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revdrkevind posted:Mega do not touch spoiler of damnation:
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It makes pretty good sense to me that, faced with the prospect of having to personally defend himself against people who presumably have some training in shooting and cutting people up, Yang dies more or less helplessly. To be honest it's more nonsensical that just about every other named character is an incredible badass in personal combat even if they're fighter pilots or admirals.
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Feb 12, 2014 18:16
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It's always nice to have more Legend of the Galactic Heroes, to say the least, but I'd wish they provided more details: staff, length, content, differences and so on. I suppose it's early enough to get away with just a vague announcement and stating this will be a "new adaptation of the source material" but nevertheless...still looking forward to whenever we actually find out more about it.
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Feb 12, 2014 19:02
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I hope it comes out a lot better than the Gaiden episodes, lots of the newer animation there managed to look worse than the old stuff. To speak nothing of Tytania 
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Feb 12, 2014 19:19
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Yang's death in my opinion is one of the high points of the series. The way he dies making self-deprecating jokes and thinking about how he failed was really sad.  It really drives home the humanity of his character: he was just some guy in the end, not an infallible hero.
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Feb 12, 2014 20:38
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The series is about depth and realism more than anything else. People just don't usually get dramatic blaze of glory deaths. The only ones I can think of off the top of my head are Kircheis taking the blast and Bucock's dramatic last stand at Mar-Adetta. Reinhard dies of illness, Schenkopp gets stabbed by an overlooked mook, Oberstein is blown up by Terraists, Merkatz and Reuental get hit by bridge shrapnel (although the latter gets to ham it up for an extra episode and shoot Trunicht). A bunch of other second-tier folks just get plain shot as well. Yang's death perfectly fit his character and the series.
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Feb 14, 2014 00:17
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revdrkevind posted:Mega do not touch spoiler of damnation: I think Yang's death is perfect because one of the themes in the show is about how life (and death) is random and unpredictable and it adds to the 'historic' feel of the story. Conquerors and generals like Alexander the Great or Caesar suffered ignoble ends despite all that they had accomplished and most of their achievements were only possible because they were there at the right place and at the right time. Yang wasn't the only genius in the Alliance and he only rose to power because everyone else above him in the chain of command was dead. In the end, Yang was just a man trying to make the best of a bad situation. I actually admired Julian's character because he was obviously as intelligent as Yang but worked hard while recognising that he would never get the acclaim he deserved. I think there's a conversation he has with Frederica post Yang's death about how for all they have done and all they will do, people and history will still judge them harshly. He'll always be seen just as Yang's ward and she as his wife.
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Feb 14, 2014 01:14
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Boy, I sure am looking forwards to those CG space battles.
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Feb 16, 2014 01:44
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I am actually pretty un-stoked for more galactic heroes. I like the heroes we got, dag nabit.
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Feb 18, 2014 02:37
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Was it weird for anyone else how around 40 episodes in there where just some insane gory scenes compared to the only explosion and blood. Like the dudes guts coming out. I am only halfway through and so far I am liking this show quite a bit. The animation is a little frustrating during ship battles but then again its 30 years old.
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Feb 19, 2014 08:48
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An unsubtle reminder that war is not cool pew pew ship pops without consequence. The ground combat has always been pretty brutal as well, those scenes in 50 I think however are the only real point where the series out and out says "this is horrific, look at it. It is bad."
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Feb 19, 2014 17:07
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As unsubtle as it was it could have been far nastier considering it's in space. We didn't get folks being crushed or exploded by sudden decompression or other such jolly happenings for example. It was also a nice reminder that this isn't the clean Chess game Yang and Reinhard can make the wars look. I know none of us were really sitting there thinking "Man, war sure is a harmless and clean undertaking with no real harm done to people" but sometimes it's good to hit people over the head with ideas.
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Feb 19, 2014 17:19
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Popo posted:... or exploded by sudden decompression ... This doesn't actually happen, despite what movies might lead you to believe.
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Feb 20, 2014 00:11
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The_White_Crane posted:This doesn't actually happen, despite what movies might lead you to believe. Yeah, mainly you'd start bleeding as your membranes would succumb to negative pressure, then you'd freeze. It would be pretty anti-climactic.
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Feb 20, 2014 03:48
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hoobajoo posted:Yeah, mainly you'd start bleeding as your membranes would succumb to negative pressure, then you'd freeze. It would be pretty anti-climactic. Even the freezing is relatively slow, because if your floating about in space, you really don't have anywhere for the heat to go, in the sense you lose heat by radiating it, rather than conducting it. Oh you'll freeze eventually, but it might be slow and you'll definately suffocate (and probably have your internal organs all gently caress up from lack of pressure) long beforehand My guess is being spaced would be really loving painful. duck monster fucked around with this message at 09:58 on Feb 20, 2014 |
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Feb 20, 2014 09:55
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Doesn't the saliva on your tongue boil as well? Either way, my point was there are plenty of nastier things that could have happened, even if they aren't visually impressive.
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Feb 20, 2014 12:03
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duck monster posted:Even the freezing is relatively slow, because if your floating about in space, you really don't have anywhere for the heat to go, in the sense you lose heat by radiating it, rather than conducting it. Oh you'll freeze eventually, but it might be slow and you'll definately suffocate (and probably have your internal organs all gently caress up from lack of pressure) long beforehand You'll actually cook before you freeze if you're in the sun, humans are poor radiators.
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Feb 20, 2014 12:13
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Here's what happens to a human body in a vaccum: http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/970603.html You would pass out from lack of oxygen pretty fast. The water on your tongue does indeed boil. In space, you're going to die of oxygen deprivation before you freeze or die from radiation. Your head does not explode. There's plenty of worse ways to die than getting spaced, honestly.
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Feb 20, 2014 17:52
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Stephen Franklin posted:You know, what the folks back home don't understand—the ones who've never left Earth—is just how dangerous space can be. Personally, I learn all my science from Babylon 5.
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Feb 20, 2014 20:55
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Two caveats: if you're intending on a temporary stay in vacuum you need to exhale as much air as you can and you need to squint your eyes shut (like Dave did in 2001). Otherwise your lungs might rupture and your corneas might dessicate beyond repair.
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Feb 22, 2014 03:10
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I really wonder what kind of music they'll use for the new adaption. Classical music just suits Legend of Galactic Heroes, I really can't imagine it with anything else. Well, hopefully the opening songs will be better.
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Feb 22, 2014 16:41
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You know it's going to be generic jpop  Possibly bombastic generic jpop
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Feb 22, 2014 16:46
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I'm watching this show for the second time and enjoying it even more than the first time. It's amazing. Right now just finished ep 104. Laughed so hard with Hilda's walk of shame after getting laid with Reinhard. So awkward and yet cute. Also, I paid more attention to Oberstein as a character, and it's really impressive. He's basically the perfect left-hand man, cunning, dependable, smart, cold-blooded and extremely loyal in his own twisted way. Really liked when he put Bittenfeld, Muller and Wahlen in their place, he's probably the only one with balls enough to criticize Reinhard openly and smart enough to get away with it.
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Feb 25, 2014 01:12
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Bittenfeld is basically TNG Worf, he exists to bare his teeth and then get poo poo on
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Feb 25, 2014 02:55
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At first I didn't like Bittenfeld, but as the show went on he kinda grew on me. His tactics are aggressive, but not to the point of stupidity.
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Feb 26, 2014 02:08
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My impression is that Bittenfeld was actually generally a pretty good admiral (he did well against the last remnants of the allied fleet, for instance). It's just that Yang really knew how to take him to pieces.
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Feb 26, 2014 02:38
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My favorite Bittenfeld moment is how stoked he is to be at that opera with Reinhard.
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Feb 26, 2014 02:44
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Just finished this series, been watching it basically for over a month and really enjoyed it. I was a big fan of how they set up Julian to succeed Yang all throughout the show. Even though Julian was Yang's foster kid and adopted a lot of his mannerisms and style of thinking, I found there were a lot of parallels with Reinhard. Both were people fast tracked to the top as a result of the people they were related to, both became leaders at very young ages, and both lost the closest person they had in the world. Great show, sad it's over and I hope I can get my friends watching it.
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Mar 4, 2014 08:28
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Irony Be My Shield posted:My impression is that Bittenfeld was actually generally a pretty good admiral (he did well against the last remnants of the allied fleet, for instance). It's just that Yang really knew how to take him to pieces. Nate RFB posted:My favorite Bittenfeld moment is how stoked he is to be at that opera with Reinhard. Bittenfeld struck me as an example of the best of the aristocratic sensibilities that the empire left behind (even if he was Reinhard's man through and through). He is an incredibly courageous military leader who inspires loyalty in his men, even if he has a bit of a disdain for tactics - It's appropriate that his military unit is clearly supposed to invoke a cavalry charge. Also, his devotion to Reinhard comes off as genuine rather than being a mere sycophant (or maybe he just really likes Opera).
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Mar 12, 2014 15:20
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TheKingofSprings posted:Just finished this series, been watching it basically for over a month and really enjoyed it. That's extremely apt.
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Mar 12, 2014 18:52
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I just got up to about episode 20 and while it's an amazing show so far I have a few questions. Why is Prince Braunschweig rebelling against the little kid Kaiser? I thought that little kid was part of the Goldenbaum dynasty? Maybe I just haven't been paying enough attention.
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Mar 14, 2014 20:47
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I thought he did it because if he defeated Reinhard he could then install his daughter (also a potential successor to the Goldenbaum line) and control things from behind the scenes much like Reinhard himself did with Josef
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Mar 14, 2014 20:53
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CrackedWindow posted:I just got up to about episode 20 and while it's an amazing show so far I have a few questions. Why is Prince Braunschweig rebelling against the little kid Kaiser? I thought that little kid was part of the Goldenbaum dynasty? Maybe I just haven't been paying enough attention. Okay, when the old Kaiser died one of the three potential successors (all Grandchildren of the Kaiser) was Braunies daughter. She did not get picked so Braun and the relative of another potential successor set up a group to "liberate" the child Kaiser from a corrupt government. Basically they wanted to get one of their kids on the throne instead and rule by proxy or have the new Kaiser be their puppet rather than Rheinhard's. This wiki has a really indepth explanation but obviously has spoilers out the wazoo. The section on formation is safe though. http://gineipaedia.com/wiki/Lippstadt_League Don't worry about missing things like this, they expect you to pick up a lot very quickly and it can get away from you easily.
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Mar 14, 2014 21:08
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How many people are there in the universe in LoGH? In one episode Poplan mentions that there are 40 billion humans, which seems pretty small for a galactic civilization. But I guess it's possible if outside of the capital planets everything is the frontier. But then you have things like the first episode where halfway through a battle, one side's casualties are like three million. That's, like, a significant portion of the entire human race. Has the war just ground down the population that low, or did somebody lowball the population of the galaxy at some point? Just to be safe, I'm around episode 70. I don't think this sort of thing could be a spoiler though.
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Mar 14, 2014 21:59
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Rochallor posted:How many people are there in the universe in LoGH? In one episode Poplan mentions that there are 40 billion humans, which seems pretty small for a galactic civilization. But I guess it's possible if outside of the capital planets everything is the frontier. I think it's supposed to be something like 40 billion for the Empire and 12 billion for the Alliance. They make it sound like individual settlements are pretty sparsely populated, and in the case of the empire, not very well-managed. Reinhard's superior management of the Empire is how they suddenly wind up with a 100,000 spaceboat fleet, I guess
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Mar 14, 2014 22:47
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Rochallor posted:How many people are there in the universe in LoGH? In one episode Poplan mentions that there are 40 billion humans, which seems pretty small for a galactic civilization. But I guess it's possible if outside of the capital planets everything is the frontier. Both factions are pretty exhausted by the war. In like ep 20-ish where they show that border planet it's mostly farmers and poo poo rather than massive spaceship industry. I actually really like the fact that the series accounts for the insane casualties that everybody takes. There's more than a few occasions when the Alliance bigwigs are airing their concerns about running out of people to draft. 3 million out of 40 billion isn't so much though. That's like 0.01% of the entire population. The war has been going on so long though, that it's probably accumulated into something greater.
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Mar 14, 2014 22:48
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Didn't the history episode say there were like, 100 billion (or more) humans at some point, before the Empire really kicked into high gear?
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Mar 14, 2014 22:51
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Rochallor posted:How many people are there in the universe in LoGH? In one episode Poplan mentions that there are 40 billion humans, which seems pretty small for a galactic civilization. But I guess it's possible if outside of the capital planets everything is the frontier. Your WWII analogy for that would be Barbarossa where the death toll was up to 5 million depending on your estimates. That's an even bigger portion of the human race, which at the time was only 2.3 billion. Some sources also put the deaths in the USSR's Dnieper counter-offensives in the seven-figure range. The moral of the story is the Eastern Front really sucked. Elotana fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Mar 14, 2014 |
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Mar 14, 2014 22:59
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The population used to be higher, until Goldenbaum and friends butchered untold billions over the years. Then the war started  Under 15 posted:I think it's supposed to be something like 40 billion for the Empire and 12 billion for the Alliance. They make it sound like individual settlements are pretty sparsely populated, and in the case of the empire, not very well-managed. Reinhard's superior management of the Empire is how they suddenly wind up with a 100,000 spaceboat fleet, I guess As for your spoiler, I'm pretty sure the Empire simply had those ships before the show even starts, and a pretty huge leg up on the alliance. It's just that the Empire was even more corrupt and divided than the alliance so they had a bunch of fleets sitting around doing jack, relying on Iserlohn to keep the pesky rebels out. Reinhard states more than one time that he can't simply replace his lost fleets, whenever Bittenfeld goes off doing something dumb
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I imagine the Alliance and Empire had a fairly rough parity for a long time, but when the Alliance launches their invasion in the wake of capturing Iserlohn, it was pretty much an unmitigated disaster, and then Yang himself was forced to destroy a substantial part of the remainder to defeat the military coup d'etat. On the other hand the Empire took much lighter losses during the same time period, and during their civil war, I believe only a minority of forces went over to them, and on top of that a large part of their strength came from the nobles various private military forces. The Empire being the Empire, they probably had a significant amount of military strength simply repressing their population, which was no longer necessary following Reinhard's reforms. The only reason the Alliance could stand up to the Empire manpower-wise is because the appearance of an alternative to living in the Empire set off a tidal wave of refugees flowing into the FPA IIRC.
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