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Fojar38 posted:Stealth system. Harbinger is blind in the visible spectrum 
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Xander77 posted:The indoctrination theory chalks up a lot of pure incompetence to writer intent, but Shepard waking up amidst concrete ruins does seem... oddly intentional. But yeah, pretty much everything about that last sequence with the Catalyst was uncomfortably jarring and seemed to kick a lot of people into interpretation-overdrive, as opposed to more grounded scenes where we just accept what is being presented as fact. Shepard collapses on a random panel without accomplishing the mission, which just so happens to be the panel that floats up into a weird open-air Space Heaven without Shepard wearing a helmet, confronted by a ghostly figure that tries to convince you of something that contradicts everything prior to that moment. It was basically a checklist of "this can't be real" signals that are usually reserved for malicious hallucinations. And to jump back a bit in the discussion to the Reject ending; while I'd normally agree that it shouldn't be interpreted as an insult to the fans who brought up such a possibility, the fact that Bioware for some reason saw fit to tie that ending to shooting the Catalyst- something that was pretty ubiquitous throughout the ending dissection videos as a petty form of protest at the weird options presented... seems a bit mean-spirited, or at the very least, bitter. From memory, no other NPC in the entire trilogy reacts to gameplay like that, so I can't think of a reason for suddenly making an exception here. I guess you could make the argument that it's a way to pick that ending after breaking away from the conversation, but the same thing could be accomplished by letting the player go back into the dialogue tree and choose the dialogue path that already leads to it.  Fojar38 posted:Stealth system. And yet, they still magically detect you while scanning for planets, so... gently caress. So much for that explanation!
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Mar 4, 2014 09:55
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Generic American posted:And to jump back a bit in the discussion to the Reject ending; while I'd normally agree that it shouldn't be interpreted as an insult to the fans who brought up such a possibility, the fact that Bioware for some reason saw fit to tie that ending to shooting the Catalyst- something that was pretty ubiquitous throughout the ending dissection videos as a petty form of protest at the weird options presented... seems a bit mean-spirited, or at the very least, bitter. From memory, no other NPC in the entire trilogy reacts to gameplay like that, so I can't think of a reason for suddenly making an exception here. I guess you could make the argument that it's a way to pick that ending after breaking away from the conversation, but the same thing could be accomplished by letting the player go back into the dialogue tree and choose the dialogue path that already leads to it. I'm giving Bioware the benefit of doubt here and I'm pretty sure they didn't intend for it to be hostile at all, but it's really, really stupid how they did not see / were surprised that people might interpret it that way what with the mood of the fanbase at the time and with how it all plays out when you actually play through it.
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Mar 4, 2014 10:00
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Generic American posted:Man, I could literally ramble for hours about all the weird, vaguely-credible but ridiculous stuff that "pointed" toward the indoctrination theory- everything from the really reaching poo poo like "ONE OF THE CORPSES IN THE CITADEL TUNNEL IS MAJOR COATS" all the way to really blatant stuff like the final area inside the Citadel being visibly labeled with the same textures as human buildings. I bought into a lot of it, too, until it became pretty clear that all of it was purely a result of development shortcuts and an inconsistent vision that borders on schizophrenic in tone. Authorial intent doesn't matter.
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Mar 4, 2014 10:40
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The virtual fighting thing has all the ME2 people as teammates (I wonder if it could have had Thane and Mordin had they survived somehow). So Bioware had all that worked out but decided not to let you use them in the actual mission. Baaaaaaaah. Elite Reaper enemies are hella easy, while elite Cerberus just ruin my charging chains with a few shield swipes. Never had that much trouble with them in the actual game. "Shepard. Wrex? Shepard! Grunt? Shepard Shepard Shepard." Ashley's armor shifts randomly between two versions every few seconds. Dancing Vorcha on the vidcam. Hah. One day - someday - we might achieve and surpass Half Life 2 animation levels that don't make everyone look like plastic action figures. It's a distant dream. "It just smells like sweat! Why would you even ask that?!" Asset acquired - TEAM SPIRIT. "Sky was colored vid-cam tuned to a dead Vorcha." Hah. Aww. At the end of the day, a lot of love was put into this series.
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Mar 4, 2014 12:53
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Xander77 posted:In the extended ending Shepard (apparently) lives, even though Starchild told him he'd be destroyed. The IT really did point out a lot of weird stuff. Like this:  I mean, seriously. A modeller sat down and painstakingly created the Crucible area and included those 'wheels', on just one side, the same side as the Mako. It wasn't an accident. They come across as out-of-place. It really makes me wonder if indoctrination was in fact an old element of the ending that was removed at some point.
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Mar 4, 2014 13:33
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BreakAtmo posted:The IT really did point out a lot of weird stuff. Like this: Is there a link to where this stuff was posted? I would be interested in having a look through it.
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Mar 4, 2014 13:36
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Phrosphor posted:Is there a link to where this stuff was posted? I would be interested in having a look through it. It was in a bunch of places I saw way back when, this was just the result of sticking 'indoctrination theory mako' into GIS.
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Mar 4, 2014 13:38
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BreakAtmo posted:The IT really did point out a lot of weird stuff. Like this: Something along the lines of it was indeed considered, yes, but it never made it to the final version of the script: The Final Hours of Mass Effect 3 posted:And even in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard's movement and fall under full reaper control. (This sequence was dropped because the gameplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement alongside dialogue choices).
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Mar 4, 2014 13:43
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Fag Boy Jim posted:I mean, at the risk of this being a "Why don't you make a better game?" thing, how would you have put him in the story in a more central fashion? Like, to me, it honestly felt like it'd mess with their image of being this huge swarm cleansing the galaxy of developed life. (Besides, you already have TIM, a villain set up in the second game that's much more qualified to monologue at you.) Shepard says "assuming direct control of our destiny" or something like that as he/she fires the final shot into Harbinger's core 
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Mar 4, 2014 14:40
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epenthesis posted:I'd been waiting for this idea to be raised: A straight remaster, not really but yeah cut/bonus content, fixes for long standing bugs (sup, Conrad), and if they re-worked ME and ME2 - which of course they won't because it's too much work for a quick cash-in - so that the actual gameplay mechanics and upgrade/loot systems from ME3 were incorporated into them, then sure, I'd be all over that poo poo. All I'd keep from ME in terms of mechanics is stupidly overpowered singularities sucking up anything not nailed down within 20 years - I can't be the only one who loved-loved-LOVED using that poo poo in the office on Noveria and seeing the mercs get katamari-d with crates of chairs into a beautiful gravitastic whirl of chaos, surely?
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Mar 4, 2014 16:14
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Sentinel Red posted:A straight remaster, not really but yeah cut/bonus content, fixes for long standing bugs (sup, Conrad), and if they re-worked ME and ME2 - which of course they won't because it's too much work for a quick cash-in - so that the actual gameplay mechanics and upgrade/loot systems from ME3 were incorporated into them, then sure, I'd be all over that poo poo. All I'd keep from ME in terms of mechanics is stupidly overpowered singularities sucking up anything not nailed down within 20 years - I can't be the only one who loved-loved-LOVED using that poo poo in the office on Noveria and seeing the mercs get katamari-d with crates of chairs into a beautiful gravitastic whirl of chaos, surely? This is what makes me most sad about the gameplay in 2 and 3. Biotics just feel so anemic. When I play an adept in ME1, I am making GBS threads out singularities all the time. In ME2, I don't play an adept and in ME3, it's all about priming explosions all day, err day, which while fun, just doesn't feel as awesome as throwing around stupidly powerful biotics in ME1.
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Mar 4, 2014 18:00
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Utritum posted:Something along the lines of it was indeed considered, yes, but it never made it to the final version of the script: That sounds dumb as poo poo. Then again the whole synthesis story and how hard they pushed it was dumb as poo poo as well.
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Mar 4, 2014 23:05
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Decided to play the multiplayer for a bit. The Bioware DLC download doesn't work with firefox (brute forced it by getting the link in IE, then pasting into firefox, mostly because I couldn't be bothered to find my password and put it into IE) Origin verifies my files and tells me that I don't need an update. I hit "play" and it stops me - there's a 1.5 gig update cued. Brilliant. Origin is also almost impossible to reconnect without a shutdown if your internet connection skips a beat. Anyways... how is a Vanguard supposed to deal with shield Guardians / Atlas mechs in multiplayer? I remember those were an issue in the Citadel arena.
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Mar 4, 2014 23:48
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hide behind cover and wet your pants while your teammates deal with it
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Mar 4, 2014 23:52
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I never liked the indoctrination theory because for all the complaints about the original ending not bringing any real closure the indoctrination theory would've been even worse in that regard while remaining equally pretentious.
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Mar 4, 2014 23:58
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Xander77 posted:The Bioware DLC download doesn't work with firefox (brute forced it by getting the link in IE, then pasting into firefox, mostly because I couldn't be bothered to find my password and put it into IE) You shouldn't ever need to download anything ME3-related outside of Origin 
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Mar 4, 2014 23:59
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Burning Mustache posted:You shouldn't ever need to download anything ME3-related outside of Origin JawKnee posted:hide behind cover and wet your pants while your teammates deal with it
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Mar 5, 2014 00:12
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Xander77 posted:Free multiplayer DLC. The ingame and origin links direct you to the Bioware social network page. Huh, that must be a recent change then. I've always been able to install those directly from within Origin. That was actually the one single good thing about that piece of garbage, not having to deal with the convoluted mess that was the BSN for DLC anymore (seriously that system was a loving nightmare for ME2) but alas ...
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Mar 5, 2014 00:14
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In multiplayer the enemies will wreck your poo poo if you are exposed for more than a few seconds. Multiplayer vanguards are really annoying because they keep ping ponging around blocking your shots, stealing your kills, getting separated from the group and dying or trying to melee a Banshee and dying.
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Fojar38 posted:In multiplayer the enemies will wreck your poo poo if you are exposed for more than a few seconds. Depends on the vanguard, BatVan can be played in a fairly measured, tactical way for instance.
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Mar 5, 2014 00:30
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Xander77 posted:Free multiplayer DLC. The ingame and origin links direct you to the Bioware social network page. Out of pure curiosity, could you be more specific on what you downloaded? Last time I played it before uninstalling you could download all the multiplayer expansions directly through Origin. As bad as EA can be I find it really hard to believe they want back to downloading essential expansions through the terrible BSN.
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Mar 5, 2014 00:45
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I recently reinstalled ME3 on my new computer and Origin correctly downloaded all of the DLC (including the free multiplayer DLC) I had before.
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Kibayasu posted:Out of pure curiosity, could you be more specific on what you downloaded? Last time I played it before uninstalling you could download all the multiplayer expansions directly through Origin. As bad as EA can be I find it really hard to believe they want back to downloading essential expansions through the terrible BSN. Huh. I may have been thinking about the ME2 DLC, which I downloaded just a short while ago (and which does in fact direct you to the Bioware network). My mistake then. Xander77 fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Mar 5, 2014 |
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Xander77 posted:Anyways... how is a Vanguard supposed to deal with shield Guardians / Atlas mechs in multiplayer? I remember those were an issue in the Citadel arena. Grab a Piercing mod. Your gun doesn't matter all that much as a Vanguard, so something even as puny as a Phalanx can do you justice versus Guardians and gives you something to do on Escort objectives. If you're using a SMG/Pistol, you'll also want the Power Generator mod to boost your biotics. We also have a still pretty active multiplayer thread, if you wanna try out Gold with a couple of goons to carry you. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3499990
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Bogart posted:Grab a Piercing mod. Your gun doesn't matter all that much as a Vanguard, so something even as puny as a Phalanx can do you justice versus Guardians and gives you something to do on Escort objectives. If you're using a SMG/Pistol, you'll also want the Power Generator mod to boost your biotics. We also have a still pretty active multiplayer thread, if you wanna try out Gold with a couple of goons to carry you. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3499990 
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SubponticatePoster posted:This, or just mailslot the fuckers Also, if you're a novaguard and have shockwave, use shockwave. It'll force the shield up for a few of seconds for an unobstructed view of his face. For vanguards in general, just charging a guardian will force the shield away for a bit and you can shoot him right in the face.
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It's worth noting that the best class to get a handle on MP is probably Human Engineer, but the MP thread probably has much more advice.
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Fag Boy Jim posted:It's worth noting that the best class to get a handle on MP is probably Human Engineer, but the MP thread probably has much more advice. But yeah, check the MP thread as there's still a thriving PC community to help you get through games.
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my favorite build has always been a Krogan Sentinel, focus on melee and just dash around the level power headbutting everything
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I think Miranda's dad magically killed her somehow. The wiki claims he shoots her if Miranda kills him after you let him go, but I didn't see anything of the sort. I guess I'm supposed to kill him? It seems stupid that the only way to get Miranda to survive is to fail the diplomacy check. Okay, that time I just...shot Oriana, and then Miranda magically died. Again. I must have not given her alliance resources, I guess. I've spread playing this game out way too far and I can barely remember what I did earlier on. edit: I forgot to meet with her! Luckily I hoard saves, so Miranda gets to live. I couldn't think of why I'd deny Miranda resources. Elysiume fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Mar 5, 2014 |
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I thought it was the fight with Kai Leng that was supposed to have killed Miranda- she gets banged up either way, but if she doesn't get the intel, she bleeds out after the Oriana scene (though there indeed might be a failed-diplomacy scene with her Dad that I haven't seen).
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Fag Boy Jim posted:I thought it was the fight with Kai Leng that was supposed to have killed Miranda- she gets banged up either way, but if she doesn't get the intel, she bleeds out after the Oriana scene (though there indeed might be a failed-diplomacy scene with her Dad that I haven't seen). edit: If it turns out that somehow failed to send her the dossier on Kai Leng, I'm going to be irritated. I think I did, though. Elysiume fucked around with this message at 05:27 on Mar 5, 2014 |
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Elysiume posted:I was going off of the wiki (which says her dad shoots her), and it turns out I just forgot I was supposed to meet with Miranda. I've been playing ME3 on and off for probably over a year now, and it must have just fallen through the cracks. It definitely did look like she just died from accumulated damage, in spite of what the wiki said. And when I say "damage," I mean she was limping a lot and had scratches on her face. The first time I played ME3 she died. When I just played through recently I inadvertently did everything that was required to make her live, which includes warning her about Kai Leng in the Spectre center and then meeting her in one of the back rooms on the Presidium Commons. She still had scratches on her face but survives I guess.
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Black_Plague22 posted:The first time I played ME3 she died. When I just played through recently I inadvertently did everything that was required to make her live, which includes warning her about Kai Leng in the Spectre center and then meeting her in one of the back rooms on the Presidium Commons. She still had scratches on her face but survives I guess. Is there any reason not to hit the Cerberus base if I have no outstanding quests? I have the Citadel quest, but I'm saving that for post-endgame. Are there any sneaky quests that I should root out before I commit to the attack? Also, I'd better be able to kill Kai Leng.
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The Cerberus Base attack is the game's point-of-no-return (after the game ends, this is the point where you get dumped if you want to play on and do, say, Citadel). So, yeah, no reason to wait.
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Mar 5, 2014 07:45
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This tiny fucker again!   Ugh, I have to take EDI. Garrus (or Liara) should be here, killing Cerberus like the good old days.  So did destroying the collector base have no effect on the game?  
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Elysiume posted:
About taking EDI, yeah, I wish you didn't have to. But you do get some back story about her along the way. As to the Collector Base, war assets, brah.
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So is there any chance of DLC going on sale? I picked up the mass effect trilogy (PS3) on sale nearly a year ago but have been so busy I haven't had a chance to start up Mass Effect 1. And apparently if I become a fan I'll have to shell out nearly $60 for all the missing DLC (mainly ME3 stuff and Arrival, I think). Why in the holy hell isn't there a cheaper bundle option somewhere?
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Narcissus1916 posted:So is there any chance of DLC going on sale? Speaking from empirical evidence, nope. Narcissus1916 posted:Why in the holy hell isn't there a cheaper bundle option somewhere? Because Bioware / EA doesn't believe in DLC sales apparently.
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