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quote:Questions and discussion about building explosive power vs stability Generally speaking when you boil a specific exercise like a squat or a box jump down in to what you're actually doing you can see how it will translate on to the ice. For example a standard bar bell squat if you think about it is just you pushing through a range of motion in a balanced, controlled manner. The outcome of this on the ice is the same; its going to improve your balance and control and your ability to resist contact - it probably won't make you much of a quicker skater. Compare this against an explosive exercise like a box jump or lateral hop. Think about what it is you're doing. You're exploding, using maximum force to drive yourself in a given direction. Translate this on to the ice - you're sprinting for a loose puck in the corner, you're driving with your legs as hard as possible. I think on the whole it is important to have an aspect of both in your off ice training so that you're able to build yourself a solid base and then develop the power to make the most of it. It certainly shouldn't be one or the other. Typically speaking my workouts are about 60/40 or 70/30 stability to explosive ratio and that has been serving me very well. Below is what Zetterberg does. You can see why it is a good example of a balance between stability and power. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evIYUTDO7Z4 Zip! fucked around with this message at 14:06 on Feb 24, 2014 |
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That said, if you haven't been doing much strength training, even bog standard squats and deadlifts will translate into immediate improvements on the ice. I guess it depends on what "a while ago" translates into. Way I see it there's basically two levels.. the strength baseline which is just standard muscle building to get you into a condition where you're capable of the other stuff, which is that Zetterberg type of workout. The problem with a lot of the hockey workouts you find online is they're built for people (well, kids) who are already in pretty drat good condition. If you're a desk jockey like me trying to get their carcass to move around, a lot of that stuff is difficult enough that you get diminished benefit out of it.
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Here is what I feel is a really good base strength program. For your first time through I'd recommend extending it out to 10 weeks. I cycle between this and a more dynamic/plyometric based workout every 4-6 weeks. code:
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# ? Feb 24, 2014 16:47 |
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holy poo poo Zip! I've been waiting for a while for someone to post something like that so I stop making GBS threads around like a moron at the gym. In more hockey playing news: I am finding renewed fun in playing defense and skating backwards faster than some of the people in the league can skate forwards. Also love hearing from teammates "you know you jumped up a little more than you should have right? I know you made up for it by getting back fast but..."
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xzzy posted:That said, if you haven't been doing much strength training, even bog standard squats and deadlifts will translate into immediate improvements on the ice. I guess it depends on what "a while ago" translates into. Way I see it there's basically two levels.. the strength baseline which is just standard muscle building to get you into a condition where you're capable of the other stuff, which is that Zetterberg type of workout. Years ago someone gave me the Athlete Construction CD, and really all the individual movements were accessible to de-conditioned old farts. The main problem is that the program as written takes a *ton* of time and space, and it's a lot harder for us as working adults to find that. Incorporating the various ball passes (like Zetterberg does in that video, you can also do passes to the front and to overhead), inch worms (kind of the no-equipment equivalent to those TRX jackknives Zetterberg does, good for abs and shoulders), kneeling sprint starts, side and back lunges, unweighted squat jumps or box jumps, etc. piecemeal into a metcon is certainly doable, though.
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Sellouts if you're around I think Nit and I are going to hit up s/p again today. Practice bench sitting again.
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xzzy posted:Of course I'm officially the slowest and weakest skater on the ice again. I've been slowly creeping my way up the skill ladder in the instructional league and this took me down several pegs. I really gotta get faster strides and better on my edges. Outside edges are a bitch and I'm still trying to use them. I tried putting more weight on the outside edge on tight turns but I'm poo poo at it.
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Same here, I'm getting incrementally better at it to the point I'm actually doing crossovers in games now, but it's still not great. Putting weight on that edge fires off all kinds of "you gonna fall down you idiot!" warnings in my brain and it takes conscious effort to get myself to do it. It's just a question of reps at this point, I know how to do it, I just gotta get the muscle memory ingrained.
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xzzy posted:Same here, I'm getting incrementally better at it to the point I'm actually doing crossovers in games now, but it's still not great. Putting weight on that edge fires off all kinds of "you gonna fall down you idiot!" warnings in my brain and it takes conscious effort to get myself to do it. I am the queen of the no-outside-edge stand-up crossover until I actually need to move quickly in a game situation. Then I have the split second of "whoa my feet are over there" and almost blow a tire.
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Also being timely, US Hockey just spammed this article about core strength: http://adulthockey.usahockey.com/news_article/show/351904?referrer_id=705816 Maria Mountain is a pretty smart lady, she keeps a blog at hockeytrainingpro.com that gives out a lot of interesting information.
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Acethomas posted:Sellouts if you're around I think Nit and I are going to hit up s/p again today. Practice bench sitting again. I can't make it down there in time when I'm working unfortunately However there's a beginners pickup being organized on Tuesday nights at Torrance. It's private but all people who are just in learn to skate or copper level leagues. I went last week with a friend. It's pretty boring honestly but I only had 1 game scheduled in February so I was hurting for ice time. I'll loop you into it if they do it this week.
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I think I definitely need more flexibility to do the crossovers, anyone have a good idea how to stretch the hips/legs so I can bring them further over?
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sellouts posted:I can't make it down there in time when I'm working unfortunately I'd love to go on the nights my league isn't Tuesday (We're a T/Th league at Lakewood). I'm sure Nit would be interested in getting into it though. What time was it at?
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10:45 because of LMU, now that they're out of the playoffs they'll likely get the 9:40 slot, so not too bad.
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Doctor Butts posted:I think I definitely need more flexibility to do the crossovers, anyone have a good idea how to stretch the hips/legs so I can bring them further over? Practice at a public skate with your shinguards on. Over step them so that you get a more solid feel for the idea. It will feel really goofy but it helps. Even if you have to do it holding on to the boards. When I was learning, I started standing at the copier/printer at work with my legs/feet crossed on the outside edges of my shoes. It feels and looks kinda silly but it helps with some of the feel I guess.
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Doctor Butts posted:I think I definitely need more flexibility to do the crossovers, anyone have a good idea how to stretch the hips/legs so I can bring them further over? Do you bend your knees? That helps quite a bit in making room for the leg to get over.
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Bootcha posted:While I hope Bradf0rd makes it to B1, I also kinda hope we get together on the old alcoholic team. I'm still in B2 for Spring but won't know who with until tonight's draft before our semi-final game. The draft drama has already begun and I'm just laughing at it all.
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Zip! posted:Here is what I feel is a really good base strength program. For your first time through I'd recommend extending it out to 10 weeks. I cycle between this and a more dynamic/plyometric based workout every 4-6 weeks. Thanks for this, I've been looking for a new workout plan that would compliment hockey better and now I can be lazy about looking for it and just actually do it. In my own hockey news, I've been playing for a few months now after never skating - hockey culture is tiny here in Australia. I'm heading to LA/Montreal/SF and possibly NYC soon and a friend of a friend is bringing me to Montreal vs Detroit while I'm in Montreal. He's also arranging a game with him and his friends at a rink. An Australian with 4 months of skating vs a heap of french Canadians? I'm going to die.
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At 7pm I tried to sign up for the noon skate tomorrow. It was full…again
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Where do you live that a Tuesday skate at noon is full?
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Denver/Boulder. This town is full up.
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Dangerllama posted:Denver/Boulder. Too loving bad because as I said earlier, Denver region is #1 on mine and my wife's destinations when we leave Chicago in a couple years.
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You're coming from the midwest and not either coast so I mean, you can move here if you want to. You don't ski, do you? If you ski, we're full. I hear Salt Lake is super awesome though. e: Sorry. I'm grumpy today. I grew up here and now we have full drop-ins and 2-hour+ delays on I-70 coming down from the hills. But honestly you seem like a chill dude. You can come. waffle enthusiast fucked around with this message at 05:09 on Feb 25, 2014 |
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Dangerllama posted:You're coming from the midwest and not either coast so I mean, you can move here if you want to. Used to, haven't touched skis since I left Alaska. I just want mountains and snow and an ice rink, and Denver is the best option for that where there's jobs available for me and the woman.
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Dangerllama posted:At 7pm I tried to sign up for the noon skate tomorrow. It was full again Our nooner fills up at 23hrs before and it's pretty loving high level. It's the hardest public skate to get into. NoArmedMan posted:Thanks for this, I've been looking for a new workout plan that would compliment hockey better and now I can be lazy about looking for it and just actually do it. If you're going to schlep gear out to LA I can probably get you a skate out here as well if you want.
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Also any tournaments or good skates happening in NorCal either Easter weekend or the last weekend in April? I've got a freedom run those weekends, need to get up there to see my buddy's new baby, and am down for a weekend of hockey.
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Dangerllama posted:At 7pm I tried to sign up for the noon skate tomorrow. It was full…again
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Boulder Valley. It's always a good skate.
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I had a guy take a 2-handed baseball swing at me last night. Too bad it was on my shins and I didn't even feel it. Good times. In good news, we won 3-1 and grabbed the #1 seed for the playoffs next week. Ended up with a 20-2-2 record. Henrik Zetterberg fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Feb 25, 2014 |
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Another secret code for HockeyMonkey. This time, 25% off Easton Clearance skates or stick. Let me know if you want it.
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:I had a guy take a 2-handed baseball swing at me last night. Too bad it was on my shins and I didn't even feel it. Good times. Was it Phil Kessel? waffle enthusiast fucked around with this message at 04:17 on Feb 27, 2014 |
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Tomorrow night, hockey is back in Pittsburgh! Why is it that the Olympics seem to take so long?
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Dangerllama posted:Was it Phil Kessel? He was fat so anything is possible!
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# ? Feb 27, 2014 05:46 |
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Last month, 17 games into a 25 game season, our team got bumped up to the next div. Our record for the div we were in was a 15-1-1 including a couple forfeit games we won. Thing is, we weren't winning with blow outs, the games were all hard fought and close. They were fun and I felt that despite our strong record, we were a good fit for the div. I voice my concerns to the director about how we're a slow team and I'm not sure we can handle even one div higher, and this late in the season there might not be time to bump us back down. He reassures me that we'll be moved back down if things don't work out. Sure enough, we get blown out every game in the new div. After each game, the director tells "oh that will be your last game in this div, we're moving you back down." 5 games manage to pass by with nothing done and now the decision has been made that we're staying in this div because "it wouldn't be fair to the other teams to move you back down". Meanwhile, none our games in the first div count anymore and our current record in the new div is abysmal so we're going to miss the playoffs. hurray for terribly run leagues
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# ? Feb 27, 2014 22:38 |
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that sucks but it's just beer league playoffs
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# ? Feb 27, 2014 23:02 |
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That's really lovely. Moving teams should be done mid-season.
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sellouts posted:that sucks but it's just beer league playoffs Hey that's good ice time! (best of 3 format for series) Honestly it seems kinda silly to me that some teams don't get the extra playoff games when everyone's paying the same amount. Luckily there are a few options for leagues in the city I live in so we'll have to shop around a bit more next season.
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# ? Feb 27, 2014 23:09 |
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I like relegation mid-season. There's nothing worse than playing a team for 20% of your season that won't even get a shot on goal or vice versa. But I do think it should happen before 18 games into the season if it's happening at all. Also I bet you're not getting moved back down because the other teams bitched about you going 15-1-1. It's easy to say they feel fun when you're winning 15-1-1 and you all know how whiny other teams can be.
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# ? Feb 28, 2014 00:36 |
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If you win like 90% of your games you should move up.
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Last sunday we played a team that just got moved into our division after winning 6 straight games with a combined score of like 40-2 or something. We beat them 10-3. They were not happy. edit - at the end of the 1st we were losing 3-1. We were not happy. bewbies fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Feb 28, 2014 |
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