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So, favorite supporting characters? Mine's gotta be the Erlking. I love how he goes from an unknown, menacing if not exactly malevolent force to a more defined character that grudgingly respects Harry's moxie. His (or rather, Harry's} appearance in Changes was just too perfect. On my first Cold Days read, the instant Harry sees a "depressingly familiar" person at the party, I knew, and got super pumped, and of course the clamax of Cold Days is so loving 
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Unlike a lot of people, I don't like Toot-Toot as a character; he's too "random monkeycheese" for my tastes. Another boring character is Lara Raith. I get that she's supposed to be an archetype, but she's a boring archetype. But one of my favorite characters is probably Marcone, simply because he seems to take everything involving Dresden in stride, and doesn't panic like every other mortal character. I haven't read the short story from his viewpoint, but he seems to have the view that "The supernatural world exists. How do I kill or contain it?" Anyone who can snark back at Harry is automatically on my list of favorites though. Except Lara, because she's boring.
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Feb 25, 2014 22:55
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Gygaxian posted:"The supernatural world exists. How do I kill or You're forgetting who we're talking about here 
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Feb 25, 2014 22:59
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AllTerrineVehicle posted:You're forgetting who we're talking about here I like the way he goes from "prevent this stuff affecting my business" to "use this stuff to enhance my business" to "make this stuff my business".
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Feb 25, 2014 23:21
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docbeard posted:Implied to be the one who blew up Murphy's car in White Night too, yeah? I think Mab was out of the planning on this entirely. Based on what we learned in Cold Days infected-Maeve was behind just about everything that didn't "make sense" from winter. She probably sent the fetches to grab Molly, with the hope that Harry would charge in and then free infected-Lea, who would go off and infect more people. It was kind of all one big Nemesis ploy: attack the wizards with Outsiders, attack Arcis Tor with hellfire to depose Mab and put Maeve in power, and have Harry wander in to free his infected godmother. I imagine Molly started to be eyed as a potential asset only after Mab realized Maeve had gone off the deep end.
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Feb 26, 2014 02:28
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There are so many thing I want included in this next book that honestly there is almost no way they could all be included. I really want to know how the white council will react along with Grandpa Mccoy. I have a feeling though it won't be in this book...so 2 more years of waiting.
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Feb 26, 2014 03:15
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Gygaxian posted:Unlike a lot of people, I don't like Toot-Toot as a character; he's too "random monkeycheese" for my tastes. Another boring character is Lara Raith. I get that she's supposed to be an archetype, but she's a boring archetype.
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Feb 26, 2014 04:06
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I always love reading scenes with Ebenezar McCoy. Having a character who could credibly put up with Harry's crap takes some effort, and Hoss comes of nicely for that. He might not be the best supporting character, but I'll happily offer him up as favorite.
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Feb 26, 2014 04:47
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My favorite tertiary supporting character is Sanya. Or maybe Butters. They both own.
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Feb 26, 2014 05:10
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Ghetto Prince posted:Think I found the first four chapters of Skin Game. I have no idea where this is from or who made it, but it seems like Butcher's style. Chalk up one more ancient entity that Harry's named.
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Feb 26, 2014 16:42
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I think that's a transcript of the youtube of Jim himself reading out those very chapters, just by the by.
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Feb 26, 2014 21:09
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ConfusedUs posted:Hey, heads up. Thanks for the recommendation on these. I'm partway into the first book and so far it's fun, though the narration is a little weird, both for the reasons you mention and just because of the narrator himself.
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Feb 26, 2014 21:12
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Thanks for the recommendation on these. I'm partway into the first book and so far it's fun, though the narration is a little weird, both for the reasons you mention and just because of the narrator himself. I'm actually not enjoying the second one. I'm only three chapters in and I want to punch the narrator so hard for being a dick, to the point that I haven't picked up the book in a couple days. I hope it gets better once the plot is established.
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Feb 26, 2014 21:53
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I loved Michael from the first page we meet him and I was pretty bummed when he was taken out of the main supporting cast. He's a quiet force for good in a hosed up world. And he isn't willing to compromise for results. He was also really the first person we saw early Harry open up to as a friend, and I think a big part of why Harry learns that he can trust people and accept their help. I really hope the rumors are true about Skin Game and his possible return to the main cast.
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Feb 27, 2014 00:35
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mistaya posted:I loved Michael from the first page we meet him and I was pretty bummed when he was taken out of the main supporting cast. He's a quiet force for good in a hosed up world. And he isn't willing to compromise for results. He was also really the first person we saw early Harry open up to as a friend, and I think a big part of why Harry learns that he can trust people and accept their help. If he does come back I don't see him surviving. If he gets in a fight he would lack the protection provided to the sword wielders
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Feb 27, 2014 01:14
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mistaya posted:I loved Michael from the first page we meet him and I was pretty bummed when he was taken out of the main supporting cast. He's a quiet force for good in a hosed up world. And he isn't willing to compromise for results. He was also really the first person we saw early Harry open up to as a friend, and I think a big part of why Harry learns that he can trust people and accept their help. Really? I'm glad he left the series ,it was already weird when he sent his unstable teenage daughter to live with his half crazy 40 something year old friend who's literally possessed by a demon , but then all his kids turn out to be magic , and oh, he's a direct descendant of King Arthur and oh, that magic sword is Excalibur and ect.
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Ghetto Prince posted:Really? I'm glad he left the series ,it was already weird when he sent his unstable teenage daughter to live with his half crazy 40 something year old friend who's literally possessed by a demon , but then all his kids turn out to be magic , and oh, he's a direct descendant of King Arthur and oh, that magic sword is Excalibur and ect. To be fair she was still living at home. She was just going to school with Harry. She doesn't actually move out of her parent's home until Ghost Story.
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I never liked Michael. He was just too much of the perfect good guy.
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Feb 27, 2014 01:58
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Khizan posted:I never liked Michael. He was just too much of the perfect good guy.
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Feb 27, 2014 02:14
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 Molly wasn't going to give up her magic the way Charity did, so sending her to train with Harry who was a good friend of the family (remember he's soulgazed Michael!) was a lot better than letting her run off and break more laws of magic on her own. Harry was never anything but professional and nice to Molly and he was over at the Carpenter's house all the time. Molly was going to be executed by the Council. She's only alive because Harry agreed to take responsibility for her. None of the other kids have shown any magical talent that I can remember, and his oldest boy is probably going to have issues with not being able to take up his Dad's sword (we already saw hints of that in Ghost Story). All three of the swords are special, how you can hold that against Michael I don't know. Pendent posted:If he does come back I don't see him surviving. If he gets in a fight he would lack the protection provided to the sword wielders Bringing him back JUST to kill him off would be so cheap. I don't think that's a card Butcher is going to play.
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I really think michael deserves his happily ever after, and I'd be irritated if he regressed his personal timeline to play the hero again. Let the man live, and if you absolutely have to gently caress with the carpenter household even more (please no) he has a couple of kids the right age for it. I'd much rather see a -brand new knight- from somewhere else. I think there's more than enough room for an interesting character there.
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Anias posted:I really think michael deserves his happily ever after, and I'd be irritated if he regressed his personal timeline to play the hero again. Let the man live, and if you absolutely have to gently caress with the carpenter household even more (please no) he has a couple of kids the right age for it.
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Nihilarian posted:It'd be interesting if Daniel was chosen by Fidelacchius. If anyone it's gonna be Murphy, as for why Micheal'd even be in the story it would be because of fall out from Cold Days, that's going to be a tough conversation for Molly to have with her dad, who will fairly or unfairly in some way blame Harry.
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It doesn't even have to be as a Knight. It's not like Butters or Forthill go into battle next to Harry. You can still be part of the cast without having to be part of the fighting, but Michael hasn't had any dialogue in the main books since he was retired. Harry's going to have to stop avoiding people at some point, Michael has his freaking daughter for chrissakes. If he goes over there and the adults are conveniently missing again I might implode. I want to see Charity make him some armor. He is the Winter Knight after all. I'd like to see Ramirez again too. VVVV-They never let him keep the nifty fae armor though! mistaya fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Feb 27, 2014 |
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mistaya posted:I want to see Charity make him some armor. He is the Winter Knight after all. Seems kind of like a downgrade from nifty fae gear. That said, one does not simply refuse Charity Carpenter.
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mistaya posted:It doesn't even have to be as a Knight. It's not like Butters or Forthill go into battle next to Harry. You can still be part of the cast without having to be part of the fighting, but Michael hasn't had any dialogue in the main books since he was retired. Harry's going to have to stop avoiding people at some point, Michael has his freaking daughter for chrissakes. If he goes over there and the adults are conveniently missing again I might implode. Yeah he should definitely go into Faerie with Iron gear, probably a good idea, although it would be the Dresden sort of thing to do I suppose. Like I said I believe Micheals role will be primarily around the fall out of the Cold days outcome. That's likely at least a chapter, and hey, Maybe we get some more Sanja too!
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Feb 27, 2014 06:59
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He wouldn't even be able to wear steel now anyway so it would have to be made of something else. I dunno, it's not like I can convince people to like the Carpenters but I always did. 
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Encasing himself in something that causes him enormous amounts of pain is a pretty Dresden move.
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mistaya posted:He wouldn't even be able to wear steel now anyway so it would have to be made of something else. He can wear steel, it just can't break his skin. Example: Picking up a nail doesn't hurt Harry at all, but stabbing it into Fix disrupts Fix's mantle. Etc, etc.
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SageSepthAtWork posted:Yeah he should definitely go into Faerie with Iron gear, probably a good idea, although it would be the Dresden sort of thing to do I suppose. Maybe not the Faerie, but if he was to do something really stupid like go to hades some armor with a bit of divinity rubbed off on it might be pretty handy.
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mistaya posted:It doesn't even have to be as a Knight. It's not like Butters or Forthill go into battle next to Harry. You can still be part of the cast without having to be part of the fighting, but Michael hasn't had any dialogue in the main books since he was retired. What if Michael taught him how to use a sword better? No fighting needed and Michael is supposedly a master swordsman, charity can spar with Harry.
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I mostly hope we don't see Michael return to 'active duty' because it's been established that he's a lot happier in retirement than he's been for a long time. (Wasn't that the entire point of The Warrior?) I'd love to see him around more as a character, though.
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mistaya posted:I loved Michael from the first page we meet him and I was pretty bummed when he was taken out of the main supporting cast. He's a quiet force for good in a hosed up world. And he isn't willing to compromise for results. He was also really the first person we saw early Harry open up to as a friend, and I think a big part of why Harry learns that he can trust people and accept their help. More like Uriel flies down to hell wielding one of the swords
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Azuth0667 posted:
He talked about it at the signing for turncoat I went to. His initial contract was for 8 books, and while by the time of PG there was no real doubt he would get another contract, he ended it calling out a bunch of hanging threads just in case the publisher needed a nudge
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I have to thank this thread for recommending Rivers of London to me. I plowed through them all over the course of a couple weekends, and they are (as recently noted) London as gently caress. And that's not a bad thing. I am quite looking forward to reading Foxglove Summer when it comes out later this year. ...It'll give me something to look forward to after I finish Skin Game.
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The last book of Rivers of London felt really off to me, I'm starting to feel that we should have a bigger picture than we currently do. Also, I reread the books in the Atrocity Archives series recently, they are not as fun as I remember. The IT talk after taking classes in IT just makes me want to roll my eyes.
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Exmond posted:More like Uriel flies down to hell wielding one of the swords This makes no sense. Uriel wouldn't *need* the sword
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Wade Wilson posted:This makes no sense. Uriel wouldn't *need* the sword Yo, he's gotta flex his e-peen somehow That said, I get the impression that Uriel works more like the White Court and rarely takes a direct hand in things.
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Wade Wilson posted:This makes no sense. Uriel wouldn't *need* the sword
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OptimusWang posted:Yo, he's gotta flex his e-peen somehow Well yeah, the direct approach is Michael's job. (No, the other Michael. Yes, that one.)
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