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Torrannor posted:Habsburgs in Switzerland? Well, technically yes, but they never ruled over the Swiss Confederacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habsburg_Castle  Switzerland is where the Habsburgs started.
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PittTheElder posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habsburg_Castle
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PittTheElder posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habsburg_Castle That's why I said "technically yes". But the modern Swiss society grew out of a state that was never ruled by the Habsburgs, and was deliberately anti-monarchy. In contrast to Habsburg Austria or Hohenzollern Prussia/Germany. Plus, while it is situated in modern Switzerland, it is about 10 km from the German border and did not become part of the Swiss Confederacy until more than 100 years after their founding. And even at the time of the Rütlischwur, the Habsburgs already ruled from Vienna and not Habsburg Castle. So the connection is very tenuous at best.
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I'd really want to see this map expanded a bit eastwards to include the Caucasus and Middle East countries. Also I want to know what the actual criteria of "right wing party" in this map are. Some of these parties are significantly more extremist than others.
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Mar 4, 2014 10:12
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A Meat posted:I'd really want to see this map expanded a bit eastwards to include the Caucasus and Middle East countries. Also I want to know what the actual criteria of "right wing party" in this map are. Some of these parties are significantly more extremist than others. Yeah, the Croatian Party of Rights is pretty milquetoast nowadays. Just a regular, eurosceptical, conservative party. No marching at night with torches and stuff anymore. There are, however, much uglier options on the right, but none of them can pass the threshold and gain a seat in the Parliament.
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Mar 4, 2014 10:54
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Not to keen on those groupings. Making everything that just crossed 15% look equally dark as 30% is kind of misleading. But yeah, the left has really lost its foothold 
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Mar 4, 2014 11:14
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After the next elections in Denmark its gonna be more like 20%
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Mar 4, 2014 11:21
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Buller posted:After the next elections in Denmark its gonna be more like 20%  Voter support changes between the elections of September 15th 2011, and polls on February 27th 2014. V is the liberal party, DF Danish People's Party, the rose the Social Democrats, and Ø the Unity List. (Various Socialists)
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Mar 4, 2014 11:43
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A Meat posted:Also I want to know what the actual criteria of "right wing party" in this map are. Some of these parties are significantly more extremist than others. Yeah, I wont dispute that the PVV is certainly a right wing party and on certain points they really are extremist. But the "real" right wing parties (NVU for instance) don't like them because of Wilders love for Israel. The Peoples Party for Democracy and Freedom (VVD) that dumped Wilders (  ) for being too extreme has been saying a lot of the same poo poo to get their first prime-minister in the history of the party.Currently even Labour has been saying poo poo that got the PVV notorious at first.
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There was a survey done by a Norwegian newspaper that asked politicians in Norway who they wanted to win the 2012 presidential election in America. The far right politicians in Fremskritspartiet was more likely to support Obama then Romney. The US ambassador to Norway apparently thinks Fremskrittspartiet would fit in the Democratic Party: http://www.google.com/translate?hl=...%23.UxXZgs7y1P8
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Shouldn't the UK be a lighter shade than that (har har)? At 1.9 is should be the second shade from the left. Also haha at Switzerland, new capital of rich white scum. Who would have thought it. Regarde Aduck fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Mar 4, 2014 |
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Mar 4, 2014 15:43
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ulvir posted:Not to keen on those groupings. Making everything that just crossed 15% look equally dark as 30% is kind of misleading. But the left is practically the rest of the voting block??
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Riso posted:But the left is practically the rest of the voting block?? There's are a lot of parties that lie between far-right and left-wing, ya know.
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HighClassSwankyTime posted:There's are a lot of parties that lie between far-right and left-wing, ya know. There's a varying definition of far-right on that map.
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Mar 4, 2014 16:05
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Riso posted:But the left is practically the rest of the voting block?? I wouldn't exactly call parties like the CDU/CSU, the Tories or the French UMP "the left", dude.
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System Metternich posted:I wouldn't exactly call parties like the CDU/CSU, the Tories or the French UMP "the left", dude. You got to understand that Riso thinks that the FPÖ is a fine example of modern democracy and human rights of white people to defend themselves against the unwashed masses of the south
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Regarde Aduck posted:Shouldn't the UK be a lighter shade than that (har har)? At 1.9 is should be the second shade from the left. Also haha at Switzerland, new capital of rich white scum. Who would have thought it. I was thinking they may have originally included UKIP as a far-right party, which would put it at exactly 5%, but then changed their minds.
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Hardly any non-social democratic parties around in Europe. Even ye evil FPÖ is basically social democratic. Never mind pretty all other so called left parties are hating on Israel because anti-Zionism. But that's not really the proper thread for that.
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Riso posted:Hardly any non-social democratic parties around in Europe. Even ye evil FPÖ is basically social democratic. Never mind pretty all other so called left parties are hating on Israel because anti-Zionism. But that's not really the proper thread for that. Do tell
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Riso is an old-school reactionary with a singular vision of the world.
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Sampatrick posted:Do tell Don't
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Riso posted:But the left is practically the rest of the voting block?? In Norway, The Progress Party is part of the government together with The Conservatives (our 2nd largest political party). I believe the situation is similar in Sweden and many other countries as well. A voting-block is all well and good, but won't count for poo poo unless the parties get elected to govern. Besides, everything from centre-right and onwards is technically in an opposition now (though the social liberals and christian "democratic" party has vowed to cooperate with the ruling parties). And if you group all of the socialist and communist parties into one, their combined % would still amount to less than 7% of all the votes. Maybe 9% if you consider the Greens part of that block. edit: There's also a whole bunch of fringe parties on the extreme right that may or may not have gotten any votes, as well as weird niche one-note parties like the pensioners' party or coastal party in the mix. The landscape really isn't so simple as "not Progress Party = left" ulvir fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Mar 4, 2014 |
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John Charity Spring posted:Riso is an old-school reactionary with a singular vision of the world.  quote:And if you group all of the socialist and communist parties into one, their combined % would still amount to less than 7% of all the votes. Maybe 9% if you consider the Greens part of that block. Yes please, do exclude the social democrats to make it seem that bad.
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They may be social democrats in name, but the Labour Party's politics over the recent years has swayed more and more towards centre. But I won't deny that they're still the largest party. e: but they still aren't a socialist party, and haven't been one since the 70s.
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ulvir posted:In Norway, The Progress Party is part of the government together with The Conservatives (our 2nd largest political party). I believe the situation is similar in Sweden and many other countries as well. A voting-block is all well and good, but won't count for poo poo unless the parties get elected to govern. Besides, everything from centre-right to centre-left is technically in an opposition now (though the social liberals and christian "democratic" party has vowed to cooperate with the ruling parties). Looking at the UK, Labour and the Tories are obviously also both pro-dismantling of the welfare state, and the general European approach to the Euro crisis does nothing to dissuade me from the notion that this is the case in most/all of Europe as well. *Third Way or not, depending on the person. Riso posted:Yes please, do exclude the social democrats to make it seem that bad.
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The French Socialist Party isn't dismantling capitalism either. e: The difference between European and American parties appears to be that American parties use words "wrongly" (e.g., the usage of "liberal" to mean left) whereas European parties use the "right" words but not in the right way.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:No social democratic party in Europe to my knowledge has as the ultimate goal the abolition of capitalism, which is like the central plank of socialism. That's ignoring the fact that social democratic parties have basically adopted liberalism wholesale since the 90's. That's because the alternatives have shown themselves to be even more disastrous. vv Eat poo poo. Also label that as the siege of Alesia. Or something. Riso fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Mar 4, 2014 |
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Riso, have your lovely derail how socialists and turks pissed into your cornflakes in another thread
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computer parts posted:The French Socialist Party isn't dismantling capitalism either. I think it's just an ango thing, because Canada does the same thing. Britain as well to a lesser extent. Didn't Labour grow out of more leftist Liberal voters?
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Mar 4, 2014 18:43
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Riso posted:That's because the alternatives have shown themselves to be even more disastrous.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:So you don't contest that the former center-left social-democrats have become center-right liberals, skewing the balance heavily in favor of the right? Thank you for conceding. Not trying to overthrow capitalism does not mean jettisoning their support for workers, caring about the wealth gap etc etc. VV in the UK maybe Riso fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Mar 4, 2014 |
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Riso posted:Not trying to overthrow capitalism does not mean jettisoning their support for workers, caring about the wealth gap etc etc.
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Riso posted:VV in the UK maybe To bring this thread back on track, here's a map of the Pangean super continent, marked with the names of current states/named places. 
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Mar 4, 2014 18:52
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Maps of Pangaea always remind me of this:
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the jizz taxi posted:Maps of Pangaea always remind me of this: I love that game way more than I should.
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Riso posted:Also label that as the siege of Alesia. Or something. I'm clearly missing a joke here, but that's obviously not Alesia. It has loving cannons in it, and the city has Christian churches it (because it's Vienna).
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Mar 4, 2014 19:22
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ulvir posted:No, pretty much in any place where a former social-democratic party decides it's time to go liberalist in order to win votes.   :mauritania:
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the jizz taxi posted:Maps of Pangaea always remind me of this: What game is that?
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pig slut lisa posted:
Pangea is a Muslim plot to invade the USA 
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Kurtofan posted:Pangea is a Muslim plot to invade the USA AND REINSTATE SLAVERY! 
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