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C. Everett Koop posted:What also really didn't help is that this was post-knee surgery Vader, which sapped a lot of the agility that made him notable. He wasn't able to go as well towards the end, that combined with his attitude led to his burial and dismissal. Some of Vader's best work (maybe his best) was his post WWF run in AJPW.
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Triple H was also called "Monarch of the Mat" and "Wrestling Aristocrat" like once each. Who's had the most nicknames? I'm guessing either HBK or Jericho.
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I'm gonna say Undertaker. Let's see, he's The Deadman, The Demon of Death Valley, the Last Outlaw, Red Devil, Big Evil, the Lord of Darkness, The American Bad rear end, the Phenom, and was also called the conscience of the WWE a few times. Comedy Booger Red option.
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I'm trying to remember some older territory day wrestler that was balding, had a beard, wore a yellow shirt that said something along the lines of "I'm Not A Nice Guy" or some other Ox Bakerism, and had his one arm in a cast/wrist protector and used it as his finish. I discovered him before on accident but now I can't remember his name. Does anyone know who that could be?
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Didn't Vader's son do a brief stint in FCW and some Japan stuff? Is/Was he any good?
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How did the Big Show/A-Train and Undertaker handicap WM match come about?
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^ it was a tag match originally with Nathan Jones as Taker's tag partner. Nathan Jones was green as goose poo poo and they pulled him from the match with an injury angle.Endorph posted:Didn't Vader's son do a brief stint in FCW and some Japan stuff? Is/Was he any good? He was green so he didn't have much to show. He was in an apparently okay team with Cory Graves and they were like sleazy alpha male bros and then they jobbed him out in NXT then wanted to repackage him as like Ric Flair but released him.
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WeaponX posted:How did the Big Show/A-Train and Undertaker handicap WM match come about? but then Jones literally just loving ran for it when they touched down in Australia. Ran off into the night like a loving specter. He might very well still be somewhere in the Australian wilderness, surviving off coyotes and kangaroos. So the match became a handicap match. EDIT: Oh wait I got mixed up. They pulled him because he was green and *then* he fled off into the night after mania.
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Sound worse than I thought. It always stuck out to me as such a weird little part of his streak. I guess a tag match would have been even worse and would have practically killed the streak right there.
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I just don't understand why if Vince is a weirdo control freak micromanager that he let Shawn Michaels walk all over him, bury people, throw hissy fits and refuse to job or drop titles to anyone, for years and years. Was he just that big that nobody could say no to him?
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Luigi Thirty posted:I just don't understand why if Vince is a weirdo control freak micromanager that he let Shawn Michaels walk all over him, bury people, throw hissy fits and refuse to job or drop titles to anyone, for years and years. Was he just that big that nobody could say no to him? Not really, I believe he fired Shawn the first time he was in the WWE. His inexplicable friendship or whatever you call it was really weird. I maybe attribute it to the time, WCW was destroying the WWE, there was so much pressure on Vince and it's not like he has an amazing cabal of friends. Nash said on the Steve Austin show that Vince was apart of the Clique though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-TEpiPEVgE
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Mar 5, 2014 10:48
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Luigi Thirty posted:I just don't understand why if Vince is a weirdo control freak micromanager that he let Shawn Michaels walk all over him, bury people, throw hissy fits and refuse to job or drop titles to anyone, for years and years. Was he just that big that nobody could say no to him? It also wasn't too dissimilar to the dynamic Vince had with Hogan when he was in the company in the 80's. So I suppose it was a return to familiar territory for Vince. Edit: Typo. Ghostpilot fucked around with this message at 10:59 on Mar 5, 2014 |
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Luigi Thirty posted:Was he just that big that nobody could say no to him? No, he was too short. More seriously though it all seems to go to backstage politics. Listening in on Austin's podcast one thing stuck out to me, which was when MSG happened, Hall, Nash, HHH, and Shawn all agreed to take over their respective companies until wrestling as a business in the US was controlled by the Kliq. That's something that Nash and Austin both outright said, and from what I know about the Wars and into the current era, that's exactly what happened, when you consider how much power the Kliq held (Taking over WCW with the nWo, taking over WWF with D-X) and still holds (What with HHH being heir apparent to WWE and looking out for his friends, at least, everyone except Hall).
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Shima Honnou posted:No, he was too short. To be fair, it didn't seem like they abandoned Hall, just they couldn't help him, probably because as people they weren't all that much better. Which is why we needed Wrestler Jesus to save him and Jake.
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DDP pretty much deserves to be in the Hall of Fame because the man's a loving miracle worker.
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Shima Honnou posted:DDP pretty much deserves to be in the Hall of Fame because the man's a loving miracle worker. Cool stuff with Jake and Razor aside, he had a pretty nice career in the biz with a fair amount of accomplishments. There are people who accomplished far less as workers in the WWE HOF. So he definitely belongs there.
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Luigi Thirty posted:I just don't understand why if Vince is a weirdo control freak micromanager that he let Shawn Michaels walk all over him, bury people, throw hissy fits and refuse to job or drop titles to anyone, for years and years. Was he just that big that nobody could say no to him? This is why http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/video_reviews/32581/King-Lear-(The-Fall-Of-The-WWF).htm
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Luigi Thirty posted:I just don't understand why if Vince is a weirdo control freak micromanager that he let Shawn Michaels walk all over him, bury people, throw hissy fits and refuse to job or drop titles to anyone, for years and years. Was he just that big that nobody could say no to him? Talent has more leverage when there's actual competition
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Luigi Thirty posted:I just don't understand why if Vince is a weirdo control freak micromanager that he let Shawn Michaels walk all over him, bury people, throw hissy fits and refuse to job or drop titles to anyone, for years and years. Was he just that big that nobody could say no to him? 
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Scott Steiner is pretty convinced that's what it was. Scott Steiner is also insane, but still.
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Why did they stop using local jobbers? It used to be a really quick way to build up a guy by letting him rack up big wins over nobodies, while also preventing endless repetitive matches between the same midcard guys. Is it a cost thing? Or a holdover from the Monday Night Wars where each company constantly wanted to have big names in every segment?
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Writer Cath posted:Why did they stop using local jobbers? It used to be a really quick way to build up a guy by letting him rack up big wins over nobodies, while also preventing endless repetitive matches between the same midcard guys. Don't they still use them for security guards to be beat up?
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bobkatt013 posted:Don't they still use them for security guards to be beat up? I meant more to use as a means of getting a dude over. Last time they did it was Ryback. It's a handy thing that keeps people from having the same matches over and over again.
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Onmi posted:Not really, I believe he fired Shawn the first time he was in the WWE. His inexplicable friendship or whatever you call it was really weird. I maybe attribute it to the time, WCW was destroying the WWE, there was so much pressure on Vince and it's not like he has an amazing cabal of friends. When Nash appeared on Austin's podcast, you got Nash's version of history. To hear it from Nash, he, Shawn, Kid, and Hall decided they needed to protect each other. They put a "Kliq Dressing Room" sign on a locker room door as a prank, and that stirred poo poo up big time, to where Vince got wind of it. Expecting to be punished, they were surprised when Vince walked in, and asked how he could join. Nash smiled, and said something like, "If you want to make money, you're already in.". They brought in Hunter later, because he didn't drink, so he could be their driver.
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What I want to know is how they actually got to officially calling it "The Kliq" and spelling it that way. That's like something my friends and I would do...when we were in first grade.
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Someone with a Network subscription find this in HD. TIA.
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Halloween Jack posted:What I want to know is how they actually got to officially calling it "The Kliq" and spelling it that way. That's like something my friends and I would do...when we were in first grade. Congrats, you've figured out the entire Kliq mentality. Only you and your friends (probably) didn't make millions off of that poo poo.
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Halloween Jack posted:What I want to know is how they actually got to officially calling it "The Kliq" and spelling it that way. That's like something my friends and I would do...when we were in first grade.
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Halloween Jack posted:What I want to know is how they actually got to officially calling it "The Kliq" and spelling it that way. That's like something my friends and I would do...when we were in first grade. There's the Clique (the crew of HBK, HHH, Nash, etc.) and The Kliq, which was HBK's Hulkamania-like fanbase in 1996. The Kliq name was a WWF creation.
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TL posted:There's the Clique (the crew of HBK, HHH, Nash, etc.) and The Kliq, which was HBK's Hulkamania-like fanbase in 1996. The Kliq name was a WWF creation. Vince Russo was the one who convinced HBK to call his fanbase "The Kliq". It never caught on, and HBK hated the idea anyway.
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Umbra Dubium posted:Someone with a Network subscription find this in HD. TIA. It's from the 11/30/98 Raw which sadly isn't on the network.
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Onmi posted:I maybe attribute it to the time, WCW was destroying the WWE, there was so much pressure on Vince and it's not like he has an amazing cabal of friends. sportsgenius86 posted:Talent has more leverage when there's actual competition It's really as simple as this, I think. It seems like modern day fans have either forgotten or don't realize that there was a time when Vince wasn't king and WWE don't own the business. WWE has done a good job writing history to seem like they've always been unstoppable, even when WCW was evilly trying to kill them, but there was a time when there was competition, they were even #2, and wrestlers had leverage. To hear Nash tell it the Kliq just wised up to the cutthroat nature of the business and decided to play ball and work together. And since WCW gave them the ability to walk from WWF (and vice versa) they were able to make things happen. It's probably the closest wrestling will ever come to unionizing. Like, CM Punk walking out on WWE would be a VERY different story if there was a WCW in play. But Vince's Monday Night War win changed the business dramatically.
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Sometimes I like to stop and think how different the world would be if Jericho had been told WCW was going to be sold so he could have bought it out instead of Vince.
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Dave Meltzer posted:Mankind, Goldust and Undertaker filmed a sports related comedy show as part of a pilot with the people who did Second City TV. The gimmick was the three wrestlers were their in their wrestling personas sitting at a bar discussing how-brow subjects such as philosophy. Pinstripe Hourglass fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Mar 5, 2014 |
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I would watch that show forever. Mankind, Goldust and Taker, in kayfabe, discussing philosophy. That sounds loving incredible.
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After reading that, I'm picturing Louie with pro-wrestlers now and I really want that show to exist somehow. I'd name it Ryder.
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Halloween Jack posted:What I want to know is how they actually got to officially calling it "The Kliq" and spelling it that way. That's like something my friends and I would do...when we were in first grade. You're forgetting that the 1990s made it cool and awesome to spell everything differently, like with X's and numbers instead of letters and poo poo. I'm surprised toggle-case never caught on in WWE, frankly.
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sticklefifer posted:You're forgetting that the 1990s made it cool and awesome to spell everything differently, like with X's and numbers instead of letters and poo poo. I'm surprised toggle-case never caught on in WWE, frankly. Sunday Night HeAt
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SirDippingSauce posted:Sunday Night HeAt SuNDAY NIGHT HeAT thank you
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Luigi Thirty posted:SuNDAY NIGHT HeAT thank you Still wrong, SuNDAY N1GHT HeAT
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