Dvsilverwing posted:

It bothers me when people say this, because past a certain distance you'll just get a dink. It's not always an OHK.


Edit: Also you say that as if it's hard to get 2 headshots or a headshot and a body hit or two with an SMG, with their fire rate that's just a single burst at the head area and it happens fast.

Not to say it's not a legitimate strategy, though, cause it totally is.

VoiceOfIntuition posted:

VeryGames popularized that round two eco strat a while ago. Basically you can p250 armor, which works well against an smg anti-eco because it'll take them like 3 bullets to the head to kill you and you 2 bullets to kill them. Also you can still fullbuy (kinda) on round 4 regardless of what happens. Of course now that everyone knows that this is coming anti ecos are going to be rifles (sometimes shotguns /autoshotguns???)

AK 2shot/3shot bursts can definitely be made consistent with some practice. 3 shot bursts are harder though so start out with 2 shot bursts for now.

Theresa Frontpage posted:

If you assume the other team is using the "you won the pistol round" strategy in that post it's an incredibly terrible idea. Honestly it's just such a great way to make SURE you're totally moneyfucked if you lose again. I'd never do this unless I knew I was playing against a much worse team.

DeusExMachinima posted:

What's the refire rate on the P250? I want to know how many MAC-10 or UMP bullets I'm filling you with in that window.

Xenaero posted:

This is a better 1.6 clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSuBWzqudKo

mcvey posted:

Someone should make a 'CS economy W5s of buying' flowchart.

Daeno posted:

Warning! Effort post approaches!

STARTING ROUNDS

Pistol round: Wide variety of builds here, some buy chest armour, some buy kits and grenades, others buy dualies or whatever their favourite pistol is. There's not really much of an advantage buying another pistol on the first round, some people are just more comfortable with other guns. There's certain situations where it helps, but as a new player I would just mix in a grenade or two, or get some chest armour. Getting used to using the starting pistol is an important skill toi have.

2nd round winning side: Usually winning side players buy whatever cheap mop-up gun they favour, so except to see SMG's and shotguns here. Lately some losing sides have been grabbing full armour and armour peircing pistols such as the P250 and the five-seven, so at higher skill levels you should mix in some cheap armour piercing AR(assault rifle) such as a galil or famas. Put one at each site.

2nd round losing side: Never buy nothing, always buy atleast a P250. A P250 can one-shot headshot a player will full armour at close range, same with a five-seven, but that is more expensive and only CT-side. Sometimes you should mix in full armour with your P250 buys, as this can catch a full-smg/shotgun team off-guard, severely money-loving them.

3rd round: There are more scenarios that can occur here, such as if the winning round 1 team lost round 2, etc etc, but usually the 3rd round is similar to round 2, in that the losing team of rounds 1 & 2 have to save again, so they can afford a full buy on round 4. Be careful though, if the Terrorist team planted the bomb in rounds 1 or 2, they can usually afford a full buy of AK + Armour, even if they lost both rounds.

NORMAL MID GAME & LATE GAME ROUNDS

NEVER BUY ANYTHING IN THESE ROUNDS WITHOUT LOOKING AT YOUR TEAM'S MONEY FIRST

Full Money buys: Typically you see 3 weapons, AK, M4/M4A1-S, and AWP. This is because the 2 main rifles have the best value for their cost for each side, as far as accuracy, shooting power, etc. And the AWP of course for it's one shot one kill power. Most other purchases are considered gimmicks, but some players really feel better with an AUG, or like to use an autosniper for example. The bad part about relying on vanity weapons is that they are more expensive, if you are spending another 500 or 1000$ on a rifle that you feel more in tune with, in the long game you'll have a round or two where you can't afford a rifle, because of that AUG or SIG(lol) purchase you made earlier in the game. This is why I always buy an AK or M4A1-S, simply the best bang for your buck, and you'll have more money in the future.

As for the AWP, since it costs almost double than a typical rifle, be mindful of your money when you purchase it, as powerful as it is, it could leave you broke next round, when your teammates are full buying and you have to get a pistol+armour just to keep up.

Half buys/Watch your team: Usually if one player on your team has a massive amount of money and other players are broke, he/she should be buying weapons for teammates, but when you can't buy out for all teammates, or if a couple teammates saved weapons from last round, you should communicate as a team and decide if some players should force buy a pistol + armour, or galil/famas + armour. Knowing when to do this is tricky, but becomes more clear with experience.

Eco Rounds:Rounds where almost all of you are broke. Similar to starting round 2, but usually you have more money to play with. If you are CT side, make sure atleast 1 player on each bombsite has bought a kit. Always Always Always atleast buy a P250. If you get the jump on someone with a P250, you should be able to kill them, thus earning you a free gun. Mix in some grenades if you can afford them and still full buy next round.

Grenades: Grenades are essential and you should be forcing yourself to buy them and use them, even if you are terrible with them, as you will get better with time. Just don't blind your teammates. Smoke grenades are amazing in CS:GO, especially compared to the smokes in source and 1.6. Two smoke grenades thrown by 2 players defending a bombsite can lock it down for most of the round. Similarly, smoke grenades thrown by attacking players can section off parts of bombsites, making them much much easier to take. For example, smoking off CT spawn when taking A site from Long A on dust 2 makes life much easier for T's, as you won't get sniped from there, and pushing the remaining players in A site is way easier.

Flash grenades are also must-buys, and knowing when/where to use them is somewhat of an art. There are many video guides on youtube on where best to use them, as well as other grenades, so I would look up those for references, watching better players use them on GO TV or spectating in a Goonman helps too. Force yourself to use them when taking sites, defending after the enemy has flashed, etc. You will get better.

As for HE, Decoy and Fire Grenades, they aren't as good. HE grenades are almost as good as Flash and Smoke, but their use is sometimes map dependant. Decoy grenades are cute, and distracting, but most good players won't be fooled. Molotov/Fire Grenades are pretty much a more expensive smoke grenade, locking down an area for a period of time.



Hope that helps a little with knowing what and when to purchase things. Communication is key, your money is not your own, treat it as a pool of team money and always buy atleast a P250.

Awesome Welles posted:

Cowabanga posted:

I have more wins than you do and I'm a silver elite master. What am I doing wrong? I never deranked or anything, I was just always stuck in silver.

Mimetic posted:

Not really. We don't know specifically what Valve's algorithm is, but Elo rating systems aren't exactly black magic.

Drinkfist posted:

http://youtu.be/eXoHE-JZlu0

Case closed.

EbolaIvory posted:

Best 1.6 clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqkYmVWdxVE

Jeoh posted:

Just buy a p90 every round. Even pistol round.

Jeoh posted:

Just buy a p90 every round. Even pistol round.

DeusExMachinima posted:

This reminds me: why does the MAC-10 rock so hard while the MP9... is the MP9?

MAC-10: Sick headshots, controllable, $1050
MP9: Inaccurate, always reloading, $1250

Cowabanga posted:

I have more wins than you do and I'm a silver elite master. What am I doing wrong? I never deranked or anything, I was just always stuck in silver.

Love Stole the Day posted:

If I were Valve and were looking for a way to measure skill in CS, I'd think reasons to raise/lower your MMR after a match are: Average DMG per Round, KDA, Total Cash, did you win or did you lose, et cetera.

All of this, btw, is accessible in the demo or while you're dead in the match by pressing that last weapon button to bring up the charts.

They do stuff like this in DotA and even gave away one of their magic tricks for measuring game balance a month or two ago iirc.

Hed posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO29-7RoF7g

if only blingedoutcars and HLSS could come to CS:GO

henne posted:

Had fun playing with the (silver?) goons last night as well as a fun goonman on cache involving way to many novas.

Drinkfist posted:

Why would you buy a gun for 1200 that isn't an UMP?

Both the MAC10 and the MP9 are only useful for demoralization strats.

Iriquois posted:

Did my first goonman today. Despite being terrible, never having played the map and having ping spikes of over 300 everyone was pretty patient with me. It was more fun than MM and radically different being on a team that talked.

On a separate note I did a few MM games after turning my sensitivity down, playing more cautiously to compensate for generally slower reactions. It made a huge difference to mid range accuracy and I am totally converted. Now i just need a huge mousepad.

Xenaero posted:

Those are some adorbs feetsies.

Cowabanga posted:

I have more wins than you do and I'm a silver elite master. What am I doing wrong? I never deranked or anything, I was just always stuck in silver.

NTT posted:

Welp I just learned that killing a bot so he won't feed the SSG he just bought to the counter terrorists counts as a tk and grants a 30 minute ban

Cowabanga posted:

I have more wins than you do and I'm a silver elite master. What am I doing wrong? I never deranked or anything, I was just always stuck in silver.

VoiceOfIntuition posted:

Oh and yesterday my triggerbot setting was a bit off and I did this: http://gfycat.com/KeenAdvancedIbis

sorry carl