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Exploding is a personality. But really, I think the lack of a personality was the entire point of Fefetasprite. Whenever Hussie talked about Nepeta he always mentioned how expendable she was (something like "the picture in the dictionary next to expendable is her, playing with a ball of yarn"), so the fact that she never talked was probably him just highlighting how you could have replaced all Nepeta's lines with that and it wouldn't have made a difference. Otherkinsey Scale fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Mar 3, 2014 |
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Eridan is funny at least. "YOU'RE KILLING ANGELS RIGHT NOW AREN'T YOU, rear end in a top hat?" "Uh, yeah?"
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Mar 3, 2014 00:57
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Carrasco posted:Exploding is a personality. So theoretically, combining Feferi and Nepeta into a single character should have resulted in a substantial character with plot relevance, but we instead got possibly the most hollow disposable character in the series 
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WAMPA_STOMPA posted:They kinda lost what they used to be. ARquius is funny, but it sorta killed the AR arc, and the Fefeta thing doesn't seem to really have a personality at all. Well yeah this is Homestuck. You either get to be a dropped plotline/have no pay off for your arc or you get to be a bland one note joke. The 2 exceptions to this are Karkat and Dave. Which is okay, because they were the best characters already.
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Mar 3, 2014 01:25
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All current outstanding plotlines are in a quantum superposition of dropped and not dropped, and will remain in that state until the posting of the finale collapses the waveform.
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Mar 3, 2014 01:32
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:You either get to be a dropped plotline/have no pay off for your arc Hussie has done this two times with Vriska already and I'm convinced he'll find a way to keep doing it over and over again until he reaches eight.
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Mar 3, 2014 01:34
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If nothing else Feferi served the purpose of preventing Vriska from blaming everything on her upbringing, since Feferi had just as many reasons to be awful as Vriska was but wasn't.
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It's not that I dislike Meenah, but... sometimes I feel like he should have, you know, developed Feferi instead of introducing Meenah to make up for it. I liked Feferi.
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Rand Brittain posted:If nothing else Feferi served the purpose of preventing Vriska from blaming everything on her upbringing, since Feferi had just as many reasons to be awful as Vriska was but wasn't. Except for the part where people did that anyway?
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Nepeta plays a key role in my latest fanfic "Troll My Heart 5" so please have some respect...
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I imagine everyone, even the less-than-important minor trolls, will get to play some small role in the finale and get some brief reference in the epilogue (if they survive). It's just a pity because when they were first introduced it seemed like they mattered a lot more, they got more screentime and the plot would return to their subplots and develop their characters every so often. Even Nepeta and Feferi got to do things. The problem's that Hivebent was one of Homestuck's peaks, and it made all twelve of the trolls seem like interesting characters charting their own developments and plots. Then Hivebent ended and there just plain wasn't room for most of them in the story any more. Killing them off was honestly for the best and quite effective when it first happened, but then everyone coming back as ghosts just exacerbates the problem until you get the self-aware Fefeta scenes that intentionally underline how pointless they've become. People point to Vriska's arc and how it had a decent ending with her death, and how her coming back has just made a mess of things, but at least she'll probably still get an overdue resolution at some point. The trail's gone cold on anything resembling a character arc for Nepeta, Feferi, Eridan and Equius, while Aradia, Sollux and Tavros are only marginally more relevant. Vriska will get salvaged, Gamzee's a decent villain and Kanaya, Terezi and Karkat have a shot at a satisfying ending but most of the trolls are going to go completely to waste.
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Dolash posted:I imagine everyone, even the less-than-important minor trolls, will get to play some small role in the finale and get some brief reference in the epilogue (if they survive). It's just a pity because when they were first introduced it seemed like they mattered a lot more, they got more screentime and the plot would return to their subplots and develop their characters every so often. Even Nepeta and Feferi got to do things. I doubt it, the whole point of Vriska's character is that she goes in circles. She learns the same lesson over and over again yet never grows or changes.
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Dolash posted:I imagine everyone, even the less-than-important minor trolls, will get to play some small role in the finale RIP AR, WQ, and WK. You showed up, said you had important things to do, then immediately died. Also RIP WV's purpose and plot trajectory, you were gonna be someone some day, kid. RIP The Parents and all the lessons and plot lines about the kid's realizing they weren't the people they thought they were. Rose will never learn that you were just some drunk tryin to do the best you could now, Mom.
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There's probably still a chance the guardians will get some plot closure through the beta kids meeting the alpha kids, but you're right - a lot of characters have been unceremoniously killed off and even more plot arcs have been derailed and forgotten. Since he's gone through the effort of bringing the trolls back as ghosts, though, unlike the other characters who've died, I'll bet they'll at least get to play some tiny role in the finale. It probably won't have anything to do with any semblance of a character arc that's since been abandoned, but it'll be in there.
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Hussie has said that Homestuck is basically a first draft, since he posted his work as he was drawing it. I think we can all agree it's a pretty good first draft, but it'S got some flaws.
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How the gently caress did I know that the second some one said "[non-Pisces zodiac sign] got the shittiest troll" that one of you Pisces folks was gonna bring up Feferi. Seriously. I don't believe in astrology even a little, but drat if Pisces don't all feel persecuted by this comic.
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Bringing up Feferi is a moot point because Hussie acknowledged how bad she was and gave us (speaking as a Pisces) Meenah and more of the Condense so it all worked out well!
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Didn't Vriska kinda get some resolution in the "Aranea ruins everything" plot that was the last thing posted? Talking with Meenah about how she can't believe this is how she actually looks like to other people?
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KoB posted:Taurus I was about to say this, then I remembered that Rufioh is kinda cool if pointless and then I also remembered that at least I'm not an Aquarius.
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A big flaming stink posted:Didn't Vriska kinda get some resolution in the "Aranea ruins everything" plot that was the last thing posted? Talking with Meenah about how she can't believe this is how she actually looks like to other people? Vriska's character arc's had so many false epiphanies and regressions that there's no telling if this is the time it finally "clicks" for her. We'll have to see how things shake out in the finale, although yeah if she's ever going to change then this is the time to do it.
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KoB posted:Taurus I'm the STRONGEST birth sign. That's right; I was conceived in February. 
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Capricorns have been screwed over as well, since Gamzee has been totally derailed since the end of Act 5. What was even the point of the page where Karkat pacifies Gamzee if he's right back to murderclown mode the next time we see him? He's spent all of Act 6 being that wacky clown who does macabre poo poo for no discernible reason, with next to no dialogue or meaningful development so the readers just have to blandly accept his antics. Oh, and he's invulnerable and will never show distress, or any emotion at all besides honks. We could get some explanation for his actions in the ending, but I'm not counting on it. Thank God I'm an Aries, is what I'm saying.
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Astrology is bullshit, astrological signs are bullshit squared (because of precession), and let's be honest, Homestuck is bullshit too. So claiming a "patron troll" of which to be proud or ashamed is like bullshit³. And I'm not saying that out of spite, because the troll associated to my sign is objectively the best troll. vvv Yep. Cat Mattress fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Mar 4, 2014 |
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Cat Mattress posted:Astrology is bullshit, astrological signs are bullshit squared (because of precession), and let's be honest, Homestuck is bullshit too. So claiming a "patron troll" of which to be proud or ashamed is like bullshit³. And I'm not saying that out of spite, because the troll associated to my sign is objectively the best troll. Cancer right?
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Dire Wombat posted:Capricorns have been screwed over as well, since Gamzee has been totally derailed since the end of Act 5. What was even the point of the page where Karkat pacifies Gamzee if he's right back to murderclown mode the next time we see him? He's spent all of Act 6 being that wacky clown who does macabre poo poo for no discernible reason, with next to no dialogue or meaningful development so the readers just have to blandly accept his antics. Oh, and he's invulnerable and will never show distress, or any emotion at all besides honks. We could get some explanation for his actions in the ending, but I'm not counting on it. Gamzee's entire character just got completely shredded, yeah. Original Gamzee was okay, Murder Gamzee was a decent twist, calm-but-still-really-sinister Gamzee (seen in the hidden part of the Afterlife Walkaround with Kurloz) was actually pretty interesting. But after that... he's just wherever without any kind of attempt at explanation. It's terrible.
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All the trolls are stupid and 90% of them are garbage. Half the remaining 10% showed up too late to actually matter. Karkat and Terezi or bust.  MonsieurChoc posted:Hussie has said that Homestuck is basically a first draft, since he posted his work as he was drawing it. I think we can all agree it's a pretty good first draft, but it'S got some flaws. It would be if this wasn't the finished project. Like as a rough first draft I'd say it desperately needed an editor to thump someone on the nose and tell them to trim like half the poo poo that happened and keep Hussie focused on delivering a solid plot with a solid Antagonist. As is it's a first draft that he never finished writing out an outline for that made it to print and it's kind of a bummer given how strong it started out. Dolash posted:Since he's gone through the effort of bringing the trolls back as ghosts, though, unlike the other characters who've died, I'll bet they'll at least get to play some tiny role in the finale. It probably won't have anything to do with any semblance of a character arc that's since been abandoned, but it'll be in there. Look, I just want to know what the hell was so important about the kids all playing a specific instrument and the game world being set up to be solved with those talents (John's world being a giant pipe organ he needed to clean out to talk to his Big Monster, Rose learning to 'PLay The Rain' which look suspiciously like the 4 strings of a violin, etc.) I know they're all part of the game which kind of broke down as a plot/setting around the start of chapter 5 but we're still referring back to it for plot points and stuff like the Denizens/whatever the big monsters were so it feels like a really terribly dropped ball. ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Mar 3, 2014 |
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The story has taken so many sudden turns in the past that I hesitate to call any ball dropped until we have seen it rolling pathetically out of sports bounds, with no point having been scored, in the ending. But then, I'm also optimistic enough to genuinely expect it to be out this year, so maybe I'm not the best authority on this matter.
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WilliamAnderson posted:Cancer right? Good catch.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:
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JT Jag posted:Us Aquarius types got the shittiest trolls Parsley posted:Good. -EDIT- My sign is Cancer, so I'm pretty happy with that. Who What Now fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Mar 4, 2014 |
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Mar 4, 2014 01:18
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I think Homestuck is actually poo poo, you guys.
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ANIME MONSTROSITY posted:I think Homestuck is actually poo poo, you guys. We definitely still haven't ruled that out.
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I think it's pretty good.
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ANIME MONSTROSITY posted:I think Homestuck is actually poo poo, you guys. Blackheart posted:I think it's pretty good. Perhaps the truth is somewhere.... In the middle?
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Who What Now posted:Perhaps the truth is somewhere.... In the middle?
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KoB posted:Taurus has an awesome patron troll. People who don't like Tavros are wrong and should feel bad You misspelled some things in your original post so I fixed them for you. http://www.welovefine.com/7736-dirk-hat-trucker-hat.html Why has no one posted a link to this yet?
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Blackheart posted:I think it's pretty good. I miss updates 
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:You misspelled some things in your original post so I fixed them for you. If there's one worthwhile thing to come out of Homestuck that I would unironically love to see transcend the fandom and become a real thing, it is that hat.
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Basically the perfect thing to have a picture of a hat on it, is a hat.
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