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"What are your thoughts on Michael Sam, prominent NFL GM?" "The gay kid? Hell no. Not worth it." "What about the ND player who just admitted to sexually assaulting a girl?" "Well you know boys will be boys, he was put in a tough situation and tried to handle it the best way he knew how. It's not like his sexual activities hurt his ability to play football on the field."
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Chichevache posted:He said Sembo took a step in the right direction. What step was that? Admitting he was accused while still claiming he didn't do anything wrong? He had to do that, the teams already knew it was him because his team mates probably already told them during the interviews. Please point out one thing he has done that is a step in the right direction. Admitting he was accused? Any step towards the right direction is still a step. Either way my post was more about how it probably didn't kill his draft stock. We gotta stop letting moral issues leak through this forum. At the end of the day it's about football, not talking about how morally just we all are. I know red flag discussion is great and all but I see no point in discussing it further than "does this affect his draft stock". Anyone with a working brain can tell you raping someone is wrong, we don't need to fill up pages with that.
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Feb 24, 2014 18:32
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The Notorious ZSB posted:Doltos' commentary on all these dudes with sketchy actions in their past is always just reminding y'all that sadly NFL GMs aren't as morally offended as we are if that guy can help them win football games. This is no surprise and everyone should stop getting offended like it's actually his opinion that it shouldn't. Nobody is offended because Doltos said he would be drafted. People are offended because Doltos said he came clean (He didn't) and that really it's the teams fault for covering it up (Maybe partially).
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Feb 24, 2014 18:33
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SlipUp posted:Nobody is offended because Doltos said he would be drafted. I never said he came clean, I said he admitted to it. Maybe it was the wrong choice of words but I specifically didn't say clean because clean implies that he took fault. He said he was the one accused, which is good enough for me since that case had a lot of question marks over who was the one that sexually assaulted her. We also shouldn't get on the habit of assigning who was the overall most at fault for poo poo like this. Everyone's at fault. The teammates that kept it quiet, Shembo for doing it, and the coaches for putting pressure on him to keep quiet. I'm just understanding why it took so long for him to come out and admit it. Pressure is a hell of a thing.
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Feb 24, 2014 18:36
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Doltos posted:Admitting he was accused? Any step towards the right direction is still a step. Either way my post was more about how it probably didn't kill his draft stock. We aren't all robots who would happily cheer for an unapologetic rapist just because he's good at a sport
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Doltos posted:We gotta stop letting moral issues leak through this forum. At the end of the day it's about football, not talking about how morally just we all are. I know red flag discussion is great and all but I see no point in discussing it further than "does this affect his draft stock". Anyone with a working brain can tell you raping someone is wrong, we don't need to fill up pages with that. Yeah rather than highlighting the necessity of change and education in a sport filled with homophobia and an atmosphere which lets violent sexual offenders get paid millions, better to just leave all that TFF SJW Brigade stuff to the side. I mean sure, Darren Sharper raped all those women but
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Intruder posted:We aren't all robots who would happily cheer for an unapologetic rapist just because he's good at a sport Oh Christ shut up. I'm not cheering for a god damned rapist either and it doesn't put me on a moral high ground. I know how passionate you are about not being a dumb football fan but it brings absolutely no discussion to a thread like this besides a circle jerk. ManifunkDestiny posted:Yeah rather than highlighting the necessity of change and education in a sport filled with homophobia and an atmosphere which lets violent sexual offenders get paid millions, better to just leave all that TFF SJW Brigade stuff to the side. I mean sure, Darren Sharper raped all those women but Go on, tackle moral injustices by posting on a forum about football. You sure are changing all those minds of people who by the large agree with you already.
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Spalding posted:Does anyone expect Cousins to be moved at the draft? Not if the Redskins are smart
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Spalding posted:Does anyone expect Cousins to be moved at the draft? Yes. Mallett is also a guy who could get shipped.
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Doltos posted:Oh Christ shut up. I'm not cheering for a god damned rapist either and it doesn't put me on a moral high ground. I know how passionate you are about not being a dumb football fan but it brings absolutely no discussion to a thread like this besides a circle jerk. By saying we should ignore the terrible things a player does and only discuss football you're implicitly saying that those terrible things don't matter as long as the player is good. Doltos posted:Go on, tackle moral injustices by posting on a forum about football. You sure are changing all those minds of people who by the large agree with you already.  So any time you talk about what scouts should look at instead of the crap they do look at we should tell you to shut up because you're not changing their minds
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I don't think GMs ignore rape allegations either, that seems like a made up thing. It might not necessarily be due to morality reasons but they probably don't like getting tons of 'why did you draft a rapist' questions or 'that rapist sure is rising up the depth chart huh'.
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ROSS MY SALAD posted:Not if the Redskins are smart The Redskins aren't smart. That's why they'll get offered a 2nd from the Texans and be like naaaah.
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Goetta posted:I don't think GMs ignore rape allegations either, that seems like a made up thing. It might not necessarily be due to morality reasons, but they probably don't like getting tons of 'why did you draft a rapist' questions or 'that rapist sure is rising up the depth chart huh'. Any GM afraid to draft a rapist is just some SJW weiner
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Volkerball posted:The Redskins aren't smart. That's why they'll get offered a 2nd from the Texans and be like naaaah. Thank you for saving the Texans from themselves, hypothetical Redskins FO
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Goetta posted:I don't think GMs ignore rape allegations either, that seems like a made up thing. It might not necessarily be due to morality reasons, but they probably don't like getting tons of 'why did you draft a rapist' questions or 'that rapist sure is rising up the depth chart huh'. Didn't stop Perrish Cox. Intruder posted:By saying we should ignore the terrible things a player does and only discuss football you're implicitly saying that those terrible things don't matter as long as the player is good. No I'm really not. Not at all. In fact you even implying that is you just trying to push your own agenda. I said that posting about it here doesn't bring anything productive around but a circle jerk of everyone comparing how compassionate they are about hating a rapist. God damned right I loving hate rapists and I hope Shembo gets the poo poo beaten out of him for what he did to that girl. Unfortunately the present day NFL forgives most of this poo poo if you're good at football. You and I can't change that by posting about it here, so loving quit it already.
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Doltos posted:I never said he came clean, I said he admitted to it. Maybe it was the wrong choice of words but I specifically didn't say clean because clean implies that he took fault. He said he was the one accused, which is good enough for me since that case had a lot of question marks over who was the one that sexually assaulted her. Just to get this out of the way, coming clean=admission. Him admitting other people are accusing him is only acknowledging the perception around you. You could say that and still maintain your innocence. (Which he is doing.) Admitting to a crime is taking fault for it, admitting you are accused of a crime is not taking fault so even if you wanted to limit this to a discussion of red flags you'd be wrong. Maybe the reason him and everyone at the program is at fault is because everyone looked at the situation and thought to themselves "Football is the really important issue here" which allowed a culture to be formed that created this situation.
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Goetta posted:I don't think GMs ignore rape allegations either, that seems like a made up thing. It might not necessarily be due to morality reasons but they probably don't like getting tons of 'why did you draft a rapist' questions or 'that rapist sure is rising up the depth chart huh'. Well it depends. For example, Bill Parcells drafted Christian Peter in 1996, after he had known to have raped at least three women and been convicted of various lesser offenses 8 times including grabbing a woman by the throat in a bar a month before the draft. The next day, the firestorm of media reports had Kraft force Parcells to cut Peters which is pretty much considered the event that got Parcells to leave for an owner that wouldn't meddle with his team. Christian Peter went to play for 6 seasons with three other teams and was elected to the Nebraska football hall of fame. Story over, no moral!
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Kalli posted:Well it depends. For example, Bill Parcells drafted Christian Peter in 1996, after he had known to have raped at least three women and been convicted of various lesser offenses 8 times including grabbing a woman by the throat in a bar a month before the draft. The next day, the firestorm of media reports had Kraft force Parcells to cut Peters which is pretty much considered the event that got Parcells to leave for an owner that wouldn't meddle with his team. What the gently caress is with Nebraska football
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Goetta posted:What the gently caress is with Nebraska football That team was hosed up. Jason Peter was addicted to maybe heroin, definitely pain killers when he was drafted by the panthers.
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Goetta posted:What the gently caress is with Nebraska football Student Body Left Sweep, Student Body Right Sweep, Student Body Rug Sweep
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Goetta posted:What the gently caress is with Nebraska football Tom Osbourne was a great man who won a lot of football games and was then elected to congress because he was a great man, also he was great
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Goetta posted:What the gently caress is with Nebraska football Lawrence Phillips wasn't kicked off the team
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Groucho Marxist posted:Lawrence Phillips wasn't kicked off the team Standard Nebraska fan response: "Yeah he was lovely but oh man he was amazing to watch"
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Declan MacManus posted:Standard Nebraska fan response: "Yeah he was lovely but oh man he was amazing to watch" One time a Nebraska fan here defended Tom Osborne's decision to keep LP on the team by citing Tom Osborne's autobiography.
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Detroit_Dogg posted:Peter King says the Lions will take Taylor Lewan at 10. Speaking of which Taylor Lewan is a piece of poo poo like Shembo. Lewan's buddy and roommate at Michigan raped a girl, then Lewan called her and threatened to rape her again himself if she didn't drop the charges.
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Doltos posted:Yes. Mallett is also a guy who could get shipped. Shipping Mallett across state lines seems like something that should be a federal crime
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Gotta Wear Shades posted:He got to 17, right? I know it's not good but is it that terrible for someone who was likely previously going in the middle rounds? Sam also ran an incredibly slow time which doesn't bode well for him. He's a late round prospect who hasn't helped his stock any at the combine. Middle rounds seems like an unlikely spot for him but he will be good 6th or 7th fodder because of intangibles. He lacks the measured attributes people want but his football IQ and tape should help him get a shot as a project somewhere. The fact he always played bigger, faster and stronger than he measures against the competition (and a lot of them would become/are future NFL players) in college is what counts.
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Rasczak posted:Shipping Mallett across state lines seems like something that should be a federal crime I was actually thinking of a shipping Mallett through UPS joke when I posted that.
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Doltos posted:I was actually thinking of a shipping Mallett through UPS joke when I posted that. Belichick rues the day Lombardi was fired because the odds of him getting that second first rounder from the Browns for Mallett went from "not bad!" to "no loving chance in hell" Who else besides the Lombardi Browns are/were interested in Mallett?
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It's too bad Lewan didn't come out last year, he would have been a perfect fit in Miami
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We had a void in our "overrated offensive tackle from michigan who is a piece of poo poo" last year so it woulda fit
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Jumping in kinda late here but I have to ask: what is the evidence against this kid that has you all so convinced he raped her? This is my first time hearing of this at all. E: I'm not being an apologist. I'd just really like to know a quick set of facts that determines he's def guilty.
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John Brown posted:Jumping in kinda late here but I have to ask: what is the evidence against this kid that has you all so convinced he raped her? Declan's link does a great job breaking it down. The big problem is that we will never now because the school covered it all up and harassed the victim until she took her own life. Even if the girl was a liar (which is a ridiculous assumption) Notre Dame did every single thing wrong they could, and they did it in a malicious manner. Declan MacManus posted:There have been a ton of articles about it; here is a good one if you insist on reliving the gory details http://ncronline.org/news/accountability/reported-sexual-assault-notre-dame-campus-leaves-more-questions-answers
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John Brown posted:Jumping in kinda late here but I have to ask: what is the evidence against this kid that has you all so convinced he raped her? He kind of made it sound like he tried to brake off a thing he had going with an older girl when he was a freshman and she then made this accusation. The school body then turned on her and she killed herself. It's a weird and sad situation because regardless whether he did it or not, the girl still did kill herself which is terrible.
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I think he was talking about Lewan? Or maybe not e: Oh right, Lewan didn't actually rape, he threatened (allegedly)
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I swear to God if I see one more post about rape in this thread I'm going to start posting about WR depth.
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Doltos posted:I swear to God if I see one more post about rape in this thread I'm going to start posting about WR depth. do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it. Do it.
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Doltos posted:I swear to God if I see one more post about rape in this thread I'm going to start posting. Do it
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