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Quest For Glory II posted:Hot drat Jaws dropping some loving science "I've only looked at five games" Well there you go Jaws, you moron. I doubt any of these analysts even look at game tape anymore.
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Are the Vikings actually in play for Watkins? Between Jennings and Patterson, you'd think they would want to go elsewhere. If they've got no one after that, they could probably find a cheap receiver in free agency, or later in the draft.
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Feb 26, 2014 15:55
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Would the Giants touch Lee or Evans? I saw a blip from Pauline stating Reese is very interested in the latter.
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Doltos posted:"I've only looked at five games" Depends which 5 games, I think. I don't think there is any value of watching tape of Manziel vs a D2 school.
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Regnevelc posted:Depends which 5 games, I think. I don't think there is any value of watching tape of Manziel vs a D2 school. Depends. You want to see how a QB does regardless of his competition. Scouts pour over every piece of tape they can because it's their 8-10 hour a day job to do it. A guy like Jaws has so much poo poo going on in his life that I doubt he really gives that much scrutiny to the process.
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Feb 26, 2014 16:52
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If two of those five games were against LSU, I can see where Jaws got his opinion from.
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John Brown posted:Yea, don't they need serious help on defense? Drafting primarily on need is a suboptimal strategy. They have some cap space they can use on defense, plus the addition of Zimmer should itself improve the defense somewhat. They're also picking so high that outside of Mack, Barr and Clowney there probably aren't great defensive prospects that high. Maybe one of the corners will rise but they just spent a first on a corner last year.
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Feb 26, 2014 17:11
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The saga of Crazypants McSDSURB continues:Rotoworld posted:A person close to San Diego State RB Adam Muema expressed concern about his whereabouts after the prospect left the NFL Combine for religious reasons.
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Disillusionist posted:Drafting primarily on need is a suboptimal strategy. They have some cap space they can use on defense, plus the addition of Zimmer should itself improve the defense somewhat. They're also picking so high that outside of Mack, Barr and Clowney there probably aren't great defensive prospects that high. Maybe one of the corners will rise but they just spent a first on a corner last year. They face Jeffery and Marshall of the da bears, as well as the packs receiving group so another first round corner wouldn't be terrible - hypothetically, but I dont follow them close enough to know if they have larger needs in the front 7, at safety or offensively. I think theyll need a pass rush though with J. Allen leaving?
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Doltos posted:The saga of Crazypants McSDSURB continues: Might want to give John Schneider a police escort
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My amateur opinion is that there is enough depth in the draft to be able to pick outside of need in the top part of the first round. Especially if you think the player there is really destined to become a top player in the league, which probably fits Sammy Watkins. Picking him and then sifting through the piles of good DE/CB talent in the top of the second round seems like a pretty decent plan to me. The exception would be if one of the QBs drops since it fills such a hole for the Vikings that would be much less likely to be fixed by taking Aaron Murray or whoever in the third.
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Feb 26, 2014 17:25
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With their first round selection, the Minnesota Vikings select Aj McCarron, QB, Alabama
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Vertical Lime posted:It's the ESPN machine at work just like when he said Kaepernick could be one of the all-time greats That'd be my guess. The combine's over and you need something football to talk about on the radio and sportscenter spots.
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Doltos posted:The saga of Crazypants McSDSURB continues: Getting bashed in the head with a baseball bat really hosed Muema up.
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John Brown posted:Yea, don't they need serious help on defense? If Zimmer doesn't draft a defensive corner or lineman with his first pick I will be shocked.
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Volkerball posted:Are the Vikings actually in play for Watkins? Between Jennings and Patterson, you'd think they would want to go elsewhere. If they've got no one after that, they could probably find a cheap receiver in free agency, or later in the draft. The idea has come up, but it seems like the current line of thinking is that they'll go defense, QB, or trade down from 8. I personally feel that the talent available on D drops after Clowney and Mack, so a decent case can be made for taking Watkins over 2nd tier defensive prospects like Barr, Ealy, Gilbert, and Clinton-Dix. It is a deep receiver draft and the Vikings have a decent 3rd/4th type receiver in Jarius Wright, but it is simply a matter that I think that Watkins is a much better prospect than 2nd tier of defenders. Outside of like offensive tackle, which they are already heavily invested in, I'd rather take the best player available than pick for need. John Brown posted:Yea, don't they need serious help on defense? They do, but especially when you are picking in the top 10, I don't think it is wise to force a pick for need if a much better player is available at another position. I'm just more convinced that Watkins will pan out than the group of defenders immediately after Clowney and Mack.
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Aniki posted:The idea has come up, but it seems like the current line of thinking is that they'll go defense, QB, or trade down from 8. I personally feel that the talent available on D drops after Clowney and Mack, so a decent case can be made for taking Watkins over 2nd tier defensive prospects like Barr, Ealy, Gilbert, and Clinton-Dix. It is a deep receiver draft and the Vikings have a decent 3rd/4th type receiver in Jarius Wright, but it is simply a matter that I think that Watkins is a much better prospect than 2nd tier of defenders. Outside of like offensive tackle, which they are already heavily invested in, I'd rather take the best player available than pick for need. Aaron Donald might be around then.
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Hey all. So we've been kicking around the idea of a podcast and I figure this year is as good as any to start one up for these forums. Darkforce898 made us a website at https://www.footballfunhouse.com for hosting these podcasts. I'll be recording my first one tonight. While 45 minutes of my own voice is an angelic choir to you all, I would really like to get multiple people in on one of these. Since bewbies is MIA, I will literally take anyone who can A) hold a conversation and B) has a mic and skype. Let me know through PMs or here if you want to get in on these draft podcasts. I doubt they'll ever take off but I'll be advertising them on here and reddit.
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Doltos posted:"I've only looked at five games" That's what interns are for.
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Aniki posted:The idea has come up, but it seems like the current line of thinking is that they'll go defense, QB, or trade down from 8. I personally feel that the talent available on D drops after Clowney and Mack, so a decent case can be made for taking Watkins over 2nd tier defensive prospects like Barr, Ealy, Gilbert, and Clinton-Dix. It is a deep receiver draft and the Vikings have a decent 3rd/4th type receiver in Jarius Wright, but it is simply a matter that I think that Watkins is a much better prospect than 2nd tier of defenders. Outside of like offensive tackle, which they are already heavily invested in, I'd rather take the best player available than pick for need. I would be surprised but not disappointed if the Vikings wound up with Watkins contingent on Free Agency. The unexpected rise in cap room paints a grimmer picture on securing a guy like Verner or Michael Johnson but if they can shore up the D with some FAs, landing Watkins would be very exciting.
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Volkerball posted:Aaron Donald might be around then. He's a possibility. The concern that I have with Donald is that his frame is pretty much maxed out at 285. He did put up great numbers at the combine and has a rare combination of speed and strength for a DT, but unless they plan to bulk up Sharrif Floyd, whose natural position is UT, I'd expect the Vikings to look for more of a NT to stop the run and protect the linebackers. They could look at Timmy Jernigan even though he is undersized for a NT, Louis Nix could be an option, but not at 8, or they could target Ego Ferguson in the 3rd.
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DangerKat posted:I would be surprised but not disappointed if the Vikings wound up with Watkins contingent on Free Agency. The unexpected rise in cap room paints a grimmer picture on securing a guy like Verner or Michael Johnson but if they can shore up the D with some FAs, landing Watkins would be very exciting. FA is a big piece of the puzzle. There hasn't been much about who the Vikings are trying to re-sign, though it is assume that they are trying to keep Griffen. I am think that Verner is probably pricing himself out of consideration, but 25 year old Pro Bowl corners rarely hit the open market. That being said, Zimmer is good at developing/salvaging DBs, so I'll trust whomever they bring in.
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I saw a "report" that the Texans are wanting to take Clowney now after that monstrous combine, but by "report" I mean "Bleacher Report" so grain of salt I guess  http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...amming-national quote:A number of NFL team sources say the Texans are now favoring taking Clowney with the first pick in the draft.
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Intruder posted:I saw a "report" that the Texans are wanting to take Clowney now after that monstrous combine, but by "report" I mean "Bleacher Report" so grain of salt I guess The schadenfreud from all the "Clowney's  " people if the Texans draft him will be magical.
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e: I'm being dumb today and misunderstood, I thought you meant people would be changing their minds about him
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"I didn't know Clowney would be such a physical freak at the combine!"-no one ever
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Welcome to the Browns zoneRotoworld posted:NFL.com's Daniel Jeremiah believes that Fresno State QB Derek Carr is the Browns guy at No.26. Get the jersey ready
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People are going to freak out about this prediction just as much as my Ponder prediction but: Derek Carr won't be there for their second pick.
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Doltos posted:People are going to freak out about this prediction just as much as my Ponder prediction but: Yeah, this actually makes way too much sense to not happen.
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Blitz7x posted:If EJ Manual can get drafted in the first then Derek Carr being drafted early wouldn't shock me Mind you EJ tested as well as Geno Smith, had a lot of pretty game tape, and definitely interviewed well. It wasn't all that surprising that he went that high in hindsight, and I think it was a savvy pickup in a relatively weak draft.
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Ehud posted:"I didn't know Clowney would be such a physical freak at the combine!"-no one ever Other than the bench press, which he sucked at
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Doltos posted:Mind you EJ tested as well as Geno Smith, had a lot of pretty game tape, and definitely interviewed well. It wasn't all that surprising that he went that high in hindsight, and I think it was a savvy pickup in a relatively weak draft.
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Quest For Glory II posted:What do you think about Logan Thomas, though? You know believe it or not I think he's fixable as a QB. It will take a lot of effort on his part but that potential alone could see him as an early second rounder specifically for that position. In general he's a superb athlete on par with Clowney and ASJ (when ASJ gives a poo poo and isn't injured). There's really not a precedent for a QB his size with his inability to throw a ball, though. Sure there's guys like Denard Robinson or Brad Smith, but they aren't nearly the size/speed ratio of Thomas. It makes it hard to predict exactly where he'll fall so I can't say with any certainty.
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Doltos posted:Mind you EJ tested as well as Geno Smith, had a lot of pretty game tape, and definitely interviewed well. It wasn't all that surprising that he went that high in hindsight, and I think it was a savvy pickup in a relatively weak draft. Not to mention the Bills traded back with the Rams and got an extra pick they used to get Kiko Alonso.
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Azhais posted:Other than the bench press, which he sucked at
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Am I the only one who finds it stupid as gently caress with them talking about the way Manziel projects in the NFL (mostly w/r/t size and the fact that he runs a lot, less so mechanics I guess) considering Russell Wilson just won the loving Super Bowl? I'm not saying he'll BE Russ, I'm just saying they used to say the same poo poo about him too (from what I remember).
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SamuraiFoochs posted:Am I the only one who finds it stupid as gently caress with them talking about the way Manziel projects in the NFL (mostly w/r/t size and the fact that he runs a lot, less so mechanics I guess) considering Russell Wilson just won the loving Super Bowl? I'm not saying he'll BE Russ, I'm just saying they used to say the same poo poo about him too (from what I remember). Russell Wilson is overly conservative and all about making smart decisions. He's pretty much the antithesis of Johnny Football.
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SamuraiFoochs posted:Am I the only one who finds it stupid as gently caress with them talking about the way Manziel projects in the NFL (mostly w/r/t size and the fact that he runs a lot, less so mechanics I guess) considering Russell Wilson just won the loving Super Bowl? I'm not saying he'll BE Russ, I'm just saying they used to say the same poo poo about him too (from what I remember). Have you seen them play? Wilson knows when to slide or head for the sideline when chased by a linebacker. Manziel will try to truck him.
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