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Fried Chicken posted:Whoops posted before seeing, how do I get rid of prior posts on the awful app? The "to be continued" here makes me feel like this'll become a two (or three?) chapter buildup to the Jeanne confrontation, which is out of the ordinary for this comic where the subject usually changed by chapter. (Spring Heeled being the exception.) It does feel kind of slow and sidetracked right now, since I don't know how guiding Mort will relate. But who knows who Mort was.
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Fried Chicken posted:Whoops posted before seeing, how do I get rid of prior posts on the awful app? Just ignore it and move on.
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Mar 4, 2014 22:45
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Splicer posted:From my highly unscientific analysis, it seems to generally be the chapter after said reader catches up on the comic or the chapter after that. I've been reading Gunnerkrigg Court since Annie was football-headed, and I haven't noticed any slowdown. Rei_ posted:One of the major problems is that the lady in the river has been set up as like almost endgame at this point, which is like where do you escalate to after that? Though there's still a lot of non-Jeanne mysteries to look at. Cease to Hope posted:Awful.app doesn't support post editing.
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Mar 4, 2014 22:51
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Awful.apk definitely supports post editing. This whole business with Mort feels like Tom is trying to explain the mythology in regards to ghosts and psychopomps. Annie doesn't really have a pervue like the other guides we've seen and I'm looking forward to not only maybe some info on Mort's life/death, but on why he wasn't sent to the Ether before and what's going to happen to him now.
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Mar 4, 2014 23:03
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Your avatar just reminds me, what was the payoff to Hettie? I actually don't really remember that chapter. Isn't it that if you break your contract you die?
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Mar 4, 2014 23:05
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Pick posted:Your avatar just reminds me, what was the payoff to Hettie? I actually don't really remember that chapter. Isn't it that if you break your contract you die? It's that if you're an unrepentant child-murdering rear end in a top hat Reynard sets you on fire and devours your disembodied soul 
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Mar 4, 2014 23:07
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Pick posted:Your avatar just reminds me, what was the payoff to Hettie? I actually don't really remember that chapter. Isn't it that if you break your contract you die? The Hettie story had a really terrible payoff and the chapter was not very well written or plotted when all was said and done.
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Mar 4, 2014 23:11
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A few things we've got to deal with, apart from Jeanne, off the top of my head: * What is Gunnerkrigg Court's true purpose? (For Man to become God, okay, but?) * What is Coyote's long-term plan with Ysengrin, the Court, and Reynard (assuming he even has one)? * What will be the eventual fate of those three characters? * What is the Headmaster's plan and why did it require Smitty to become the medium? * What, in general, is the deal with Anthony? * What is going on with Kat as the Robot Angel? * Why is Jones the way she is?
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Mar 4, 2014 23:16
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VanSandman posted:Jeanne seems like the midpoint to me. The big accomplishment before things really get weird and large questions are raised for our protagonists. So, Jeanne is the Lordgenome to Gunnerkrigg's Anti-spirals? 
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Mar 4, 2014 23:21
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Let me explain a bit more. The chapter starts off with us being introduced to Hettie as a friend of Reynard's, but as things go on it turns out that he has really no idea before of anything about her, things she doesn't exactly keep quiet about. In the end, she's a zero-depth character created only to be destroyed to show that Reynard is regretful for what he attempted to do to Annie in a very clumsy fashion.
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Mar 4, 2014 23:22
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I thought it was pretty good, personally. Answered some fairly significant questions pretty quickly, showed us a little more of he world(what other spirt-inhabited things can be like), etc. I'm fine with a character just being a means to an end in that regard.
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Mar 4, 2014 23:26
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Yeah, at the time I compared her to Alistair, who served a similar purpose and vanished from the comic after one chapter. Hettie didn't really have enough juice in her for more than one story.
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Mar 4, 2014 23:34
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Not So Fast posted:I think he gets more money directly selling it through Topocato than from Amazon or other places, so if you do want the books I'd get them from there, unless you're lucky enough to see him at a con. Does he keep the money he makes from book sales at cons? I seem to recall something about his publisher pocketing a lot of it. (This was a couple of years ago and the details are very vague in my mind, so I could be totally off the mark.)
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Mar 4, 2014 23:42
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The court is trying to make itself god like coyote said. That sounds like an interesting thing to investigate. Also this is a secret desire of mine but I want gunnerkrigg to end in a completely catastrophic apocalyptic way where everyone dies.
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Mar 4, 2014 23:46
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Hettie was still cool and I'm still happy with my avatar, however minor a character she may have been.
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Potsticker posted:Let me explain a bit more. The chapter starts off with us being introduced to Hettie as a friend of Reynard's, but as things go on it turns out that he has really no idea before of anything about her, things she doesn't exactly keep quiet about. In the end, she's a zero-depth character created only to be destroyed to show that Reynard is regretful for what he attempted to do to Annie in a very clumsy fashion. Hettie's chapter wasn't about Hettie. The amount of characterisation that went into her despite this says a lot about this comic. Cat Mattress posted:I've been reading Gunnerkrigg Court since Annie was football-headed, and I haven't noticed any slowdown.
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Mar 4, 2014 23:56
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It's not that Hettie had a minor role guys, it's the nature of her relationship with Renard doesn't make sense given how they interact at the beginning with the reveal at the end. This thread was filled with confused reactions and mental gymnastics trying to figure it out.
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Mar 5, 2014 00:03
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DaveWoo posted:Speaking as someone who's been reading this comic "live" for years now, I'd say this latest chapter has felt particularly... aimless, for lack of a better word. I just feel like we really didn't get all that much in terms or either plot or character development. An "aimless" chapter dedicated to exploring the comic's universe is fine, but confining the cast - for weeks - in a tiny, featureless, purple/green gradient room where they stand around and talk and occasionally point fingers was a terrible idea, especially when it's hinted that something grandiose and awe-inspiring hides behind it. This is a visual medium above all; if you're set on doing things this way (Annie and Mort see one thing, Kat another) then invert the scenario: show us amazing landscapes with incomprehensible architecture and maddening creatures roaming about. Have Annie and Mort appropriately humbled and revering while Kat keeps her nonchalant schtick: instantly figuring the whole place out, storming from one demonic Escher-esque room to another until she reaches a skull throne floating in a starless sky, sits down, yawns, and easily manipulates an ungodly necro-device to summon Jeanne's victims' souls from the Eye of Jupiter. Or something. Ultimately you should be able to look back on your work and be proud of it. Respect yourself and your readers. No crappy rooms with posed mannequins; each page should stand a goddamn piece of art. If the workload is too much to bear, cut the chapter in half. Even less if necessary. Quality above quantity is always relevant and all the more so in this godforsaken medium. Bonus page is Annie and Mort in a tiny, featureless room. Quaking in their boots, they bow to a crummy teenager in a crummy costume.
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Potsticker posted:It's not that Hettie had a minor role guys, it's the nature of her relationship with Renard doesn't make sense given how they interact at the beginning with the reveal at the end. This thread was filled with confused reactions and mental gymnastics trying to figure it out. It looked a lot to me like they'd only met once before and got along because of their similar situations.
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Mar 5, 2014 00:10
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While we're kinda sorta on the subject of Hettie, I won't argue that she's a minor, not very well developed character, but I think that chapter did serve a good purpose of showing Reynard showing something resembling remorse and trying to reconcile with Eglamore. I can kind of agree that it seems weird that he's hanging around with her, but seeing his kind of flat replies to Annie at the beginning and how he's acting distant or distracted from a number of interactions in that chapter, I think he might have just been lonely. She might have just been someone to talk to, and it seemed like she didn't display her full crazy right away.
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Rei_ posted:One of the major problems is that the lady in the river has been set up as like almost endgame at this point, which is like where do you escalate to after that?
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seravid posted:An "aimless" chapter dedicated to exploring the comic's universe is fine, but confining the cast - for weeks - in a tiny, featureless, purple/green gradient room where they stand around and talk and occasionally point fingers was a terrible idea, especially when it's hinted that something grandiose and awe-inspiring hides behind it. This is a visual medium above all; if you're set on doing things this way (Annie and Mort see one thing, Kat another) then invert the scenario: show us amazing landscapes with incomprehensible architecture and maddening creatures roaming about. Have Annie and Mort appropriately humbled and revering while Kat keeps her nonchalant schtick: instantly figuring the whole place out, storming from one demonic Escher-esque room to another until she reaches a skull throne floating in a starless sky, sits down, yawns, and easily manipulates an ungodly necro-device to summon Jeanne's victims' souls from the Eye of Jupiter. Or something.  I think it's more interesting to have had Kat's point of view rather than a series of video game scenes.Plus if we had it your way, the thread would have complained that Kat was a Mary Sue if she's both a technowizard and a necrowizard.
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Mar 5, 2014 00:19
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Cat Mattress posted:
You thought this chapter was interesting? Which part? Legitimately curious. And the bonus page showing Kat's point of view would (in theory) prevent Mary Sue accusations. Also, the stuff I said was instant rear end-pull to illustrate my point; I'm sure Tom could have made an interesting "true" ROTD. But I guess blank walls and VCR's are fun too!
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seravid posted:An "aimless" chapter dedicated to exploring the comic's universe is fine, but confining the cast - for weeks - in a tiny, featureless, purple/green gradient room where they stand around and talk and occasionally point fingers was a terrible idea, especially when it's hinted that something grandiose and awe-inspiring hides behind it. This is a visual medium above all; if you're set on doing things this way (Annie and Mort see one thing, Kat another) then invert the scenario: show us amazing landscapes with incomprehensible architecture and maddening creatures roaming about. Have Annie and Mort appropriately humbled and revering while Kat keeps her nonchalant schtick: instantly figuring the whole place out, storming from one demonic Escher-esque room to another until she reaches a skull throne floating in a starless sky, sits down, yawns, and easily manipulates an ungodly necro-device to summon Jeanne's victims' souls from the Eye of Jupiter. Or something. Didn't really help with the persistent nagging sense that Kat is, in fact, still a bit of a Sue who can do no wrong either.
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I think that's truer of Kat than it is of Annie, since Annie has a few "moments" that are clearly not her finest.
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Mar 5, 2014 00:54
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I want the next chapter to be nothing but two inconsequential characters standing in a featureless room, describing problems that Kat solves effortlessly while offscreen. Bonus points if it raises plot points about mysterious secondary characters that are never mentioned ever again.
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Mar 5, 2014 00:56
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Captain Oblivious posted:Didn't really help with the persistent nagging sense that Kat is, in fact, still a bit of a Sue who can do no wrong either. Pick posted:I think that's truer of Kat than it is of Annie, since Annie has a few "moments" that are clearly not her finest. I don't think Kat has really been in any situations that couldn't have been solved by  Barring her and Paz's date. Her and Annie seem to be just basic foils to each other [is that the term?] she couldn't handle Etheric stuff [Like when Annie was in a coma because...bones?] and Annie can't really wrap her head around science. Otherwise she wouldn't need to copy Kat's homework all the time.
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Mar 5, 2014 01:04
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I wonder how deep the Annan even is.
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The Red Queen posted:I wonder how deep the Annan even is. Deep enough to swim beneath the surface if you're a cute green forest guy.
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Pick posted:I think that's truer of Kat than it is of Annie, since Annie has a few "moments" that are clearly not her finest. So had Kat. She's pretty emotionally vulnerable.
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Kat probably is a little due for exhibiting human flaws again though. Most of her recent negative moments have been fairly justified.
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seravid posted:An "aimless" chapter dedicated to exploring the comic's universe is fine, but confining the cast - for weeks - in a tiny, featureless, purple/green gradient room where they stand around and talk and occasionally point fingers was a terrible idea, especially when it's hinted that something grandiose and awe-inspiring hides behind it. This is a visual medium above all; if you're set on doing things this way (Annie and Mort see one thing, Kat another) then invert the scenario: show us amazing landscapes with incomprehensible architecture and maddening creatures roaming about. Have Annie and Mort appropriately humbled and revering while Kat keeps her nonchalant schtick: instantly figuring the whole place out, storming from one demonic Escher-esque room to another until she reaches a skull throne floating in a starless sky, sits down, yawns, and easily manipulates an ungodly necro-device to summon Jeanne's victims' souls from the Eye of Jupiter. Or something. You seem to be putting a lot of weight on the visual component when that's only part of what makes this comic good. The chapter wasn't about blowing people away with stunning art, the chapter was centered around the running joke that Annie/Mort were seeing something different than Kat was, and coming at it from the "breathtaking" perspective takes the attention away from the dialogue. If I'd complain about anything, it'd be that it didn't play up that angle enough (have Mort wax eloquent about the ROTD, make it really clear that Annie/Mort are picking their jaws up off the floor, etc.)
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Tenebrais posted:So had Kat. She's pretty emotionally vulnerable. Thank you for this. I didn't notice the comment about Blaine the Train on this page until I re-read that chapter just now. Made my evening.
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Ironic Twist posted:You seem to be putting a lot of weight on the visual component when that's only part of what makes this comic good. But the written part wasn't that good either and certainly not worth the cost of a more interesting perspective that would somehow steal the spotlight (having both is feasible, you know). Even now that we can read the whole chapter at once, it still feels poorly paced. Just having better compositions - while keeping the Kat-centric point of view - would have, at the very least, made the dull plot more palatable. As it is, this chapter failed on both accounts. I understand the intent, but the joke died long before we made it through the fourteen (!) pages between the setup and the punchline. Thank God he didn't stretch it any longer with more gasps and raised eyebrows.
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Ironic Twist posted:If I'd complain about anything, it'd be that it didn't play up that angle enough (have Mort wax eloquent about the ROTD, make it really clear that Annie/Mort are picking their jaws up off the floor, etc.) I felt it worked better by having you realize as things went on that Annie/Mort were seeing something a lot grander then Kat. There's been moments before when someplace important has been a bit goofy, and you start off thinking it's the case here too. If it was more obvious at the start it would have lost something, in my opinion.
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Regy Rusty posted:Hettie was still cool and I'm still happy with my avatar, however minor a character she may have been. Hettie being a stand-in for impatient fans going "Let's get on with the plot already!" on this page made the character completely worth it.
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Potsticker posted:The Hettie story had a really terrible payoff and the chapter was not very well written or plotted when all was said and done. I actually kind of liked that chapter. It wasn't the most actiony chapter but it showed a lot about Rey's personal growth since the start of the comic.
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Razorwired posted:Hettie being a stand-in for impatient fans going "Let's get on with the plot already!" on this page made the character completely worth it. SIIIIGH
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Razorwired posted:Hettie being a stand-in for impatient fans going "Let's get on with the plot already!" on this page made the character completely worth it. I never noticed that she's even standing directly outside the comic itself
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seravid posted:You thought this chapter was interesting? Which part? Legitimately curious. http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1303 - the door scene http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1304 - entrance http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1305 - credentials http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1306 - verification bat http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1307 - exploring http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1308 - the library http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1309 - moving on http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1310 - what kinda scam? http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1311 - final records http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1312 - chat http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1313 - life of the party http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1314 - mindblowing Honestly, which one could be skipped over, or condensed in a shorter way? Door scene and entrance are necessary to provide the mood of what follows and it'd feel rushed and mundane if the characters didn't properly appreciate their surroundings first. Credentials is an important reveal. If you want to remove the bat scene, you are a bad person. Exploring is already as condensed as could be, and a "breathtaking vistas" rendition of the ROTD would have required making it last for several pages. Library to scam was necessary to switch Kat's mood from amused to annoyed, and it only took a week of updates. Then we get to final records, get some more exposition about psychopomps, and after that we get what Annie and Kat went to find in the first place. seravid posted:And the bonus page showing Kat's point of view would (in theory) prevent Mary Sue accusations. No since it would arrive after the battle is over.
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