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Dr Pepper posted:Going the magic route produces some pretty After finally getting the proper Kevan epilogue I kind of felt bad for all the times I obliterated him. The guy has some issues and is just super overprotective of his family as a result, so he blames you since you're the easiest target of his blame.
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And MMOs and crossword puzzles and bunny rabbits I/O is pretty good so far, I'm balls deep in Route A or whatever, Hinata's path. I've noticed a few errors in the translation, but it's surprisingly solid for being a 1.0 translation of what appears to be a very long game. One complaint I have so far is that Hinata's character development happens a liiittle bit too quickly, but I guess after it happens the pace really picks up a lot; once it gets going, it's hard to put it down, even when you're being assaulted by keywords once or twice a scene.
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You know how Dysfunctional Systems was well received, but not financially successful? Well, Dischan has put up a kickstarter for the rest of the trilogy. Of particular note is that they are taking measures to not repeat mistakes from the first.Why Kickstarter posted:Dysfunctional Systems: Learning to Manage Chaos has been quite successful considering the challenges that faced it. Despite its obscurity and niche genre, it was able to muscle its way onto Steam through Greenlight and achieve decent sales. I have yet to read the first and Jupiter's Knot, but I'm going to throw some money their way because I really want to see them succeed.
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Mangagamer dropped some hints about new licenses today: http://blog.mangagamer.org/2014/02/26/look-forward-to-2014/ quote:I won’t spoil the surprises too much this early in the year, but we already have one title that will make you question the meaning of love and happiness with it’s deep story, one title that will push the bounds and limits of what the English market’s officially seen, as well as two new titles that brave into completely new territory for our company. Of course, those hints are only for the games we’ve already secured. That says nothing about what negotiations are currently underway with a few different companies, including one big name we’re discussing title selection with. Some interesting stuff on that list.
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Mangagamer post: "That says nothing about what negotiations are currently underway with a few different companies, including one big name we’re discussing title selection with. What a beautiful year to come." So, Liarsoft then.
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mangagamer posted:one title that will push the bounds and limits of what the English market’s officially seen, It's going to be an awful nukige isn't it?
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Nephilm posted:It's going to be an awful nukige isn't it? I haven't played the game in question myself, but people keep telling me there's actually an interesting story behind all of the weird porn. It's probably not going to be a thread-appropriate title regardless though.
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People seem to be saying it's likely euphoria. I don't know whether it's "just" a nukige or not but from reading the vndb page it looks massively hosed up and way further over the line than say, Saya no Uta is.
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jonjonaug posted:Mangagamer post: "That says nothing about what negotiations are currently underway with a few different companies, including one big name we’re discussing title selection with. What a beautiful year to come." Man, I hope so - the question is, which WAB titles? I doubt they'd pull a deal with Ixrec for Inganock and/or Sharnoth, so would they pick up something else from the series, or...?
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Pornographic Memory posted:People seem to be saying it's likely euphoria. I don't know whether it's "just" a nukige or not but from reading the vndb page it looks massively hosed up and way further over the line than say, Saya no Uta is. Is that the one that's like saw but with weird sex poo poo? Because if so yeah that's hosed up. Either way... Good_Haro posted:I haven't played the game in question myself, but people keep telling me there's actually an interesting story behind all of the weird porn. It's probably not going to be a thread-appropriate title regardless though. Yeah, might as well stop discussing what it might or might not be. Onto the rest, does liar soft have anything worthwhile that hasn't been fantranslated yet?
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Nephilm posted:Onto the rest, does liar soft have anything worthwhile that hasn't been fantranslated yet? Quite a bit. Seven-Bridge, Hikari no Valusia, Shiei no Sona-Nyl, Okujou no Yurirei-san, and Ourai no Gahkthun.
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Liarsoft has clearly been interested in bringing WAB to the west considering that Engrish-ridden "international" site they put up a while ago, so it seems plausible. All the Sakurai games are great. Gahkthun would be a logical choice because it features high-definition art and has an accessible story (much less depressing than some of the games in that series). They're also really defined by the poetic writing style, so quality translation would be important.
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Hoping one or both of those two titles that "brave into completely new territory" are yuri. The only officially translated thing in that genre I can think of was Demon Master Chris, and that was kind of poo poo.
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Blhue posted:Hoping one or both of those two titles that "brave into completely new territory" are yuri. The only officially translated thing in that genre I can think of was Demon Master Chris, and that was kind of poo poo. They're probably the BL and otome games they've been hinting at.
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So I'm playing through I/O right now and I'm in Route A Cluster 6 (haven't finished any routes yet). Right at the end of Cluster 5 LEM tells you that your handle in Babylon is Shamash. I could have sworn I'd heard that name come up during one of Inagaki and Yoshida's conversations, but after going back I didn't find any mention of it. I'm sure the significance of the name will come up later, but does anyone remember where it was originally mentioned? This is really bugging me.
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glomkettle posted:So I'm playing through I/O right now and I'm in Route A Cluster 6 (haven't finished any routes yet). Right at the end of Cluster 5 LEM tells you that your handle in Babylon is Shamash. I could have sworn I'd heard that name come up during one of Inagaki and Yoshida's conversations, but after going back I didn't find any mention of it. I'm sure the significance of the name will come up later, but does anyone remember where it was originally mentioned? This is really bugging me. You may have heard of it in one the keywords entries. Or maybe you've heard of it outside of the game entirely. But regardless, it's not a major mystery and the game spells out its significance not too long after. So just keep reading I guess. Edit: I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in one of the early keywords entries though, so I would guess that's where you heard it. Boneless Jogger fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Feb 28, 2014 |
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glomkettle posted:So I'm playing through I/O right now and I'm in Route A Cluster 6 (haven't finished any routes yet). Right at the end of Cluster 5 LEM tells you that your handle in Babylon is Shamash. I could have sworn I'd heard that name come up during one of Inagaki and Yoshida's conversations, but after going back I didn't find any mention of it. I'm sure the significance of the name will come up later, but does anyone remember where it was originally mentioned? This is really bugging me. I'm roughly at the same point, and I'm pretty sure its the signature that Hinata's father leaves. So I'm pretty sure his father's been using his sister's computer to dive into Babylon to find clues just like Hinata's about to do.
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Blhue posted:Hoping one or both of those two titles that "brave into completely new territory" are yuri. The only officially translated thing in that genre I can think of was Demon Master Chris, and that was kind of poo poo. Are there any good yuri VNs at all? Katahane? Aoishiro?
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Sinner Sandwich posted:I'm roughly at the same point, and I'm pretty sure its the signature that Hinata's father leaves. So I'm pretty sure his father's been using his sister's computer to dive into Babylon to find clues just like Hinata's about to do. Oh yeah, that sounds about right, thanks. I was pulling my hair out trying to remember where it was.
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jackofarcades posted:Are there any good yuri VNs at all? Katahane? Aoishiro? I've heard decent things about Atlach-Nacha but it's old and untranslated and it's also an Alicesoft game so the possibility that I'm being lied to and it's actually bad is quite high. At the very least the concept sounds different from typical shoujo-ai/yuri stuff.
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First, thanks to Artificer for helping me out last night with an impromptu VN-101 guide. It started last night, when looking through ADTRW to see what was happening. I've read and watched manga/anime for a while now and I've always enjoyed the lightheartedness and ease of watching HighSchool DxD / Sora no Otoshimono / Sekerei etc., so when I read the OP here I figurted that VN's might be an interesting new segway for me. The only downside is my knowledge of VN's was (is) exactly what's covered in the OP and the first few pages of this thread. I grabbed MuvLuv Extra and Unlimited with the Fuwanovel(?) English patch after seeing some excitement about how it's an emotional kick in the nuts and it seemed to be repeatedly spoken highly of. Figured it might be a good one to start with as I'm a sucker for sitting and having a good cry in front of the TV. So far, I'm through the first day of school and I'm... well, it's interesting. I love the visuals, although I'm struggling to break the feeling that I should be doing more than just clicking - my brain won't make the leap from "this is on a computer so it's a game" to "this is a visual book, just read and click already." Definitely enjoying it though - had a couple of laugh-out-loud moments and I think I'm following along with what's happening so far. All in all, pleased I found this thread and looking forward to continuing the read later this evening.
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jackofarcades posted:Are there any good yuri VNs at all? Katahane? Aoishiro? Not really. Katahane isn't outright bad, but its weapons grade boring. Like, I love the poo poo out of slow slice of life shows and Katahane bored the hell out of me. Aoishiro I liked overall, it felt a bit like someone trying to make a Fate clone with an all female cast. Has a pretty good soundtrack too. My only problem with it stems from the fact that it was originally a console game, so the relationships were more shoujo-ai than yuri. Even in the routes where the attraction between the protagonist and the heroine were most obvious, they didn't actually end up romantically involved in the epilogues. Since I'm a romance junkie, that was kind of disappointing to me, but other people wouldn't be bothered by it as much. Weirdly, the yuri vns I've liked the most were the Sono Hanabira games, and those are basically nukige. If you've ever read one of those sugary-sweet yuri one shot mangas that happen to have a sex scene in them, that's more or less what the Hanabira games are. Each one is a few hours of that sort of fluff, really cute but bogged down by a ton of sex. Also, if you read them, you might want to avoid the 7th game, as the couple depicted in it is fairly creepy. Blhue fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Feb 28, 2014 |
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jackofarcades posted:Are there any good yuri VNs at all? Katahane? Aoishiro? If MangaGamer really has a deal with Liar-soft, we might get their Okujou no Yurirei-san. It's supposed to be pretty good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2SVeD_0k2Y Blhue posted:Weirdly, the yuri vns I've liked the most were the Sono Hanabira games, and those are basically nukige. If you've ever read one of those sugary-sweet yuri one shot mangas that happen to have a sex scene in them, that's more or less what the Hanabira games are. Each one is a few hours of that sort of fluff, really cute but bogged down by a ton of sex. There's an all-ages game in the series, Hanahira!, but nobody's translated it. Really shows what people's priorities are.
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jackofarcades posted:Are there any good yuri VNs at all? Katahane? Aoishiro? I enjoyed both Akai Ito and Aoishiro, but I wouldn't say either of them were amazing. Also, as Blhue says, they're not dedicated romance stories; more like action stories in which the romance subplots happen to be between two girls.
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Mangagamer just finally announced the release date/opened preorders for Chou Dengeki Stryker. March 28th. Also I guess you can preorder a hardcopy of Tick! Tack! if you're weird and actually want that.
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I don't think there'll ever be "good" yuri VNs in the way this thread defines good "normal" VNs, which tends to involve a lot of meta gimmicks, genre commentary, lots of existentialist angst over what it means to be a hero and the meaning of life and death. Hard to get across the correct phrasing, but I guess it's like how Hollywood treats "disabled" or "gay" as a single core aspect of a character along the same lines of "is a smart scientist." Being a Yuri/BL/Otome game tends to already takes up your "differentiation" slot. Because of the way "market demands" work even for indie works, if your game falls into one of those categories then essentially you've chosen to do so on purpose and want to capitalize on it somehow (instead of the default male/female stories), usually with romance. In theory there certainly nothing stopping some doujin writer from doing some sort of ML Alt concept but just randomly waking up and saying "you know what, this would be way better if all the characters were boys" but I'm not particularly holding my breath for it to happen. Moving on, MangaGamer is picking up LiarSoft works? On one hand, I guess I like what has been fantranslated of their games so far but on the other hand, I sure hope MG's translation quality has significantly improved since Edelweiss. As far as I can tell, LS games isn't something that can pass with subpar translation because the core concept is good (in the way Ever17 does) and they're heavily reliant on their poetry-like prose, so I hope they don't pull another "become lily" tier mistake.
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Davzz posted:I don't think there'll ever be "good" yuri VNs in the way this thread defines good "normal" VNs, which tends to involve a lot of meta gimmicks, genre commentary, lots of existentialist angst over what it means to be a hero and the meaning of life and death.  Guess I'll play more Fate tonight. I may actually finish a VN one day
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Davzz posted:Moving on, MangaGamer is picking up LiarSoft works? On one hand, I guess I like what has been fantranslated of their games so far but on the other hand, I sure hope MG's translation quality has significantly improved since Edelweiss. As far as I can tell, LS games isn't something that can pass with subpar translation because the core concept is good (in the way Ever17 does) and they're heavily reliant on their poetry-like prose, so I hope they don't pull another "become lily" tier mistake. I don't think I'm really qualified to discuss the finer points of translation as far as faithfulness to the original text goes or anything but their translations have improved significantly since Edelweiss. They still let a fair amount of typos slip through, but they're at least in coherent, readable English that is done by native English speakers.
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Davzz posted:I don't think there'll ever be "good" yuri VNs in the way this thread defines good "normal" VNs, which tends to involve a lot of meta gimmicks, genre commentary, lots of existentialist angst over what it means to be a hero and the meaning of life and death.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Doesn't SubaHibi basically qualify as this? Granted I haven't played it but I'm pretty sure it has lesbians and weird meta poo poo. And isn't that also a super creepy game with all kinds of depraved poo poo? They can throw as much pseudo-philosophical bullshit they want on top of that but it still won't change what it is.
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dotalchemy posted:First, thanks to Artificer for helping me out last night with an impromptu VN-101 guide. If you're going in to Muv Luv totally blind you're in for a real treat. Stay the hell away from ANY kind of spoilers or info about the rest of the series, especially until you reach unlimited. Extra is generally regarded as super slow, so if you're enjoying it now you'll love the later parts. If you start to get bored, just hang in there. The payoff will more than make up for it. Also, if you post reactions/speculation here as you go along, this thread always eats them up.
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Davzz posted:I don't think there'll ever be "good" yuri VNs in the way this thread defines good "normal" VNs, which tends to involve a lot of meta gimmicks, genre commentary, lots of existentialist angst over what it means to be a hero and the meaning of life and death. Hmm… I think you're half right, but the things is, at least with BL and otome, it's really a totally different market from regular VNs and they're really developed more out of the existing shoujo/BL romance manga genres than anything. People who play BL and otome don't play regular eroge and visa versa (while I'm sure there are some exceptions, in general terms this is how it is). Yuri in the VN sphere is a little weird in that, unlike traditional yuri manga it's pretty much always made for a male audience (and until more recently yuri just hasn't been that popular of a genre for male consumers in the anime/manga/eroge arena in general). While there are, again, exceptions and sub categories and the occasional game that defies classification, broadly speaking the visual novel market in Japan is split into two main categories based on target demographic: male-targeted and female-targeted games. The number of male-targeted VNs produced (in general and year-to-year) is easily an order of magnitude or two larger than the number of female-targeted games. Further, the audience who buys female-targeted games tends to have little experience with computers and video games (or at least this is a market assumption) so it tends toward very casual games, distributed on handhelds and cell phones vs. PC titles. Romance is a strong genre focus, because that's what the market wants and that's what sells (imagine of stupid moege sold 100x better than any other male-targeted VN genre and only 50 games were made every year, moe would probably come to dominate the market pretty quickly). Most consumers of otome want something pretty, with nice voice actors and romance. The 'differentiation' points tend to be more in terms of (non-porn) fetish gimmicks? Like, "they're pretty boys… who happen to be vampires!" Most people who play otome aren't looking for serious, sweeping epics, they just wanna date cute boys. There are a few exceptions, of course, but the prevailing trend is for vapid romance. With BL, it's an even tinier sub-genre of the female-targeted market. Last year, we saw about 10 new BL games released and that was considered an insane number (right now we're looking a like 5 this year). BL is a primarily 18+ PC market, so it assumes more consumer investment (i.e. that they tend to be more 'hardcore' players). I don't think you've played much BL if you think 'gayness' is any kind of actual focus of the genre. Most characters in BL aren't even gay (they just happen to bone dudes––this is an entire other issue though) and it's usually hardly mentioned beyond a few "b-b-but boys can't kiss other boys!" type throw away lines from the MC early on. Like otome, romance is a heavy focus in BL, but there's usually more of an attempt at story (usually all to make the romance more dramatic, but I think you could easily say that about a lot of male-targeted eroge too). I mean, go look at something like Sweet Pool: as ridiculous as the concept might be (the MC has some kind of menstruating demon spawn/alien parasite living in his rear end), I don't think you could really dismiss it as it's only 'unique' characteristic being that it has gay romance in it. While I think a lot of BL games are poorly realized or have stupid premises, they're generally at least as ambitious as your average eroge, if not slightly more (the straight eroge genre is so much bigger there's a much larger proportion of medoicre-to-garbage titles). Here, let me list some recent and upcoming otome and BL titles that aren't/don't look like vapid stupid poo poo: • Jooubachi no Oubou (R-18, otome): the first game just came out and I haven't gotten a copy yet, but the demos were pretty cool. It's a game in two halves about two sisters (who happen to be bee people) and the soon-to-be-vacant throne. Menou was raised in the comfort and luxury of the castle, while Kaguya fell off a cliff and was presumed dead and had to live through some really awful poo poo and there are conspiracies and shady poo poo going on. Wasn't really expecting these to have much story given that they were based on a series of porny drama CDs, but the demos were a pleasant surprise. • Sanzen Sekai Yuugi ~MultiUniverse Myself~ (R-18, otome): I've had this installed for a while, but the demo was pretty interesting. You play a bounty hunter and there's like some weird multiverse mechanic. Anyway, it actually has a plot that isn't just 'omg pretty boys!' • No, Thank You!!! (R-18, BL): I posted about this game a couple times in this thread. It's probably one of my all-time favorites and quite possibly the best BL game in general. Explaining the plot without spoiling the game is kind of complicated, but needless to say it's very good. I guess it's kind of a hardboiled… crime drama? Sorta? The game was crafted with a great deal of care (they released a book of production documents for it: it's over a hundred pages of stuff you basically never explicitly see or hear in the game, but it's all like, background stuff that they took the time to develop in detail because it informs the characters and the setting). • Ouka Otsu - Shinshuu Kikou Senki (R-18, BL, not out yet): Alt. history WW2 with super soldiers and poo poo. If you want PTSD war drama with dudes in skin tight suits instead of ladies in skin tight suits, this might be the game you've been hoping for. Not out yet (probably won't be for a while) so I obviously can't comment on the quality of the game itself, but the material they've released so far about it looks extremely interesting. There's definitely some other otome stuff worth looking at, but I mostly just follow PC releases because there aren't as many of them and the PSP/Vita titles tend to be really samey.
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Tried Shuffle, since it was on sale and there's another sequel game coming out later this month. I think it has the single most phoned-in set of conflicts I've ever seen in a VN. Say what you will about the "cute things->DEAAAAATH" style of a lot of the "crying games," at least they try to get you invested instead of  . And Shuffle was popular enough to get a bunch of sequel stuff? Markets are weird.Then again, Da Capo did the same thing (if marginally more competently) and Da Capo 2 was pretty great. I'm judging from Blhue's comments about Tick! Tack that this is not the same sort of situation. Good_Haro posted:*Otome games and markets* In all sincerity, I didn't know this and it's cool to read about. Thanks for sharing.
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dotalchemy posted:First, thanks to Artificer for helping me out last night with an impromptu VN-101 guide. You're very welcome! Feel free to PM me or jabber me if you just want to talk about the VN or give me your reactions or something. Bakanogami posted:If you're going in to Muv Luv totally blind you're in for a real treat. Stay the hell away from ANY kind of spoilers or info about the rest of the series, especially until you reach unlimited. Please make goodposts if you post reactions here though. 
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Good_Haro posted:There's definitely some other otome stuff worth looking at, but I mostly just follow PC releases because there aren't as many of them and the PSP/Vita titles tend to be really samey. I've told you before, but you should really check out Sweet Fuse. It was pretty cool.
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Einander posted:Tried Shuffle, since it was on sale and there's another sequel game coming out later this month. I felt the same way about Shuffle. It's just painfully by the numbers except for the dads (really how many visual novels have parents as on-screen characters at all, and the dads are actually pretty great) and the whole gods/devils thing. Except that's not even really used in an interesting way and really is just there for generic magic tragedy I guess, and long eared elfy waifus. Shuffle's also got one of the most egregious cases of "sameface syndrome" going on with the cast I've ever seen. I honestly have no idea why it seems to have a fanbase because as far as I can tell the only noteworthy thing about the franchise as a whole was Kaede going crazy and that's not even in the visual novels. Also thanks for the post on Otome/Yuri/BL games, that was interesting stuff.
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