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DoctorWhat posted:put this post in a museum Well, if you insist. But can we make sure not to dangle it from the ceiling by wires? It wasn't engineered to withstand that direction of force.
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Yes, I'm literally in the KKK because speciesism seems more accurate than racism. C'mon you guys. Apollodorus posted:What makes me pretty sure you're joking is that there's no way you can argue that there isn't a racial element to the Cardassian treatment of Bajorans, or that the stuff Gul Dukat says about Bajorans (both the patronizing bullshit and the crazy "I should have killed them all!" stuff) isn't vehemently racist. Or, for that matter, Captain Solok's borderline-hate speech towards humans and his calling the Niners all "humans" despite the fact that most of them weren't Terran. Or, get this, they're not the same species so they just don't give a poo poo about non-Cardassians. Like I give no shits about a cow except how to transform them into milk-machines that get turned into hamburgers. Sash! fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Mar 5, 2014 |
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Mar 5, 2014 06:18
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Look at this Stormfront motherfucker.
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Sash! posted:Yes, I'm literally in the KKK because speciesism seems more accurate than racism. Yes but you don't also have sex with the cows and produce halfbreed offspring. The humanoid aliens in Star Trek are people, plain and simple. The Founders don't treat solids like people, they treat solids like dangerous, intelligent animals who must be tamed (Jem'Hadar, Vorta), enticed with treats (Cardassians, Breen), or exterminated (Humans, Klingons, Vulcans, Romulans, those people who got the Quickening, etc.). Q doesn't treat humans as people, though to his (or maybe our?) credit he sees the potential of humans to become truly intelligent in the way the Q are. The Prophets also don't treat humans as people, but rather as tools to use in order to preserve what they consider to be the order of the galaxy. THAT is more like your beef analogy. The Sisko is as a mere hamburger to the Prophets. Apollodorus fucked around with this message at 06:41 on Mar 5, 2014 |
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Apollodorus posted:Yes but you don't also have sex with the cows and produce halfbreed offspring. You don't know that.
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Sash! posted:Yes, I'm literally in the KKK because speciesism seems more accurate than racism. As for the specific example, the Cardassians seemed amply aware that Bajorans were intelligent beings, even if they obviously looked down on them. I just watched Civil Defense last night, and Gul Dukat was talking about how the Bajoran workers were skilled laborers and if they stood down they would be apprehended but not harmed, their families would be safe, etc. While Dukat is an rear end in a top hat, this was presumably something he felt had at least a slender chance of working successfully; if nothing else he is implicitly imputing value, if only economic value, to Bajorans. This is certainly more nuanced than 'they aren't the same species as us, so our moral relation to them is like that between humans and cows.' For that matter, of course, I recall Riker name-dropped that they don't 'enslave animals for food' any more, although I suppose there's also that Cajun restaurant Sisko's father owned. Then again, perhaps he replicated his raw ingredients. Would replicated meat be vegan, I wonder? Considering there was presumably a cow involved in the creation of steak_diane.replicator.
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Sash! posted:Yes, I'm literally in the KKK because speciesism seems more accurate than racism. You wanna know something? Everybody's human.
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Mar 5, 2014 08:07
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This thread is no more than a 'homo sapiens' only club.
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Mar 5, 2014 08:09
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Have we not heard the chimes at
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Alchenar posted:The problem with VI is that the last bit of Kirk/the crew's moral arc is the rape/show-trial of Valeris. Scotty and Uhura are pretty distressed at what's happening, but Kirk is insistent and unapologetic and Spock is absolutely brutal. I'm willing to give VI a little more credit here and suppose that maybe they left it hanging to bring whether or not
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iraqniphobia posted:
Please everyone take a moment and appreciate how much this owns
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Not to instantly poo poo on all CGI, but there's just something magical about knowing that the Enterprise was once a real, physical object that someone photographed.
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Apollodorus posted:(Humans, Klingons, Vulcans, Romulans, those people who got the Quickening, etc.) What, Immortals? When the gently caress did the Clan Macleod get involved with Star Trek?
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:What, Immortals? When the gently caress did the Clan Macleod get involved with Star Trek? Not sure if you're joking but that plague that Bashir cures that the Founders started was also called the Quickening.
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Mar 5, 2014 13:49
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:What, Immortals? When the gently caress did the Clan Macleod get involved with Star Trek? Yeah, I was disappointed when I finally saw the DS9 episode too. Highlander/Star Trek crossover would have been better.
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These last two pages have simultaneously been the best and worst. Is this the true meaning of bij?
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MikeJF posted:Do we have extra security checks for identical twins today? I used to work at a company that sold surveilance gear to the SASR (Special air service regiment), basically australias special forces hard-arses. There was a pair of identical twin brothers who worked for them, both good guys actually, but loving confusing when dealing with them as they both had to wear identical army uniforms. Apparrently it made for exciting times on exercises with the americans when the yanks would freak out because there was the same guy shooting at them from two different locations.
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Cobalt Chloride posted:These last two pages have simultaneously been the best and worst. Is this the true meaning of bij? Well, now we're talking about Highlanders being from "space" instead, are you happy? It goes someone said "rape" someone got mad about it discussion about rape is it racist to hate klingons? Highlander 2 I mean seriously.
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Tighclops posted:Not to instantly poo poo on all CGI, but there's just something magical about knowing that the Enterprise was once a real, physical object that someone photographed. Still is.  
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Alchenar posted:The problem with VI is that the last bit of Kirk/the crew's moral arc is the rape/show-trial of Valeris. Scotty and Uhura are pretty distressed at what's happening, but Kirk is insistent and unapologetic and Spock is absolutely brutal. If it makes you feel any better, Nick Meyer isn't happy about that scene in retrospect.
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I'm not happy about Valeris' sideburns. What the gently caress were they thinking?
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:I'm not happy about Valeris' sideburns. What the gently caress were they thinking? That was entirely Cattrall's idea. Because she knew the character had originally been written as Saavik, she wanted her appearance to be pretty far from previous incarnations -- so she shaved her sideburns.
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Timby posted:Still is. At the most important place - the gift shop!
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I was always disappointed that Vulcan women went from beehives and shiny poo poo to really boring sameness but with slightly longer hair sometimes. And then retroactively boring sameness with slightly longer hair and a catsuit for some reason. Basically what I'm saying is that I love T'Pring and hate T'Pol.
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bobkatt013 posted:At the most important place - the gift shop! The model isn't structurally sound enough anymore to be suspended or hung, as I mentioned a page or two ago. As the Smithsonian rotates exhibits semi-frequently, and it themes its placements (you aren't going to see stuff about the Mars Rover alongside '50s airplanes or whatever), there wasn't really a way to give the Enterprise a permanent home. However, as part of the renovations of the museum a while back, the new three-story gift shop was installed, and so the Enterprise was placed in the lower level -- you can get close to it and examine it in detail, but it's on a stand so the model doesn't suffer any further structural degradation. It's not the most optimal solution, but it makes sense.
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I'm just going to say this. I miss Enterprise, and wish it had seven seasons. I want to see more Romulans and Orions and Andorians. I. MISS. Enterprise. 
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Since the original studio model has been posted a few times, we should post more. NCC-1701D   DS9   Voyager   Is the NX-01 all CGI? Can't find any studio models for it. iraqniphobia fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Mar 5, 2014 |
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iraqniphobia posted:Is the NX-01 all CGI? Can't find any studio models for it. Yep. Voyager went to all-CGI near the end of its run and NX-01 only existed as a computer-generated model.
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Timby posted:The model isn't structurally sound enough anymore to be suspended or hung, as I mentioned a page or two ago. As the Smithsonian rotates exhibits semi-frequently, and it themes its placements (you aren't going to see stuff about the Mars Rover alongside '50s airplanes or whatever), there wasn't really a way to give the Enterprise a permanent home. However, as part of the renovations of the museum a while back, the new three-story gift shop was installed, and so the Enterprise was placed in the lower level -- you can get close to it and examine it in detail, but it's on a stand so the model doesn't suffer any further structural degradation. Pity. Imagine if you could hang it from the roof. 
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iraqniphobia posted:Since the original studio model has been posted a few times, we should post more. I always got a kick how the flagship of the Federation had a crooked starboard nacelle.
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Mar 5, 2014 18:20
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Sash! posted:Yes, I'm literally in the KKK because speciesism seems more accurate than racism. 
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MikeJF posted:Pity. Imagine if you could hang it from the roof. One of my local theatres has a pretty big Enterprise-E model hanging from the lobby ceiling. It's been there at least fifteen years.
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Mar 5, 2014 19:01
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What was the coffin shaped greebly meant to be anyway?
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Tsaedje posted:What was the coffin shaped greebly meant to be anyway? Pretty sure it was intended as a giant-rear end sensor array.
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Tsaedje posted:What was the coffin shaped greebly meant to be anyway? Its to keep all the dead Harry Kim clones.
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Timby posted:Still is. gently caress this is some nasty-rear end airbrushing on this sweet thing.
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iraqniphobia posted:Since the original studio model has been posted a few times, we should post more. It's such a damned crime this poo poo was sold off to some neckbeard fan who will eventually destroy them. THEY BELONG IN A MUSEUM. 
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They should put the model in front of the Mona Lisa in the Louvre for real.
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Wowbagger2004 posted:They should put the model of the 1101A in front of the Mona Lisa in the Louvre for real. 
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