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I hope the dialogue from Empy is red letter text like when Jesus talks in New Testament.
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For instance, in Malleus Eisenhorn goes around with a personal Astropath who's sending detailed space telegrams, but in Desert Warriors they only get a transmission of danger and a call for help from the target planet without any details. It seems to vary, as with much else in 40K, based on the author and needs of the story.
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Feb 24, 2014 19:29
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I just watched the classic sci-fi movie Forbidden Planet, where a bunch of human explorers investigate a planet which was once populated by an advanced alien race called the Krell. They built a machine that could enhance their mental powers and which could materialize anything they imagined, and used it to build their incredible civilization. However, the machines also spawned monsters from their subconscious, and these monsters wiped out the Krell. Doesn't this have a lot of parallels to Warhammer 40,000? The mortals of the galaxy are basically being molested by monsters of their own collective id. Baron Bifford fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Feb 24, 2014 |
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Feb 24, 2014 19:31
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jng2058 posted:For instance, in Malleus Eisenhorn goes around with a personal Astropath who's sending detailed space telegrams, but in Desert Warriors they only get a transmission of danger and a call for help from the target planet without any details. It seems to vary, as with much else in 40K, based on the author and needs of the story. I've always preferred the whole Astropath transmission is reasonably reliable take myself. Imperial governance seems messed up enough as it is without having to say every interstellar message requires the receiving Picard to figure out "Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra".
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Feb 24, 2014 20:36
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So, after reading The Emperor's Gift I realized how Gaunt's Ghost will end. Yup, you can all guess exactly.
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Feb 24, 2014 20:40
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Baron Bifford posted:Doesn't this have a lot of parallels to Warhammer 40,000? The mortals of the galaxy are basically being molested by monsters of their own collective id.
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Feb 24, 2014 20:44
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bunnyofdoom posted:So, after reading The Emperor's Gift I realized how Gaunt's Ghost will end. Yup, you can all guess exactly. Something like 1st and Only transport goes "missing" in transit?
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Feb 24, 2014 21:00
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Wasn't one of the big things with Angron being teleported up that the Emperor wanted Nuceria to join the Imperium because it was technologically advanced? He also wanted Angron alive. So he can't go fight with Angron, he can't let Angron die by leaving him to fight down below, and he can't risk Angron actually winning and destroying Nuceria.
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Feb 24, 2014 21:26
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handbanana125 posted:Something like 1st and Only transport goes "missing" in transit? Something like that, yeah.
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Feb 24, 2014 21:29
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Jerkface posted:Wasn't one of the big things with Angron being teleported up that the Emperor wanted Nuceria to join the Imperium because it was technologically advanced? That's speculation, but Nuceria did comply peacefully and was then left alone - it's possible they had technology of value the Emperor couldn't risk being destroyed if he just granted Angron and his band of crazed murderous gladiators control over an Astartes legion.
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Feb 24, 2014 22:28
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Aziraphale posted:I hope the dialogue from Empy is red letter text like when Jesus talks in New Testament. 
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Feb 24, 2014 23:50
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Aziraphale posted:I hope the dialogue from Empy is red letter text like when Jesus talks in New Testament. I've always imagined the Big E talking in caps, like the Death in the Discworld novels, Angry Lobster fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Feb 25, 2014 |
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Feb 24, 2014 23:59
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berzerkmonkey posted:I'm pretty sure the Emperor didn't remove the nails specifically because it would kill Angron if he did. I'm almost positive that there was a line about the Mechanicus being completely unsure as to how to remove the nails without killing Angron in the process. There was something about the nails being a super advanced tech that nobody could figure out anymore. There is also an instance in Betrayer in which psykers counteract the Nails by juggling Angron's brain chemistry, though it is a temporary measure. One could imagine a much, much more powerful psyker (like the big E) doing it and making it last years, or having the mechanicum fashion a counter-implant.
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Feb 25, 2014 00:20
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Also relevant is that in Sabbat Martyr the Saint patches up Gol Kolea and gets him back to his old self despite him being missing most of his brain. so... uh... yeah.
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Feb 25, 2014 00:25
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Arquinsiel posted:I wasn't aware that this was a thing Look at this heathen  Get saved son, read a bible or two.
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Feb 25, 2014 06:13
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My money is on that everything is more or less going according to the big E's plan.
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Feb 25, 2014 07:00
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Arquinsiel posted:I wasn't aware that this was a thing It is a famous and common variation of the King James, the idea being to focus on what Jesus said over what anyone else said http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_letter_edition
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Feb 25, 2014 07:12
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UberJumper posted:My money is on that everything is more or less going according to the big E's plan. no chance of that, according to The Sigillite the Big E wanted to phase out the need for government.
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Feb 25, 2014 07:16
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The Big E got played by the chaos powers and humanity have been paying the price ever since.
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Feb 25, 2014 10:59
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I just read the short story The Long Games at Carcharias last night. Astropathic signals are positively chatty in this one. The astropath’s knuckles whitened around his staff as he recalled the message: ‘… encountered a convoy of heavy cruisers out of Fi’Rios – a lesser sept, the Xenobiologis assure me, attempting to contact Commander Farsight. We took a trailing vessel with little difficulty but at the loss of one Carcharian son: Crimson Consul Battle-Brother Theodoric of the First Squad: Fifth Company. I commend Brother Theodoric’s service to you and recommend his name be added to the Shrine of Hera in the Company Chapel as a posthumous recipient of the Iron Laurel…’
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Feb 25, 2014 12:40
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Aziraphale posted:Look at this heathen 
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Feb 25, 2014 16:41
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Message details are pretty much reliant on the skills of the astropath and the distance involved, I figured this was kind of a given, and the whole brain translating the message issue was simply there to explain why you have to have trained astropaths to receive intergalactic e-mail as opposed to any rear end in a top hat with psychic talent.
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Feb 25, 2014 16:47
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There's also the difference between personal astropaths and choirs of them hooked up to cogitators, constantly receiving and relaying a stream of data.
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Feb 25, 2014 18:04
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Doesn't the Outcast Dead specifically feature a whole part of the Astro Telepathica dedicated to gleaning messages contained in the mental 'subtext' of telepathic communications and whole choirs being mentally worn out and dying trying to interpret the sensory messages being transmitted? It seeme to be made clear that messages aren't transmitted linguistically in that one but through vague, dream-like, ideas. The Emperor's tarot and other symbolic systems were adapted, according to that, as a form of shorthand metaphor that still require interpretation. Of course as has been said in other novels telepaths just get the equivalent of a telegram or have 2-way walkie-talkie communication. I think it may be hand waved partly (completely) based on distance and communication through the warp.
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Feb 25, 2014 18:51
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Fried Chicken posted:no chance of that, according to The Sigillite the Big E wanted to phase out the need for government. Where is that from?
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Feb 25, 2014 19:03
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MrNemo posted:Doesn't the Outcast Dead specifically feature a whole part of the Astro Telepathica dedicated to gleaning messages contained in the mental 'subtext' of telepathic communications and whole choirs being mentally worn out and dying trying to interpret the sensory messages being transmitted? It seeme to be made clear that messages aren't transmitted linguistically in that one but through vague, dream-like, ideas. The Emperor's tarot and other symbolic systems were adapted, according to that, as a form of shorthand metaphor that still require interpretation.
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Feb 25, 2014 19:06
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Well there's also supposed to be an encoding system that can when necessary turn literal messages into the kind of dream-like impressions and imagery that cam be transmitted and then translate them back into more concrete terms. I'm under the impression that the Emperor's tarot is literally fortune telling but since psychic powers actually exist it can sometimes actually give useful input (sometimes).
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Feb 25, 2014 19:35
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The Emperor's tarot is indeed literal fortune telling. Its method doesn't appear too dissimilar from the Eldar's "casting of the runes" to divine the future, though much less potent.
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Feb 25, 2014 19:41
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You're all pretty much correct in that the Tarot itself is fortune telling separate from astropathic communication. I'd meant the use of its symbology in those communications, which I'm pretty sure there was some of in the Outcast Dead though I may be misremembering. I think I phrased it badly in the original post.
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Feb 25, 2014 20:29
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Fried Chicken posted:no chance of that, according to The Sigillite the Big E wanted to phase out the need for government. I dont think so. The first 3 books made a big stink about legions being saddled with remembrancers and planetary governors, and forming the high council of terra (or some proto-iteration of). I specifically recall a scene where Horus is bitching about tax collectors from terra and some administrative people trying to get meetings with him.
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Feb 25, 2014 20:39
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UberJumper posted:Where is that from? ... It a from The Sigillite. Malcador is speaking with an army guy about his debates with the Emperor and their philosophical differences and as an example Malcador thinks humanity will always need the Emperor to guide them with a firm hand while the Emperor thinks his job is to make it so humanity does need him or his Imperium any more.
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Waroduce posted:I dont think so. The first 3 books made a big stink about legions being saddled with remembrancers and planetary governors, and forming the high council of terra (or some proto-iteration of). I specifically recall a scene where Horus is bitching about tax collectors from terra and some administrative people trying to get meetings with him. Which says a lot about Horus and how he perceived things, but not much about the Emperor and his overall plan.
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Fried Chicken posted:Which says a lot about Horus and how he perceived things, but not much about the Emperor and his overall plan. Horus himself didn't believe the Emperor wanted it when he confronted said tax collector.
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Feb 26, 2014 03:00
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Yeah the Remembrancers were big E but if I remember right the Council of Terra were the driving force behind tax collectors and the administrators. Even if the big E is focused on his vision those guys are responsible for actually organising everything and they saw a lot of planets appearing and a lot of costs being racked up.
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What do you guys think of the Legion of the Damned ebooks? I've got a little cash stashed away, and I'm thinking of looking at these guys. EDIT: And how is Andy Hoare's Commissar? CommissarMega fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Feb 26, 2014 |
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Feb 26, 2014 07:02
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CommissarMega posted:What do you guys think of the Legion of the Damned ebooks? I've got a little cash stashed away, and I'm thinking of looking at these guys. The only decent one is Legion of the Damned by Rob Sanders, which has a good beginning and flavorful prose, but I feel falls off badly on the later half, becoming quite boring bolter porn which steals the oomph away from the buildup throughout. I still would recommend it, but it's nothing spectacular. The rest are short stories by Nick Kyme and assorted no-name fucks. Stay clear.
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Feb 26, 2014 07:11
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Nephilm posted:The only decent one is Legion of the Damned by Rob Sanders, which has a good beginning and flavorful prose, but I feel falls off badly on the later half, becoming quite boring bolter porn which steals the oomph away from the buildup throughout. I still would recommend it, but it's nothing spectacular. The climax to Rob Sander's book is pretty great though.
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Feb 26, 2014 09:42
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Legion of the Damned is great and I don't understand how anyone could think that the book "trails off at the end".
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I've just finished the novella Sigmar's Blood, and it's... ok. Kelly just tried to do too much with too little room. Hell of an ending, though, as Sylvania becomes encased in a wall of bones and Volkmar is about to be killed by Mannfred.
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I'm just reading through Unremembered Empire and I'm starting to get really tired of the whole series. I've read all the official books in the HH (no audios though) and so far, the Primarchs are behaving like loving teenagers all the time. The series is becoming quite tedious as well and I'm getting definite flashbacks to Dragonlance. For instance, Betrayer, which is a good book and elaborates on the World Eaters, does it actually advance the story line at all, well except making Angron a Demon Prince? Same thing with Fear to thread and Angels Exterminatus. There have been 5 major events ie the turning of Horus, the 2 different Istvans, Prospero and Calth, besids that very little has actually happened in the series. I want my epic scenes, not reading about Space Marines whining like loving children. Oh, and gently caress the Cabal and the Perpetuals. They only make the series worse than it has to be.
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