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EN Bullshit
Apr 5, 2012
Some of us just know, man.

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teenytinymouse
Aug 3, 2005

I'm Shannon and I'm the biggest Idiot Ever!

If you want to wait then wait and find someone else who also wants to wait, just don't be a judgey weirdo about it. Same goes for not waiting, you judgey weirdos.

And you'll never know how bad at sex you are because your spouse will also be bad.

car dance
May 12, 2010

Ben is actually an escaped polar bear, posing as a human.

Unlikely because Polar Bears do not know how to speak.
Also it does not make any sense.
Sometimes two people can talk and communicate about their wants and needs and both grow and get better at sex but this involves knowing what the gently caress sex is and not being scared of god coming down and killing you because you licked your wife's butthole.

teenytinymouse
Aug 3, 2005

I'm Shannon and I'm the biggest Idiot Ever!

car dance posted:

Sometimes two people can talk and communicate about their wants and needs and both grow and get better at sex but this involves knowing what the gently caress sex is and not being scared of god coming down and killing you because you licked your wife's butthole.

You also shouldn't be scared of society ostracising you because you're not having sex.

So long as everyone is happy, even in mutual ignorance! And divorce is a thing if you end up with a bad sexer.

car dance
May 12, 2010

Ben is actually an escaped polar bear, posing as a human.

Unlikely because Polar Bears do not know how to speak.
Also it does not make any sense.
Most of the people who believe in waiting also don't believe in divorce. Then again a lot of them male and female don't believe in the female orgasm so they won't know what bad sex is. Oh well!

blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer

Synonamess Botch posted:

Literally no good reason to wait until marriage. I dare you to give me one.

I dated a girl who was a 25 year old virgin, who was waiting for marriage. Her rationale was "If I don't know any better, it will be the best sex I've ever had."

We actually broke up because she wouldn't eat pork.

unlimited shrimp
Aug 30, 2008

amarantinesky posted:

I'm guessing it's mostly self-defeating, or I'd call it self-sabotaging. If you're deeply afraid of intimacy, it's safer to obsess over a totally unattainable person then to actually put yourself out there and look for a partner that might actually reciprocate your interest. Or to just never put yourself out there because then you can never be rejected.
sup

ejstheman
Feb 11, 2004

Arch Stanton posted:

I think it's pretty normal to not kiss on the first date.

It probably depends on your social group.

Chairchucker
Nov 14, 2006

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022




Shannonmcn posted:

If you want to wait then wait and find someone else who also wants to wait, just don't be a judgey weirdo about it. Same goes for not waiting, you judgey weirdos.

Looking at this thread, I don't know how you'd come by the conclusion that those choosing to wait are the judgey weirdos.

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

Chairchucker posted:

Looking at this thread, I don't know how you'd come by the conclusion that those choosing to wait are the judgey weirdos.

Well, just going by what I remember reading there were three of us that voiced something on the matter:
I said I'm doing it so that when I gently caress up I'll still have a safety net region between me and the more dangerous/risky unprotected crap
You declined comment
And there was a girl that said her decisions was based on religious grounds, and consequently hosed her up. This one would probably count as being a judgey weirdo as she put her well being on the side for her beliefs on the subject at the time.

So yeah, it doesn't exactly support that all of us are judgey weirdos, but 1/3 of us fitting the bill is support for the stereotype.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

blarzgh posted:

I dated a girl who was a 25 year old virgin, who was waiting for marriage. Her rationale was "If I don't know any better, it will be the best sex I've ever had."

We actually broke up because she wouldn't eat pork.

I dated a girl who was 29 and waiting for marriage. We did everything else though. Strangely she broke up with me.

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People

blarzgh posted:

I dated a girl who was a 25 year old virgin, who was waiting for marriage. Her rationale was "If I don't know any better, it will be the best sex I've ever had."

This argument weirdly makes sense to me, but I'm still not so sure it's a good idea.

teenytinymouse
Aug 3, 2005

I'm Shannon and I'm the biggest Idiot Ever!

Chairchucker posted:

Looking at this thread, I don't know how you'd come by the conclusion that those choosing to wait are the judgey weirdos.

No one did that in the thread necessarily, but you have to admit religious virgins can be pretty judgey, in my IRL experience anyway. But I wasn't pointing to posters here specifically.

Synonamess Botch
Jun 5, 2006

dicks are for my cat
I may be judgey, but if you're waiting until marriage you're definitely a weirdo. Real talk tho, I'm not saying this stuff to be mean, I'm trying to help people who lack the experience to know they're making a mistake.

Extra Large Marge
Jan 21, 2004

Fun Shoe
Over the years I've been gifted two George Foreman grills, two sandwich presses, and a quesadilla maker.

cname
Jan 24, 2013

by Lowtax

Synonamess Botch posted:

I may be judgey, but if you're waiting until marriage you're definitely a weirdo. Real talk tho, I'm not saying this stuff to be mean, I'm trying to help people who lack the experience to know they're making a mistake.

Well put. It's not like "HA HA! Loser! Only lames wait for marriage!" but more like "No, seriously, if you wait for marriage, your marriage might end in a shouting match, in front of the neighbors."

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

Arian_Samurai posted:

Over the years I've been gifted two George Foreman grills, two sandwich presses, and a quesadilla maker.

I think the only advantage of the Foreman is that the fat drips out of the thing. Otherwise just get a cast iron pan like a real man.

ejstheman
Feb 11, 2004

Iron Crowned posted:

I think the only advantage of the Foreman is that the fat drips out of the thing. Otherwise just get a cast iron pan like a real man.

They also have automatic temperature regulation, unlike most stoves. Obviously cast iron is the pro way to go, but Foreman grills can be nice for non-cooks.

Jimbo Jaggins
Jul 19, 2013
Foreman grills are for bedsits and students.

Extra Large Marge
Jan 21, 2004

Fun Shoe
I read this book called "Jennifer Government" which was about a dystopian libertarian society, anyway this guy knocks out a potential murderer with a crumpet toaster, which is a toaster that is too small for bread and only for crumpets. when I look at the quesadilla maker I have I always think of this.

teenytinymouse
Aug 3, 2005

I'm Shannon and I'm the biggest Idiot Ever!

I love my foreman. Frees up a space on the stove and gets a nice crispy skin on chicken.

Commoners
Apr 25, 2007

Sometimes you reach a stalemate. Sometimes you get magic horses.
I'll gently caress all of you right now. Line up.

lidnsya
Nov 14, 2007
<img src="https://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-lidnsya.jpg"><br>All aboard the sleepy train!
An artist's depiction of the struggle to lose his virginity:

Spiffo
Nov 24, 2005

FoolyCharged posted:

Well, just going by what I remember reading there were three of us that voiced something on the matter:
I said I'm doing it so that when I gently caress up I'll still have a safety net region between me and the more dangerous/risky unprotected crap
You declined comment
And there was a girl that said her decisions was based on religious grounds, and consequently hosed her up. This one would probably count as being a judgey weirdo as she put her well being on the side for her beliefs on the subject at the time.

So yeah, it doesn't exactly support that all of us are judgey weirdos, but 1/3 of us fitting the bill is support for the stereotype.

If two people are in a monogamous relationship, I can't really think of any reason to wait until marriage other than the thought that sex before marriage makes one "less pure" or "tainted" or whatever gross thing society told them adulterers are. It's not a reach to assume they think/thought the same of other people too.

lidnsya posted:

An artist's depiction of the struggle to lose his virginity:


do not gently caress that

teenytinymouse
Aug 3, 2005

I'm Shannon and I'm the biggest Idiot Ever!

Spiffo posted:


do not gently caress that

Spoilsport.

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

lidnsya posted:

An artist's depiction of the struggle to lose his virginity:


I...
Why would you buy that when a toaster oven exists?
Like, at least with the sandwich press you can use it as a pair of hotplates, but that is literally just a hotdog toaster.
I mean, who has room on their counters for that kind of crap?

blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer

Spiffo posted:

If two people are in a monogamous relationship, I can't really think of any reason to wait until marriage

They will say, "We've waited this long, we can't think of a reason not to."

Cole
Nov 24, 2004

DUNSON'D

Dark Weasel posted:

Bunch of youngins' in here...

I'll be straight with you—I'm 46. Hold your applause. I remember being 37 when The 40-Year Old Virgin came out and thinking to myself in the theater, "...nah. Won't happen to me. Any day now." For awhile, I kept holding out for that day, but by now? I've basically given up.

It's kind of ok. I'm not depressed or anything—I just get, and am comfortable with, the knowledge that I'll never have sex. It's just a curiosity for me now. It's something other people do, which is fine! It's just an experience I won't have. To me, it's kind of like wondering what it'd be like to live in, say, Libya. I'm never going to do it. I'll die not doing it. I'm sure it's nice.

Besides, it's hard to meet people where I live. I'm a classic townie—graduated high school, lingered home for a few years, and next thing I know, I still live in the house I grew up in, which I inherited after my mom died. In a small, rural place like this (I live in Illinois) that most people just leave from young, so the dating pool is basically just high school girls and women in their fifties, usually married.

The closest I ever came, before I gave up, was four or five years ago, with my neighbor down the road. Like I said, this is the country, so while I can see her house from my yard, we're not exactly neighbors in the classic, shared picket fence sense. I remember late that summer starting to see her walking by every weekday afternoon (I'm unemployed, thanks to a lifelong non-visible physical disability.) I'd never seen her before, and over the course of a couple months, I found myself always, almost subconsciously, looking forward to seeing her walk by on her way from the school bus. One day I was sitting outside, on my little lawn chair, with a glass of lemonade, and she happened by, and we struck up a conversation. It was nice, and we ended up exchanging a few words every weekday from then on out. We got to know each other: she was a senior, new to town that year, a real military brat. She didn't like the town, but didn't mind too much either since she'd already been accepted to Cornell, and was even set up to move there come summer, so by April, I was starting to think to myself, y'know, now or never. So one hot Friday I invited her in for a drink, and she obliged. I was so excited. I just stood there in my kitchen, fingering the label of my beer, keeping real quiet, so, so nervous. By the time I finally spit it out, I'm sure she'd already puzzled out what I wanted to say. She didn't seem surprised. At least she let me down easy. We just stood there for an hour, talking it out and negotiating. In retrospect, it was a really great, intimate conversation, among the best I've ever had, and even though it didn't end in sex, I'll always remember fondly how she stuck around so long to talk it out, especially since I could tell she was a little uncomfortable for a lot of it. I stopped seeing her much after that, though we did reconnect as Facebook friends a couple of years after she moved.

So anyway, I've remained a virgin my whole life, and that's the closest I've ever got to crossing over! Not too close, right? Well, I guess you've got a point. But it was close enough for me. At least I tried, y'know? No harm, no foul.

Quoting this from the first page.

Because lmao.

Sardonik
Jul 1, 2005

if you like my dumb posts, you'll love my dumb youtube channel

Arian_Samurai posted:

I read this book called "Jennifer Government" which was about a dystopian libertarian society, anyway this guy knocks out a potential murderer with a crumpet toaster, which is a toaster that is too small for bread and only for crumpets. when I look at the quesadilla maker I have I always think of this.

Jennifer Government was a great book. It would probably make a great movie.

Don't take people to movies on your first date though guys.

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

Sardonik posted:

Jennifer Government was a great book. It would probably make a great movie.

Don't take people to movies on your first date though guys.

Why? I mean it's not like the activity promotes gently caress all interaction between the two of you...

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:thejoke:

FoolyCharged fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Feb 28, 2014

Spiffo
Nov 24, 2005

FoolyCharged posted:

Why? I mean it's not like the activity promotes gently caress all interaction between the two of you...

You answered your own question.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

FoolyCharged posted:

Why? I mean it's not like the activity promotes gently caress all interaction between the two of you...

Eh, movies aren't that bad if it's the first stop before dinner. You can salvage a bad dinner by talking about the movie.

Saint Twisty
Mar 12, 2012

Light is sown for the righteous, and gladness for the upright in heart.
That 48 virgin guy is cool as hell and I like him..

hate pants
Jul 17, 2012

FUCK PANTS 4 LYFE
This thread is very informative. Thanks to all the virgins and sandwich makers

Char
Jan 5, 2013
So, let's give other perspectives.

quote:

Why do you think you are a virgin? And how old are you?
First things first: 29, male, living in southern Europe.
I'm assuming a couple of reasons:
-I'm still afflicted by short frenulum and phimosis, and I noticed the difference between my dick and other boys' when I was too stupid to do anything, but I fed the thought I wasn't in condition of having sex. ("still" because I've already been under the knife once and it didn't work out)
-I went to an all boys high school. Well, not really an all boys, it was a tech institute, there were like 50 girls outta 1000 students. Didn't care anyway since I liked playing videogames and martial arts, they aren't girl-friendly activities now in 2014, they weren't back in the late 90s.
-I think I had a genuine assholish behaviour during college and I was kinda a nerd when it wasn't cool, so I didn't really attract crowds of girls. The handful of girls I had around weren't interesting.

quote:

Are your hobbies/activities/etc typically "nerdy"?
Let's see. Playing music, archery, martial arts, videogaming and I'm a sys admin in an university. I'd say they're quite nerdy, but the real issue is that there's no girls in these activities. It's a cultural thing, we southern europeans aren't that keen on seeing women doing whatever they please.

quote:

Have you ever had a girlfriend or almost "done the deed" or "sealed the deal" before? Why didn't you successfully have sex? What constitutes sex to you, for that matter?
I instinctively backed out twice, for the aforementioned reasons.
What constitutes sex? Well, apart from "penis into vagina"? Dunno.
I've always ran from situations where girls could've been interested in me because I didn't want to find myself in the possibiliy of having to stick my penis in a vagina. So, I've felt sexually attracted to some girls, but I never got close to them. I've never experienced a long lasting attraction to someone.

quote:

What are your overall attitudes towards women in your age range? Do you think it would be better if they were more traditionally feminine, etc?
Never gave thought to this. I think I'm pretty normal under that aspect. I might even look feminist to some. I never had any thought of mysoginy and I've got no problems making new female friends - as long as there's absolutely no chance of being naked in the same room. But I expect I'll have to go in therapy to fix wrong thoughts regarding how to handle intimacy, since I've never been that close with anyone in almost 30 years.

tl;dr - I should've been cut since I was newborn, I didn't understand what to do until recently. Never got bitter over it; I just got foreved scared of bleeding all over the place and feeling excruciating pain in the act that defines a male's manly virilty.

Back to the grilled cheese discussion now?

Char fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Feb 28, 2014

Aisha
Sep 25, 2009

I've heard of households where the boys have to do equal amounts of laundry/cooking/cleaning/babysitting etc. but I have never seen one in real life.
I know a woman (30 years old) who is actually a consecrated virgin, which is like an oath you take to be a virgin forever within the Catholic Church. She has a ring she wears to represent her marriage to Christ. For a while she was split between religious life (becoming a nun/sister) or just the state of consecrated virginity, and she's not at all very nerdy. Her hobbies tend to be more spiritual or athletic in nature. I could ask her about women's femininity (?) if you want.

Not the same woman but a local news source had an article about a woman consecrating her virginity:

http://www.jsonline.com/news/waukesha/29486939.html

cname posted:

Well put. It's not like "HA HA! Loser! Only lames wait for marriage!" but more like "No, seriously, if you wait for marriage, your marriage might end in a shouting match, in front of the neighbors."

It might end poorly either way, but I don't think the idea that "if you wait til marriage you will have a poor marriage" is an idea that has been well substantiated by actual studies, and in a few studies the opposite has been shown to be true:

http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/news/20101227/theres-benefits-in-delaying-sex-until-marriage

Of course correlation doesn't mean causation though so I wouldn't actually try to claim that a marriage is guaranteed to success just because you don't have sex beforehand either.

Arakan
May 10, 2008

After some persuasion, Fluttershy finally opens up, and Twilight's more than happy to oblige in doing her best performance as a nice, obedient wolf-puppy.
how can they rate sexual quality if their sample size is 1

Johnny Joestar
Oct 21, 2010

Don't shoot him?

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Arakan posted:

how can they rate sexual quality if their sample size is 1

When they shut their eyes and think of England they're taken to a magical place, the score is an attempt to rate that experience.

Aisha
Sep 25, 2009

I've heard of households where the boys have to do equal amounts of laundry/cooking/cleaning/babysitting etc. but I have never seen one in real life.

Arakan posted:

how can they rate sexual quality if their sample size is 1

Its just a matter of rating their own satisfaction with their spouse, not necessarily needing to compare said spouse to a sufficient sample size of ex-bfs or ex-gfs along the way.

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Sexgun Rasputin
May 5, 2013

by Ralp

(and can't post for 643 days!)

it's ok whatever people want to do if they want to gently caress now or whenever

but if you are a sexual person with a healthy sex drive whose mental health is improved by being sexually satisfied it is important to know that you are sexually compatible with a person before you engage in an ostensibly permanent sexual situation with them.

so what you're doing by waiting until marriage to bone is you're saying that sexual compatibility is irrelevant to a sexual relationship, which is frankly dumb as hell.

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