? I only just realized how much grinding I'm going to need. For Singles I swear by the strategy of M-Scizor, Water Type, and Dragon Type. Scizor - Greninja - Dragonite is a pretty solid squad, for example. Also decent is Scizor-Azumarill-Goodra. Scizor is a defensive juggernaut that overcomes just about anything but a fire-type in the Maison while setting up to +6 Atk and having a priority move. Your other two pokemon are there to remove fire types or can sometimes just sweep on their own too. Zoness fucked around with this message at 10:58 on Feb 20, 2014 |
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Okay, the Psychic Gym is cool as hell. We've come a long way since Sabrina's dull rooms with teleporters
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Feb 20, 2014 11:00
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mfcrocker posted:Okay, the Psychic Gym is cool as hell. We've come a long way since Sabrina's dull rooms with teleporters Too bad the Fairy lady just stole that idea instead 
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Feb 20, 2014 11:02
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Captain Pissweak posted:Too bad the Fairy lady just stole that idea instead Haha yeah, gently caress that gym. Man, even the battle field for the Psychic gym owns. It makes me a little sad because there's very little chance the E4 is going to be as sweet-looking as this
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Feb 20, 2014 11:38
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I would like to see a gym that is a wide open area, filled with trainers actually training their dudes and notably without some dumbass puzzle to waste the time of people entering.
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Feb 20, 2014 11:48
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mfcrocker posted:Haha yeah, gently caress that gym. The Elite 4 is so over the top in gen 6, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
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Feb 20, 2014 12:06
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:The Elite 4 is so over the top in gen 6, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. Yay!  Gotta say, I'm definitely enjoying this gen like it's 1998, despite having played every gen so far.
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Feb 20, 2014 12:13
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Is there a good way to trade for Pokebank stuff on gts? Usually I had an easy time finding trades for version exclusives a few months back, but most of the Pokebank Pokemon I looked at are all generic X legendary fodder.
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Feb 20, 2014 12:52
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Filthy Haiku posted:Anyone have any Battle Maison teams I could look at to get some ideas? I only just realized how much grinding I'm going to need. I've found that when assembling a Maison team grinding isn't actually that much of an issue once you're at a high enough Chateau rank, and neither is EV training, really. The main annoyance is long breeding chains just to get a perfect set of egg moves and IVs.
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Just got my first shiny post Shiny Charm. I assume it was a Masuda Method one, since I was breeding Mareep with Perfect Stud Ditto. Unfortunately, it's got completely wrong IV's for it's nature, and I wouldn't use a shiny one as part of my Mega evo collection anyways. Into the box for eternity my little pink sheep goes.
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Crawfish posted:Unfortunately, it's got completely wrong IV's for it's nature, and I wouldn't use a shiny one as part of my Mega evo collection anyways. Into the box for eternity my little pink sheep goes. Just wanted you to know you're an awful person. That sheep deserves better.
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Filthy Haiku posted:Anyone have any Battle Maison teams I could look at to get some ideas? I only just realized how much grinding I'm going to need. I've found that Drizzle teams still mess the Maison up pretty well. Politoed and Kingdra/Ludicolo don't share any weaknesses even though they're all water types. Throw in a Scizor to deal with special tanks/grass types and it's pretty solid. I am Reverend fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Feb 20, 2014 |
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Feb 20, 2014 18:28
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I haven't played X/Y yet but just learned that apparently Mewtwo isn't one-of-a-kind anymore. Somebody explain this bullshit.
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Esroc posted:I haven't played X/Y yet but just learned that apparently Mewtwo isn't one-of-a-kind anymore. Somebody explain this bullshit. It's a clone. They cloned more of them, duh. I am Reverend posted:I've found that Drizzle teams still mess the Maison up pretty well. Politoed and Kingdra/Ludicolo don't share any weaknesses even though they're all water types. Throw in a Scizor to deal with special tanks/grass types and it's pretty solid. Scizor is really one of the best pokemon for Maison. It's basically immune to status and has the bulk to handle so many things. Having only one weakness is also really nice. Bullet Punch and X-Scissor (or another move) might not have a lot of punch but Swords Dance helps with that and there's almost always something you can set up on.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHBc6RtW9y0 This video is going around. Esroc posted:I haven't played X/Y yet but just learned that apparently Mewtwo isn't one-of-a-kind anymore. Somebody explain this bullshit. Mewtwo is one of a kind in each video game. However, to keep the story alive, as far as the game world is concerned the trainer from the previous games only fainted the legendary Pokemon instead of catching them. The only exception being Black/White where it forced you to catch Reshiram/Zekrom.
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Blhue posted:I would like to see a gym that is a wide open area, filled with trainers actually training their dudes and notably without some dumbass puzzle to waste the time of people entering. Cheren's Gym, B2W2, large battlefield in the back of a school, just fight two trainers, then the leader. Esroc posted:I haven't played X/Y yet but just learned that apparently Mewtwo isn't one-of-a-kind anymore. Somebody explain this bullshit. You probably shouldn't watch Movie 16 then. Dehry posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHBc6RtW9y0  Good that they're actually confirmed instead of being somewhat able to doubt. Shame they don't have anything new (just assign Pokemon a Levitate trait like some moves have a sound trait instead of slapping it on loads of others) and their design is... pretty bad, why do they look pretty much the same apart from the eyes? It looks kinda last minute, really. Crosspeice fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Feb 20, 2014 |
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Feb 20, 2014 18:39
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Random question: Most online resources suggest Return as the penultimate physical Normal move because of it's high base power, but this only really works for simulators since you can just set the happiness value there. What's the best way to go for Return/Frustration on an actual in game mon that's going to be sitting in my box 99% of the time? Will it's happiness eventually rest at 1 making Frustration the better choice or is there some way to keep happiness from degrading in the box?
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Feb 20, 2014 19:56
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Pokémon maintain their happiness when put in a box so Return is what you should be using.
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Feb 20, 2014 19:58
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LanceKing2200 posted:Random question: Most online resources suggest Return as the penultimate physical Normal move because of it's high base power, but this only really works for simulators since you can just set the happiness value there. When you say penultimate, what normal type move are you suggesting that is better than Return? Double-Edge is pretty good but most sweepers actually prefer Return, notable exceptions being anything Reckless (mostly Staraptor).
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LanceKing2200 posted:Random question: Most online resources suggest Return as the penultimate physical Normal move because of it's high base power, but this only really works for simulators since you can just set the happiness value there. What's the best way to go for Return/Frustration on an actual in game mon that's going to be sitting in my box 99% of the time? Will it's happiness eventually rest at 1 making Frustration the better choice or is there some way to keep happiness from degrading in the box? Happiness doesn't really decay ever and it's basically trivial to max out so don't ever run Frustration.
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Ok, thanks. For some reason I remember happiness decaying down to a certain level when mons sit in the box.
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LanceKing2200 posted:Random question: Most online resources suggest Return as the penultimate physical Normal move because of it's high base power, but this only really works for simulators since you can just set the happiness value there. What's the best way to go for Return/Frustration on an actual in game mon that's going to be sitting in my box 99% of the time? Will it's happiness eventually rest at 1 making Frustration the better choice or is there some way to keep happiness from degrading in the box? Happiness won't degrade unless you let your Pokemon faint often, feed them herbal medicine or just do stuff they don't like. You cannot lose happiness through neglect. The easiest way I've found to raise happiness is to run the Pokemon once through Le Wow's rotation because you'll get a ton of levels and Pokemon get quite a bit of happiness from levels, and then after that just give the Pokemon a soothe bell and bike around the Eiffel Tower. This works a little better for hatched Pokemon because hatched Pokemon start with 40 more happiness than caught Pokemon, which is over 50% more than what they start with (normally, it's 70, hatched starts with 110).
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LanceKing2200 posted:Ok, thanks. For some reason I remember happiness decaying down to a certain level when mons sit in the box. Pokemon's happiness value used to decrease every time you'd put it in a box, but that hasn't been the case since Gen 2. I know that because Pikachu was a bitch to keep happy  I'm super angry at how useless Ledian is. He's the cutest thing and I wanna use him so badly but he's offering me nothing. poo poo stats, inconsistent move pool and abilities (Iron Fist and none of the elemental punches?) and the only thing he has going is okay Speed and a bizarrely high Special Defense.
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Zoness posted:When you say penultimate, what normal type move are you suggesting that is better than Return? The physical equivalent to Hyper Beam probably. I forget its name because who the gently caress uses it.
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Blhue posted:The physical equivalent to Hyper Beam probably. I forget its name because who the gently caress uses it. GIGA IMPACTO is 100% the best move ever ever.
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horriblePencilist posted:I'm super angry at how useless Ledian is. He's the cutest thing and I wanna use him so badly but he's offering me nothing. poo poo stats, inconsistent move pool and abilities (Iron Fist and none of the elemental punches?) and the only thing he has going is okay Speed and a bizarrely high Special Defense. It's pretty amazing how terrible a lot of older Pokemon are. Ledian did not get a STAB move in Gen II, it wasn't until Gen III when it could learn Silver Wind... as an egg move.
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Dr Pepper posted:It's pretty amazing how terrible a lot of older Pokemon are. Look at Pinsir. It had toget pissed and practically hack the game to get a better STAB attack than "Scizor's leftover garbage". E: G/S Gyarados was even worse, and don't get me started on Togepi and Marill... Rudoku fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Feb 20, 2014 |
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For all the Pokebank users out there you can renew your subscription today! It asks you in game if you have 14 or less days remaining and it adds 365 days to your remaining total.
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Dr Pepper posted:It's pretty amazing how terrible a lot of older Pokemon are. The first couple of Gens were really experimental, which explains why so many of the pokemon from those eras were such garbage. Especially Bug pokemon who had to wait until Gen IV before Gamefreak started taking them seriously. Ledian is one that really stands out because the little ladybug power ranger just seems so thoroughly screwed that you'd swear Gamefreak had a grudge against it despite its unique look.
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Lots of pokemon are bad on purpose because they're meant to be used in the early part of the single player campaign, and frequently have niches in certain parts of those games. The early-game bugs and the late-game dragons are the most extreme examples of this. You're not really meant to use Butterfree or Ledian past the midgame or so, and you're not really meant to use Axew or Dratini at all, since by the time they're available your party will be in the 50s-60s, which happens to be when the dragons evolve. Of course, this means that a lot of cool pokemon from the first three generations like Kricketune and Beedrill are kind of competitive casualties, but it's pretty well-recorded that GF and TPC didn't care about competitive pokemon until well into generation 4. There's always the lower tiers on Smogon! vvv Give it speed boost so it can baton pass in NU! 
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If you got into the Beta competition, it starts tonight (check the Global Link site to see if you got in). Players will be limited to no more than 20 battles in the competition per day. Pokemon will be set to level 30 in the battles, and it looks like all Pokemon can be used (whether they're from Kalos or not) except for the various title legendaries and Mewtwo, Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, Deoxys, Phione, Manaphy, Darkrai, Shaymin, Arceus, Victini, Keldeo, Meloetta, and Genesect. As for Ledian, how would you even fix it? Its stats are so fundamentally broken that no move or ability would save it.
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^^ Swap special def with speed, speed with attack, give him the elemental punches, power-up punch, megahorn for STAB and pursuit for options. Have him carry Iron Fist, a Focus Sash and Drain Punch and you have a glass cannon that can restore his health almost instantly.Sade posted:Lots of pokemon are bad on purpose because they're meant to be used in the early part of the single player campaign, and frequently have niches in certain parts of those games. The early-game bugs and the late-game dragons are the most extreme examples of this. You're not really meant to use Butterfree or Ledian past the midgame or so, and you're not really meant to use Axew or Dratini at all, since by the time they're available your party will be in the 50s-60s, which happens to be when the dragons evolve. Of course, this means that a lot of cool pokemon from the first three generations like Kricketune and Beedrill are kind of competitive casualties, but it's pretty well-recorded that GF and TPC didn't care about competitive pokemon until well into generation 4. There's always the lower tiers on Smogon! The different purposes of types between single- and multiplayer have always bothered me. Giving Dragon resistance towards the starters and weak to only the 2 rarest types makes sense for the game but is absolutely dumb from a competitive standpoint. Also I wish GF would fix Rock. Rock is supposed to be sturdy yet it's the worst defensive type next to Ice and extremely useful when used offensively. How did that happen? horriblePencilist fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Feb 20, 2014 |
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Sade posted:Lots of pokemon are bad on purpose because they're meant to be used in the early part of the single player campaign. This argument has been made and it's a crap argument, especially with the availability of Hidden Abilities. Talonflame has unexciting stats without gale wings, and Gale Wings Talonflame isn't accessible until you've beaten the game. The real reason is that they're bad because they're bad and TPCI / Game Freak / Nintendo simply don't care. Zoness fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Feb 20, 2014 |
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Sade posted:Lots of pokemon are bad on purpose because they're meant to be used in the early part of the single player campaign, and frequently have niches in certain parts of those games. The early-game bugs and the late-game dragons are the most extreme examples of this. You're not really meant to use Butterfree or Ledian past the midgame or so, and you're not really meant to use Axew or Dratini at all, since by the time they're available your party will be in the 50s-60s, which happens to be when the dragons evolve. Of course, this means that a lot of cool pokemon from the first three generations like Kricketune and Beedrill are kind of competitive casualties, but it's pretty well-recorded that GF and TPC didn't care about competitive pokemon until well into generation 4. There's always the lower tiers on Smogon! Axew is available, readily, before the second gym on a required path in X/Y and Gible is right outside of Gym 4 while Goomy is right after gym 5. Gible was available right after the second gym in Platinum. Dratini was available from the game corner for a pittance in R/B and FR/LG etc. I don't buy that you aren't supposed to use them. Part of the problem with the last few gens is that you have a spread of pokemon like Beedrill, and pokemon like Absol (base 130 attack) or Axew (Haxorus has 147 base attack) available within a very short distance of each other. And then you have poo poo like Houndour and Murkrow only existing in the postgame until the fourth generation. There isn't really a rhyme or reason to how they distribute poo poo.
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Also I actually used a Haxorus in my playthrough of B/W  . Also keep in mind that you had access to 2 non-starter fire types in D/P (not Pt) before the E4, and that they're both crap.
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Zore posted:Axew is available, readily, before the second gym on a required path in X/Y and Gible is right outside of Gym 4 while Goomy is right after gym 5. Gible was available right after the second gym in Platinum. Dratini was available from the game corner for a pittance in R/B and FR/LG etc. I don't buy that you aren't supposed to use them. Don't forget the Bagons right after Axew, Trapinchs alongside Gible and the Riolus before the first gym. edit: I'd actually say late game mons are more of a liability early game. They level up slowly, their pre-evolutions have underwhelming stats and a lot of them don't learn good attacks at all until later. The early accessibility of dragons in X/Y really give the player scalable difficulty as they'll have a harder time training up a Bagon than a Scatterbug. VV Also keep in mind almost all builds of every high tier pokemon has at least one move it would only learn through a tutor or egg move. horriblePencilist fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Feb 20, 2014 |
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Everytime this argument comes up it never addresses the fact that the early game is balanced around every pokemon having poo poo stats and poo poo moves because they are all low levels. Even a fully evolved pokemon isn't going to accomplish much if all it has access to is tackle and sand attack. Your movepool matters more than your stats at low levels, so even if Beedrill and all the other crappy early bug pokemon had decent stats they still wouldn't be able to demolish* the early game without good moves to back them up. *any more than other pokemon do at least. I mean all the starters are good stat wise so its not like they don't want you getting your hands on good pokemon early; they flat out give you one.
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horriblePencilist posted:Don't forget the Bagons right after Axew and the Riolus before the first gym. Yeah, X/Y give you access to almost every dragon before the fourth gym Dratini Druddrigon Alteria Noibat Deino Are the only non-legendaries you can't get at that point and they're all around Victory road. If anything X/Y seems to frontload the powerful ones and hold back the weaker poo poo. Which is kind of hilarious. And these aren't the mons weak at low levels either; Gible evolves at 24 and 48 and Gabite has roughly equivalent stats to Beedrill. And it gets really good moves via level up and can be taught a lot of early TMs. Ditto Axew who learns Dragon Dance, Dragon Claw and can learn Dig while having comparable stats to Gabite in his base form. For comparison, Axew gets Dual Chop three levels before Beedrill gets Twineedle. One of those is pretty clearly superior. The first time Beedrill gets a comparative value STAB move? Level 38. And its Poison Jab. Butterfree doesn't get a good Bug move until level 42. Vivillon doesn't until level 35. Better early moves or stats is pretty bullshit. EDIT: Its not even like all Bugs uniformly suck. You can get Venipede early and he wipes the loving floor with Beedrill/Butterfree and the like because he has good stats and the ability to learn things like Megahorn, Earthquake, Rock Slide etc. Zore fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Feb 20, 2014 |
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A They don't change type or ability, and their stat spreads are (Latias) 80\100\120\140\150\110 / (Latios) 80\130\100\160\120\110. A far cry from the fake leak, huh? e: they're blocked from being traded, so he can't make good on his offer. Crosscontaminant fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Feb 20, 2014 |
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They've only blocked the Megastones. Someone's already managed to decrypt the Box data so that you can view the Egg shiny values and IVs again. http://projectpokemon.org/forums/showthread.php?37221-%28X-Y%29-KeySAV-Box-Data-Viewer It's only going to be a matter of days before someone figures out editing.
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