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I really wish there were Allpar equivalent sites for every make and model because I'm sure the engineers at Ford and GM and Nissan and whatever all have great stories. One of my favourite Allpar articles is about how the Neon engine was originally supposed to be two-stroke with direct injection and no head gasket (monoblock). http://www.allpar.com/neon/stroke.html
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Infiniti teased the Q50 Eau Rouge's engine sound: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajI6EzIoAlQ Sounds like the VR38, to me. NINJA EDIT: also sounds like it may come with a manual option 
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Feb 22, 2014 20:03
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PeterWeller posted:I know people will cross shop them because the midsize trucks aren't a very good value proposition compared to the fullsize ones, but like I said, people still buy Frontiers and Tacomas, even though their fuel economy isn't much better and they don't cost much less than Titans and Tundras. And if a Colorado/Canyon customer decides to step up to a fullsize because the midsize doesn't offer much more value for the money, I don't think they will cross shop with other brands. They will more likely just go with a Sierra/Silverado. Brand loyalty is still a big thing in the truck market. Maybe my car was the exception, but I was looking for a midsize truck in 2010, and wanted a few things- Biggest Engine, 4x4, Manual gearbox. The Ranger would have been close to 30K, pricing itself out from what I saw. The Toyota forced into a double cab for those options, and was at 28-33 depending on options, but the Frontier was priced at 22 out the door. I left GM out, because they didn't make a Colorado with the 5.3 and a manual, and from what I recall it was extremely difficult to find a 4x4 that wasn't automatic even with smaller engines. The titans were all priced at least 5K higher, not including the 4x4 option.
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Feb 23, 2014 03:19
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Hmm did some more research on the new GC, apparently you only get the headlight gap thing with the Overland and higher trim levels.   I still think it's a really attractive SUV 
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Feb 23, 2014 17:35
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I wonder what the Grand Wagoneer will look like. Probably like a bigger GC with a different rear end.
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Feb 23, 2014 19:21
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In the most  scenario, a Durango with a 7 slot grill and GC tail lights, which doesn't sound that bad. It might end up much heavier if they beef up its frame for offroad duty, though.
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Tekne posted:In the most I remember reading somewhere that the Durango was going to be killed and replaced by the Grand Wagoneer. Most Jeep dealers are also Dodge dealers, so they shouldn't miss out on sales, and since Ram spun off of the Dodge brand, the Durango is kind of a stepchild now anyway. Can't remember where I read it though. The Durango is based on a stretched Grand Cherokee chassis anyway, so it seems to make sense that they'd put them both under the Jeep brand. And for what it's worth, I also have a 2012 (pre-facelift) WK2 Grand Cherokee and do like the facelifted models, except for those headlights and the way the new grille and bumper area combine to form a big dopey grin. Otherwise, they're very nice cars. I'm not an SUV guy, but I like ours a lot. My wife wanted an SUV, so I decided that if we had to get one, it might as well be a real one, not a crossover. 
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Feb 24, 2014 00:01
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awesome-express posted:Hmm did some more research on the new GC, apparently you only get the headlight gap thing with the Overland and higher trim levels. It's because that plastic trim piece hides a little robot arm thing that shoots wiper fluid at the headlights. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2YD_CqIIbc It's not exactly a new feature or anything but do get a kick out of how long and skinny that arm is when it shoots out.
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Feb 24, 2014 00:12
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Seat Safety Switch posted:I really wish there were Allpar equivalent sites for every make and model because I'm sure the engineers at Ford and GM and Nissan and whatever all have great stories. Lots of history on design and development and a lot of prototype pictures.
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Feb 24, 2014 00:15
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Thank you! That's exactly what I wanted, and will probably consume a lot of my time approximately forever.
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Feb 24, 2014 00:33
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Oh poo poo, I've gone and run out of Internet... gonna have to do some mid-week Internet poo poo on the weekend, gently caress. What's Motor Tre  Holy gently caress does Ford know how to make a car look good.
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Friar Zucchini posted:Oh poo poo, I've gone and run out of Internet... gonna have to do some mid-week Internet poo poo on the weekend, gently caress. What's Motor Tre Wonder if they are going to update engines along with the panels, if its 2015 or 2016, and when they will hit dealers. I'm semi-sorta looking at replacing my 01 V6 mustang with either a focus ST or an escape Ti and drat that is going to make it harder to grab a 2014 if the ST is getting upgraded.
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ilkhan posted:Yep. The article says the base engine will be the same 2.0 but they'll offer the same 1.0T 6MT as in the Fiesta.
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There are a few Focus RS rumors starting to float about too. 350ish hp, AWD, and the US might get it! I don't believe any of those rumors, but they're out there.
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I was kind of hoping they'd put a "proper" slushbox in the refreshed Focus. The dry clutch automanual is pretty terrible. But my car's a Job 2 model on the first revision of the clutchpack (apparently there have been several) and probably has a leaking seal or two. All I know is mine shudders all the time, and it gets really bad and audible in hot weather after the car is fully warmed up. It has the shift quality of my old 140,000 mile 90's Taurus. I'm turning it in in September though so I've decided not to engage in the runaround with the dealer for a fix. It could be all ironed out by now, but even '14 owners are complaining about it.
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Those problems would be solved if people would just drive a manual like they're supposed to.
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Friar Zucchini posted:Oh poo poo, I've gone and run out of Internet... gonna have to do some mid-week Internet poo poo on the weekend, gently caress. What's Motor Tre Eh, it's not ugly but really just looks like a Hyundai. Pretty generic. 
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Throatwarbler posted:Eh, it's not ugly but really just looks like a Hyundai. Pretty generic. Yeah, I can kinda see a bit of the accent in there if you squint a little  I kinda like the pre-facelift more than this one, maybe it's just the angle.
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Friar Zucchini posted:The article says the base engine will be the same 2.0 but they'll offer the same 1.0T 6MT as in the Fiesta. ilkhan fucked around with this message at 10:27 on Feb 24, 2014 |
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Feb 24, 2014 10:25
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ilkhan posted:I don't get how the 1.0 eco is an improvement on, well, anything. Even the base 2.0 (not turbo) seems better than the 1.0 eco under USA conditions. Outside, where you get taxed on displacement maybe. They're not sold in the same markets currently. The car revealed is the European market version which doesn't have the 2.0l. The 1.0l they are bringing to the Fiesta as an upgrade to the 1.6l but probably won't be for the Focus. The  King Ranch edition will probably look different too.
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ilkhan posted:I don't get how the 1.0 eco is an improvement on, well, anything. Even the base 2.0 (not turbo) seems better than the 1.0 eco under USA conditions. Outside, where you get taxed on displacement maybe. Which would be? I'm curious, not snarky or condescending.
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Throatwarbler posted:They're not sold in the same markets currently. The car revealed is the European market version which doesn't have the 2.0l. The 1.0l they are bringing to the Fiesta as an upgrade to the 1.6l but probably won't be for the Focus. I'd almost like to see someone shoehorn the 6.7 Powerstroke into a Focus. Nidhg00670000 posted:Which would be? Non-urban driving. US isn't as dense as our European contemporaries, so outside of the cities the 1.0 might be a bad thing, at least from the buyer's perspective. Basically a 2.0 would be better suited to handle taller gearing for the interstate.
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Does everybody in the US live in one city and work in another? Or does everybody live as far away from work as possible? How do you guys get such long commutes, or do is it just everybody takes long trips regularly? Canada has a much lower population density and I'd say 90% of most people's driving is city, top speed would be 70-80 kph for the major routes that take you from one end of the city to the other and 50-60 kph otherwise. The exception being the various small rural towns where I can see commutes being mostly highway for anything outside of the small town. Are US cities really that poorly planned that the majority of people have ridiculously long commutes? Any idea what the smallest engine available is in the US for various classes of cars? It would be kinda interesting to see the comparison to the euro offerings.
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YF19pilot posted:Non-urban driving. US isn't as dense as our European contemporaries, so outside of the cities the 1.0 might be a bad thing, at least from the buyer's perspective. Basically a 2.0 would be better suited to handle taller gearing for the interstate. Well, true in most cases. States like Florida and California would rate in the upper half of the EU counting population density. Granted that the 1.0 ecoboost gets nowhere near the rated numbers on fuel milage, I'd wager it's still cheaper to run than the 2.0, and most importantly it's probably cheaper for Ford to scale down on the different number of engines they offer.
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It's not necessarily the length of the commute, and it's not a binary toggle between urban driving and interstate highway. It's that you have lots of suburban roads with normal speeds of 80 to 100 km/h with stoplights every half mile or so. Road speeds in general are higher than in Euroland and people don't want their engines screaming every time they pull away from a light or merge.
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Nidhg00670000 posted:Which would be?
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U.S. cities are somewhat opposite of European ones in that dense housing near the CBD can be less desirable than the suburbs surrounding the city, so people live in low density areas and commute to cities. This isn't true in a few cases, NYC has absurd property values in some neighborhoods, Boston too. It's also a function of everyone driving 300hp 6,000lb 4WD cruise missiles at a minimum of 80mph, although the turbo triple should be able to keep up with that, sacrificing economy of course. A lot of U.S. infrastructure (if you can call it that) was designed around personal cars and cheap fuel, and anyone with the power to actually change that has no interest in anything reaching beyond the next election cycle, not to mention starting expensive infrastructure projects are not great for poll numbers, unless your business buddies are getting a healthy contract with a vague budget limit. Probably doesn't help that the U.S. has a mass transit system in the same way Mitsubishi has an automotive division. e: For example, where I live if I wanted to go out for lunch and stop at the bank, I'd be driving for roughly 20 minutes round trip, and half of that would be on a three lane highway at 70. In the slow lane, being passed. The rest would be sitting at lights or fighting traffic pulling out of a parking lot. And people wonder why I don't go anywhere on my days off 
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Feb 24, 2014 17:34
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ilkhan posted:Cheap-ish gas and no displacement taxes. Well, the only country in the EU that still has a displacement tax is Belgium (on cars sold new, cars sold before a certain date is taxed according to the rules when they where sold, which means a whole lot more countries).
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Bajaha posted:Does everybody in the US live in one city and work in another? Or does everybody live as far away from work as possible? Both. Can't live in the city because I need space and there are also dangerous minorities there. I actually reverse commute, so I'm not really any better.
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~80 mile commute (each way), 5 days/week In this: 
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Feb 24, 2014 18:31
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I only have a 16 mile commute, but it's from a non-city area to a non-city area and 90% of it is highway. There are only a little bit at either end that's not 70mph freeway with no traffic.
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Also commuting isn't the only reason to ever drive and if you want to even go to another biggish city in the US that's not flying distance it's going to be hours of freeway driving. And even if you fly, you'll probably have to rent a car once you get there.
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Yeah, quite a few of my friends live up to 25-30 miles away. So, if we are to do anything together, it involves a bit of driving.
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Before I moved to my new place last month, my commute was roughly 36 miles each way, mostly on the interstate (which depending on traffic could be either ~40 minutes at ~60-70mph or 80 minutes of stop and go at 15-30mph)
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Nidhg00670000 posted:Well, the only country in the EU that still has a displacement tax is Belgium (on cars sold new, cars sold before a certain date is taxed according to the rules when they where sold, which means a whole lot more countries). France and Spain both still have weird horse-steam taxes that favor low-displacement engines, as well as parts of Switzerland.
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Snowdens Secret posted:people don't want their engines screaming every time they pull away from a light or merge. speak for yourself 
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You drive a 940, thumbs. That engine wouldn't scream even if you cut its nuts off and salted the wounds.
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All this talk about urban planning and commuting distance and all that is really just a red herring. The stats show (at least in the UK) simular average annual mileages to North America. The difference is people do those mileages in small displacement diesels and petrol engines cars. Why? Cost of fuel and tax. My friend commutes from Swindon to Heathrow in a one liter Citroën C1. That's about 70-80 miles down the m4 at anywhere between 70 and 90mph in good traffic. There's nothing preventing a small car doing long distance and higher speeds except the driver being intimidated by all the huge trucks around them (this is a real thing for a lot of people).
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I wouldn't worry about large SUVs and pickups in a small car if I had the slightest faith in the people driving them. If I drove a small hatchback I'd have that fucker lit up like a Paddy Hopkirk themed Christmas parade float. Do European countries have a more courteous driving style? Here if you want to change lanes it's as likely as not the guy behind you will speed up and block you to assert his dominance or whatever. e: vvv In the US you're expected to risk your life getting into work without a second thought (for most jobs anyway), extra displacement isn't going to matter there and small cars are perfectly safe. You're still dealing with people on half-bald all seasons with suspension in various states of disintegration who also have to get to work RIGHT NOW. redgubbinz fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Feb 24, 2014 |
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The UK also shuts down at the slightest hint of snow. Try driving that same 70 mile commute with -10F degree weather with snowfall/ice and heavy winds in a one liter Citroën C1 for 5 months in a row.
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