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Did anyone at all complain about Samuel L Jackson as Nick Fury? I heard much more petulant whining about Heimdall, who 99% of racists had never heard of before the Thor movie.
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Feb 27, 2014 20:30
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sonatinas posted:First lesbian kiss on TV was also on Star Trek. Are you sure? I just ran through that series and I don't remember that (and I can't find it by googling). I know Gene Roddenberry (and Rick Berman) have taken a lot of flak for not including any non-heterosexual characters in Star Trek.
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Feb 27, 2014 20:31
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CowHammer posted:Are you sure? I just ran through that series and I don't remember that (and I can't find it by googling). I know Gene Roddenberry (and Rick Berman) have taken a lot of flak for not including any non-heterosexual characters in Star Trek.
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Feb 27, 2014 20:38
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I always thought that it would be hilarious if some crazy genius had a run where Captain America was a socialist. I mean, he's from New York during World War 2. It's not really unreasonable to think that his parents might have been members of the Socialist party. After thawing, he wakes up in a modern world that's got everything upside down. His country needs him more than ever! Man, you think that Iron Man and Captain America butted heads before!
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Feb 27, 2014 20:38
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Leospeare posted:Did anyone at all complain about Samuel L Jackson as Nick Fury? I heard much more petulant whining about Heimdall, who 99% of racists had never heard of before the Thor movie. My father-in-law doesn't like Jackson's Fury, but he grew up reading Howling Commandos comics and I've never heard any racism in any other way from him. When it comes up I just ask him if he wants David Hasselhoff back in the role and he shuts right up. He thought Idris Elba was awesome as Heimdall though.
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Feb 27, 2014 20:41
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Leospeare posted:Did anyone at all complain about Samuel L Jackson as Nick Fury? I heard much more petulant whining about Heimdall, who 99% of racists had never heard of before the Thor movie. I don't remember much of that, but it might have been because Ultimate Nick Fury was always based on Samuel L Jackson, and the movies seem to take bits from the different lines. Now black Kingpin in Daredevil did get some nerd raging. As mediocre as that movie was, I think it was the right choice.
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Feb 27, 2014 20:42
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Leospeare posted:Did anyone at all complain about Samuel L Jackson as Nick Fury? I heard much more petulant whining about Heimdall, who 99% of racists had never heard of before the Thor movie. Huh, yeah, you're right, there was nothing. I guess Marvel did prime the pumps a bit by giving us a black and distinctly Sam-Jackson-esque Nick Fury in The Ultimates. Maybe because nerds have in their head that characters based on Norse mythology should only be white? /edit quote:Now black Kingpin in Daredevil did get some nerd raging. As mediocre as that movie was, I think it was the right choice. Heh, forgot about that one. Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure Michael Clarke Duncan got the role entirely because he was the only plausible actor physically large enough for the role. Casting Duncan did definitely alter the character, but in the same way that casting Robert Downey Jr. alters Tony Stark, not because he was black or anything. Some superheroes' whiteness, I'd argue, is integral to the character (Batman has to be an old-money child of privilege, and Captain America has to be a paragon of patriotic American ideals circa 1942) but definitely not any of the ones whose races have already been changed. MisterBadIdea fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Feb 27, 2014 |
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Feb 27, 2014 20:44
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MisterBadIdea posted:I don't think it's the interracial romance angle that scared off Hollywood, it's the fact that they'd have to have more than one black character, and that we certainly can't have. (Also Hollywood has very little use for black actresses for anything besides Tyler Perry movies, so there's no black actress who's a hot up-and-comer the way Michael B. Jordan is.) (who is nominated for an oscar for 12 Years a Slave, whereas Fruitvale Station got hella snubbed)
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Feb 27, 2014 21:11
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Ugh. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt, but considering the amount of thinly veiled racist poo poo that he posts it's kinda hard. I care about the REALITY!  
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Feb 27, 2014 21:25
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Didn't Marvel also do a thing where they made Captain America black because they would have tried the serum out on a black person before they would a white guy to make sure it's safe? Edit :posting from phone
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Feb 27, 2014 21:28
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KomradeX posted:Didn't Marvel also do a thing where they made Captain America black because they would have tried the serum out on a black person before they would a white guy to make sure it's safe? Looks like. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaiah_Bradley
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Feb 27, 2014 21:30
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MisterBadIdea posted:The fact that a black man is going to play a white person's brother reminds me of Heath Ledger's Australian accent in 10 Things I Hate About You, which is set in America. The filmmakers explain it away easily (He's from Australia, duh), but it's still an unnecessary and distracting detail that only existed because of a limitation of the actor. The inter-racial siblings in Fantastic Four will be explained away with a line of dialogue and after that people are gonna shut the gently caress up and watch the movie, but at the same time I doubt the filmmakers went with this casting because they sincerely thought the movie would be improved by a subplot about interracial families (and I say that coming from an interracial family). I mean, I know we all hate nerds and their pathetic fear of change, but I don't think it's unfair to say this casting feels forced and inorganic. I saw Les Mis in London a few years ago, and a black man played Enjolras. He had an amazing voice, he did a terrific job, and nobody shoved in a subplot about a son of an escaped Hatian slave to explain what an educated black man is doing in 1830s Paris, because it doesn't loving matter.
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Feb 27, 2014 21:50
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that terrible puffin showed up when my Canadian cousin reblogged the Australian Tea Party for some reason!
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Feb 27, 2014 21:55
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So my dad broke out the ol' "slippery slope to pedophilia/bestiality" argument in a post about some transgendered bathroom law. I've always had an issue with the equation of being gay with being someone who rapes kids so I decided to speak up.   Apparently the man on tv is a greater authority on the matter. e: timgs werent showing up for some reason.
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Feb 27, 2014 21:59
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VitalSigns posted:What if he was just the best person for the job and they liked his interpretation of the character? A black character shouldn't have to be justified or have a subplot to explain why he's black while the white actress playing his sister needs no explanation because white is the Default Person. It's not the black guy who has to explain himself, they BOTH have to explain themselves if they're supposed to be siblings.
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Feb 27, 2014 22:00
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Yeah I thought I remembered there was a huge ruckus among nerds about that. Which I remember when I first heard about this thought that makes sense and was an interesting thing to do. Not go bring BSS into this but meanwhile over at DC it's all white all the time (and no fatties.)
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Feb 27, 2014 22:26
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MisterBadIdea posted:It's not the black guy who has to explain himself, they BOTH have to explain themselves if they're supposed to be siblings. Neither really needs to explain it. Only if their superpowers were inherited from their parents or something genetic like that would the different skin color be a problem, and only in the most minor plotholeish sort of way. (Note: I know almost nothing about the series.) The audience should be able to come up with "one of us is adopted!  " on its own.
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Feb 27, 2014 22:27
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Today on my terrible family, someone saying a bad thing is Obama's fault, and when people call her dumb she says "LOL JUST STIRRING THE POT" And she still doesn't think Obama has a birth certificate:  I made a promise to my mom that I wouldn't get involved with anything she posts because her husband is my grandmothers brother and in my grandma's eyes, he can do no wrong. She is pretty constantly talking about how dumb OBUMMER voters are, calling black people (specifically black people, not just using it as a "not racist but") thugs and hoodlums, and has disrespected me and my wife enough that I refuse to go over to their house because it isn't worth the effort to play nice.
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Feb 27, 2014 22:32
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HipGnosis posted:that terrible puffin showed up when my Canadian cousin reblogged the Australian Tea Party for some reason! Unpopular [with liberals] Opinion Puffin e/ People Who Aren't Utterly Terrible Will Vehemently Disagree With What I Am About To Say (Puffin) Renaissance Robot fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Feb 27, 2014 |
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Feb 27, 2014 22:34
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KKKLIP ART posted:My mother's husband is my grandmother's brother Wait-wait a moment.
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Feb 27, 2014 22:44
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MisterBadIdea posted:It's not the black guy who has to explain himself, they BOTH have to explain themselves if they're supposed to be siblings. No, no they really don't. Nobody needs to explain their skin color to you, especially not in a movie where sunspots give them magical superpowers. There's a reason why the stupid character in Mean Girls was the one who demanded an explanation of someone else's skin color. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Feb 27, 2014 |
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Feb 27, 2014 22:44
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VitalSigns posted:No, no they really don't. Nobody needs to explain their skin color to you, especially not in a movie where sunspots give them magical superpowers. The stupid one in Mean Girls actually said you can't just ask why someone is a certain color. There ought to be an exception for the Hulk though, I think it's OK to ask why he's green.
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Feb 27, 2014 22:53
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VitalSigns posted:No, no they really don't. Nobody needs to explain their skin color to you, especially not in a movie where sunspots give them magical superpowers. They'll give a satisfactory, if slightly shoehorned-in, explanation and that'll be that. It's not a big deal. But saying "nobody needs to explain their skin color to you" presumes no one ever notices or thinks about race or wouldn't want to know the details of why a black person and white person are siblings, which is naive. I mean, they don't have to explain it, just like no one ever explains why everyman characters played by Arnold Schwarzenegger are gigantic slabs of beef with accents thicker than his biceps, but just because audiences know to roll with it doesn't mean it isn't awkward. MisterBadIdea fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Feb 27, 2014 |
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Feb 27, 2014 22:56
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VitalSigns posted:No, no they really don't. Nobody needs to explain their skin color to you, especially not in a movie where sunspots give them magical superpowers. I actually hope the screenwriters put in literally zero lines about them being different races, and it is never addressed at all in any way, and that the characters are just two people who never mention race, and their friends don't mention race either, because they've known each other all their lives (or at least for years) and no one gives a poo poo that they're interracial siblings. Think how weird it would be if ten years after meeting someone you suddenly felt obliged to have an awkward conversation where you explain why you're friends with them even though they're Hispanic and you're Asian, just because a screenwriter thought the audience would get confused otherwise.
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Feb 27, 2014 22:57
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KKKLIP ART posted:"LOL JUST STIRRING THE POT" The version I've run into is "kicking the beehive". That's right, you being a loving idiot is somehow a valuable service that we can't get anywhere else.
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Feb 27, 2014 23:05
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Nyarai posted:It was the Rejoined episode, where Dax reunites with a previous host's wife. While not the first, it was certainly one of the first. CowHammer might have been thinking of the TNG episode called The Outcast, where Riker falls in love with someone from a androgynous species. Jonathan Frakes lobbied for the the role to be given to a man, but the suits got nervous.
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Feb 27, 2014 23:06
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My cousin wrote an article about the Texas court decision with all the redefinition of traditional marriage and yadda yadda. Here's the lone comment. Then he got this one by email.  Here's a welfare cheat whine from a friend that I don't plan to start poo poo with.   From where did the Cato Institute conjure these numbers?
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Feb 27, 2014 23:10
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Nyarai posted:My cousin wrote an article about the Texas court decision with all the redefinition of traditional marriage and yadda yadda. Here's the lone comment. It's the Cato Institute, so probably their asses.
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Feb 27, 2014 23:15
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Ror posted:The stupid one in Mean Girls actually said you can't just ask why someone is a certain color. Nope, the stupid one (Karen) asks that, and Gretchen, the one who isn't the stupid one or the leader (Regina), chastises her. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXovJSCc6M0 Fakeedit: What does it say about me that I felt the need to make this post?
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Feb 27, 2014 23:19
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Dr Christmas posted:
Nothing. Mean Girls is un ironically a good movie  .
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Feb 27, 2014 23:22
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Nyarai posted:
http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2013/08/29/dont-be-misled-by-flawed-cato-study-purporting-welfare-pays-better-than-work/ It's a good, concise takedown of the Cato report. NC Policy Watch posted:The report’s findings should not be seriously considered by any policymaker, or anyone else, because there are several major flaws in the analysis. The authors incorrectly assume that a “typical” family qualifies for and receives assistance from all seven of the most common safety-net programs while non-working families get none. There are two crucial blunders with this methodology. edit: vVv to my credit, I read that blog's takedown when the Cato thing was first released, so it was in my memory vVv sweart gliwere fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Feb 27, 2014 |
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Feb 27, 2014 23:22
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The report in question is here. I don't have the time to examine it fully, but the amounts listed were supposedly for a single mother of two. It also assumes that the individual is receiving benefits from the following programs, all at once: TANF, SNAP, Medicaid, "housing assistance"(multiple programs with different names), "utilities assistance"(ditto), WIC, and TEFAP. Details of how individual payments from the different programs in each state (in Table 16) were calculated aren't provided. The authors indicate that they dealt with the fact that recipients of some programs would have reduced eligibility for others, but the details of the method also aren't provided. I am not knowledgeable enough about tax law to evaluate their discussion of how taxes were calculated, although a full accounting of per state deductions was again not made available. I suspect that the mother of two children part does most of the work for the authors. Two dependents would definitely increase payments to the household, but the family profile used isn't mentioned in most of the report: the goal is to focus on the employment decisions of the individual and avoid thinking about potential impact on the child. A key point here is that no information is provided about how most of these numbers were reached. As an aside, the whole document is also terribly formatted. Most of the pages are split down the middle with text sandwiched above and below, center-justified. edit: I'm going to claim not entirely beaten, since I had to suffer reading through a drat CATO Institute report to find the methodological flaws. sweart gliwere just went and found a progressive blogpost making several similar points. He/she gets to sleep tonight. I get to go on detox. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Feb 27, 2014 |
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Feb 27, 2014 23:27
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Yeah basically CATO used a single mom of 2 who is absolutely destitute and manages to have 2 kids in the correct age group to receive the maximum of all benefits.(also like 1/2 the amount is Medicaid).
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Feb 27, 2014 23:30
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HipGnosis posted:that terrible puffin showed up when my Canadian cousin reblogged the Australian Tea Party for some reason! gently caress you, you're a Puffin what do you know about bullying in schools?
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Feb 27, 2014 23:35
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HipGnosis posted:that terrible puffin showed up when my Canadian cousin reblogged the Australian Tea Party for some reason!
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Feb 27, 2014 23:51
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Discendo Vox posted:Wait-wait a moment. I goofed. This woman is my grandmother's brother's wife. I promised my mom I wouldn't respond to the woman's posts because it could blowback and upset grandmother.
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Feb 27, 2014 23:54
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KomradeX posted:Yeah I thought I remembered there was a huge ruckus among nerds about that. Which I remember when I first heard about this thought that makes sense and was an interesting thing to do. Not go bring BSS into this but meanwhile over at DC it's all white all the time (and no fatties.) I can't recall if the nerdrage was about race or just Marvel apparently screwing with continuity as it wasn't apparently clear whether Bradley becomes a super soldier before or after Steve Rogers. I'm unsure why continuity matters should ever get anyone upset considering how often it is hosed with, but nerds be nerds.
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Feb 28, 2014 00:17
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Guilty Spork posted:"Teaching kids to not be utterly despicable shitheads who victimize other kids" somehow equals "creating a society of victims." Ooookay. If everyone bullies no one is a victim.
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Feb 28, 2014 00:47
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Guilty Spork posted:"Teaching kids to not be utterly despicable shitheads who victimize other kids" somehow equals "creating a society of victims." Ooookay. I don't even know what "society of victims" means since anti-bullying efforts are trying to reduce the number of victims.
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