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Smol
Jun 1, 2011

Stat rosa pristina nomine, nomina nuda tenemus.
I just had a game where my teammates didn't have the guts to do anything remotely risky. For example, if we'd agree on rushing B on Dust 2, I'd throw a smoke and 2 nice pop flashes, shout let's go and start running in. 5 seconds later I'd either have the site or be dead but everyone else in my team would still sit tight in the tunnel. :D

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astr0man
Feb 21, 2007

hollyeo deuroga
If you are rushing b and throwing 3 grenades before you leave the tunnel you are not actually rushing b.

Coleman
May 5, 2011

This just in: Beverly Hills 90210, Cleveland Browns 3.

Smol posted:

I just had a game where my teammates didn't have the guts to do anything remotely risky. For example, if we'd agree on rushing B on Dust 2, I'd throw a smoke and 2 nice pop flashes, shout let's go and start running in. 5 seconds later I'd either have the site or be dead but everyone else in my team would still sit tight in the tunnel. :D
Basically what astro said. The whole point of a rush is to take the player(s) at that site by surprise. You try to get as many people as possible into the site before the rotates can come, you lock down the site and hope to hold it down. But if you're tossing in smokes and flashes and "setting up" in the tunnel, the B player is going to call that action is happening, and (for your team) at best only the mid player rotates in and it's a 5v2 take (which is harder with a good cross fire), or at worst, the A plat player rotates as well and it's a 5v3 which can be pretty difficult.

Smol
Jun 1, 2011

Stat rosa pristina nomine, nomina nuda tenemus.
You don't have to stop to throw them. I copied it off one of Adren's videos.

http://youtu.be/9LkmWXSpr14

mcvey
Aug 31, 2006

go caps haha

*Washington Capitals #1 Fan On DeviantArt*

Smol posted:

You don't have to stop to throw them. I copied it off one of Adren's videos.

http://youtu.be/9LkmWXSpr14

Nah this is a great setup(all of Adrens videos are) your team was just crap because you were MMing. Goonman more, 75% of the players are mostly terrible and won't help you but at least it's not 100%.

What I like to do with a good B spawn is enter then tunnels, make a quick left behind the pillar and throw a flashbang deep off the lefthand wall. It catches the CT entering B early enough that he should be blind and if not he'll usually be caught up at the doors.

mcvey fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Mar 5, 2014

Smol
Jun 1, 2011

Stat rosa pristina nomine, nomina nuda tenemus.

mcvey posted:

Nah this is a great setup(all of Adrens videos are) your team was just crap because you were MMing. Goonman more, 75% of the players are mostly terrible and won't help you but at least it's not 100%.

The problem with goonman is that the server is in Chicago (I think). Don't want to ruin the game for everyone with 150 ping.

Good soup!
Nov 2, 2010

It is. Where are you located?

Smol
Jun 1, 2011

Stat rosa pristina nomine, nomina nuda tenemus.

Awesome Welles posted:

It is. Where are you located?

Finland.

Edit:

Just had my first decent matchmaking game of the day. The others didn't have mics, but we worked decently as a team and I even had some nice 1v3 and 1v4 clutches (still waiting for my first MM ace :v:). Can't wait to play at levels where this happens more than once per day.

Smol fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Mar 6, 2014

ColoradoCleric
Dec 26, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Can you not pay the $3 directly for the pass anymore? Am I stuck adding $5 worth of funds just to make a $3 purchase?

Pr0phecy
Apr 3, 2006
Can you put the same sticker on the same gun multiple times?

Apogee15
Jun 16, 2013

Pr0phecy posted:

Can you put the same sticker on the same gun multiple times?

yes.

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
newbies dot gif

StabMasterArson
May 31, 2011

Got a spare Operation Pheonix ticket thing if someone needs it, add me : http://steamcommunity.com/id/lljkSMA/

e: gone!!

StabMasterArson fucked around with this message at 03:55 on Mar 6, 2014

Xile77
Sep 18, 2003
<img alt="" border="0" src="https://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/customtitles/title-xile77.jpg" /><br />I love my fellow semen

It seemed like a good idea at the time!

OwnedByNiko
Jan 15, 2014
No gif for the Man of Knife + 2 kills from da back Chi?

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
I finally got ranked and I'm a gold nova 4, should I be sad/happy I don't know what that means

PelvicThrust
Oct 22, 2009

And one for the doctor

Wowporn posted:

I finally got ranked and I'm a gold nova 4, should I be sad/happy I don't know what that means

I don't think there's really a superior starting point. That said, I started out at the same rank, I'm a sheriff now, and I've gotten a game or two away a few times from eagle mostly solo queue so you can rank up through :effort:. The first 10 games aren't really indicative anyway. Or MM as a whole for that matter. 64 tick sucks and teams are so inconsistent. Don't take it as a measure of your true skill. I've seen ESEA main players as double ak's and poo poo.

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization


BEACH I'M A NOVA 1 WE'RE EQUALS NOW

Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake

PelvicThrust posted:

I've gotten a game or two away a few times from eagle mostly solo queue so you can rank up through :effort:.

How do you know this?

Eyke
Oct 15, 2013

Man with a dream to have fun.
some of the AK's need to come out of the woodworks and MM. I've let my rank fall enough its time to get back on that horse.

hello internet
Sep 13, 2004

Wowporn posted:

I finally got ranked and I'm a gold nova 4, should I be sad/happy I don't know what that means

Solo matchmaking actually becomes fun when you get to ranks where having nova teammates is unusual

mega dy
Dec 6, 2003

hello internet posted:

Solo matchmaking actually becomes fun when you get to ranks where having nova teammates is unusual
I think I prefer nova teammates

Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake

Eyke posted:

some of the AK's need to come out of the woodworks and MM. I've let my rank fall enough its time to get back on that horse.

Sorry. I just discovered Dark Souls so it may be a while.

Eyke
Oct 15, 2013

Man with a dream to have fun.

Necc0 posted:

Sorry. I just discovered Dark Souls so it may be a while.

I won't hold it against you then. That game was fun, though I never did do the pvp.

But those around AK should wake up tonight to do some MM. preferably after work is over. Or we can just make goonmans die again a sad angsty death.

BAD AT STUFF
May 10, 2012

We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because fuck you.
Just deliberately abandoned a game of MM for the first time. Someone ditched the bomb on the pistol round and we had to go back and get it. We ended up losing and the team starts talking about how we've lost the game already. Then once we get guns one guy starts smoking our side of mid every round to gently caress with our AWPers. The last straw was when I got a kill long, start to push up and die to find that my team has turned around and run off. Meanwhile our bomb carrier is on the other side of the map trying (and failing) to chuck the bomb out of bounds.

Basically what I'm saying is gently caress solo queueing, I'm done for awhile.

its curtains for Kevin
Nov 14, 2011

Fruit is proof that the gods exist and love us.

Just kidding!

Life is meaningless
I recommend buying a Stattrak Tec-9 or Deagle , or maybe a UMP or some poo poo and just playing some gimmick MM for a while. It's very relaxing.

weekly font
Dec 1, 2004


Everytime I try to fly I fall
Without my wings
I feel so small
Guess I need you baby...



Sorry to Rahl and the goons I was matchmaking with. My comp crashed (Steam loves to kill it for whatever reason) and I only had one game left in me anyway.

hello internet
Sep 13, 2004

Eyke posted:

I won't hold it against you then. That game was fun, though I never did do the pvp.

But those around AK should wake up tonight to do some MM. preferably after work is over. Or we can just make goonmans die again a sad angsty death.

I've been solo dropping as Master Guardian 2 almost every night. What's your name on steam?

PelvicThrust
Oct 22, 2009

And one for the doctor

Necc0 posted:

How do you know this?

There seems to be a definitive number of consecutive wins that causes you to rank up at certain areas. Double AK to badge is 3 consecutive wins (and that seems to be the norm for a lot of ranks). I've been told that badge to eagle is a big jump, it was either 7 or 8 consecutive wins, I can't remember. Getting a loss seems to mix up that formula a bit.

Love Stole the Day
Nov 4, 2012
Please give me free quality professional advice so I can be a baby about it and insult you

Salt Fish posted:

Did someone say match making?



I reqlly really really want to watch the demo of this.

Watching replays of good players pooping on bad players and carrying feeders are like gold when it comes to learning how to improve.

deetee
Apr 22, 2008

PelvicThrust posted:

There seems to be a definitive number of consecutive wins that causes you to rank up at certain areas. Double AK to badge is 3 consecutive wins (and that seems to be the norm for a lot of ranks). I've been told that badge to eagle is a big jump, it was either 7 or 8 consecutive wins, I can't remember. Getting a loss seems to mix up that formula a bit.

I've been sitting at DMG for over 200 hours played. Got de-ranked to double-AK for 2 of those hours at some point. I truly think you need to play with at least 3-4 players in MM regularly to get past badge, or get lucky. Can't solo-queue grind this poo poo.

Eyke
Oct 15, 2013

Man with a dream to have fun.

hello internet posted:

I've been solo dropping as Master Guardian 2 almost every night. What's your name on steam?

Eyke, I've been in chat lately when I can play or am around.

deetee posted:

I've been sitting at DMG for over 200 hours played. Got de-ranked to double-AK for 2 of those hours at some point. I truly think you need to play with at least 3-4 players in MM regularly to get past badge, or get lucky. Can't solo-queue grind this poo poo.

I feel like aim can take you to DMG and after that you have to start knowing when to move or not to. Basically start being more of a team player. Any synergy you have with players will make that easier. though lately I just run and gun retarded with a negev for fun, Sometimes when I was higher up I felt like I was a little behind in rotations, or I shouldn't have.

deetee
Apr 22, 2008

Eyke posted:

Eyke, I've been in chat lately when I can play or am around.


I feel like aim can take you to DMG and after that you have to start knowing when to move or not to. Basically start being more of a team player. Any synergy you have with players will make that easier. though lately I just run and gun retarded with a negev for fun, Sometimes when I was higher up I felt like I was a little behind in rotations, or I shouldn't have.

My gamesense took me to DMG not my aim. The aim is here now and I haven't lost the gamesense, but it still just doesn't matter. If it truly is 7 games in a row to get to Eagle, there's no way I'm getting 7 games worth of good communicating, actually trying, somewhat decent at the game teammates.

astr0man
Feb 21, 2007

hollyeo deuroga

PelvicThrust posted:

There seems to be a definitive number of consecutive wins that causes you to rank up at certain areas. Double AK to badge is 3 consecutive wins (and that seems to be the norm for a lot of ranks). I've been told that badge to eagle is a big jump, it was either 7 or 8 consecutive wins, I can't remember. Getting a loss seems to mix up that formula a bit.

This is not how ELO works

Eyke
Oct 15, 2013

Man with a dream to have fun.

deetee posted:

My gamesense took me to DMG not my aim. The aim is here now and I haven't lost the gamesense, but it still just doesn't matter. If it truly is 7 games in a row to get to Eagle, there's no way I'm getting 7 games worth of good communicating, actually trying, somewhat decent at the game teammates.

This was just how I felt for my case. I no longer remember names of places since its been years and just a little behind being where I need to be.

its curtains for Kevin
Nov 14, 2011

Fruit is proof that the gods exist and love us.

Just kidding!

Life is meaningless
My incessant need to use my growing Stattrak collection in ranked is probably why I'm still Nova 2. :(

Jeza
Feb 13, 2011

The cries of the dead are terrible indeed; you should try not to hear them.

astr0man posted:

This is not how ELO works

I agree, but what I will say is that it has never taken me more than 5-6 consecutive wins to rank up, solo queue, immediately starting from a rank. That of course, is net, so every loss adds another win requirement. By my wholly subjective and flawed estimation, the gap between ranks is around 5 wins against teams of even rank.

Another thing I notice is that if you are about to derank, you are much more likely to be the highest/joint highest ranked player on the server, thus giving an easier game, and if you are about to rank up you are playing against equal or higher skill bracketed players. Probably this is mostly confirmation bias though.

I ranked from a starting rank of Master Guardian II up to Supreme Master First Class. I also shuttlecocked for quite a while around DMG-Legendary Eagle Master depending on the will of the gods.

At the highest echelons a significant amount of games contain a cheater, or team stacks which makes solo queuing pretty untenable. I'd say at around Eagle Master (if you ranked alone) you are either skilled or lucky enough to move onto playing with a proper team. Less stress/more fun.


edit: Another thought which I wonder about is that I don't think it can be running a completely normal ELO system because if you derank, in theory you should be able to uprank again in one game, but in practice I never experienced this. I had to win multiple games to gain a lost rank. If it was simple ELO this makes no sense.

In my mind it seems possible that each rank has its own self-contained ELO, so like, at Legendary Eagle you might start at 1250 ELO. Each win is worth 10, each loss is worth -10. Win 5 and rank up, and you start at 1350 for Legendary Eagle Master. Likewise, if you lose 5 straight, you derank to DMG and you start at 1150.

But also it seems easier to rank back up a second time than it is to move up a rank for the first time, so I dunno what the gently caress :iiam:

Jeza fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Mar 6, 2014

deetee
Apr 22, 2008

Jeza posted:

I agree, but what I will say is that it has never taken me more than 5-6 consecutive wins to rank up, solo queue, immediately starting from a rank. That of course, is net, so every loss adds another win requirement. By my wholly subjective and flawed estimation, the gap between ranks is around 5 wins against teams of even rank.

Another thing I notice is that if you are about to derank, you are much more likely to be the highest/joint highest ranked player on the server, thus giving an easier game, and if you are about to rank up you are playing against equal or higher skill bracketed players. Probably this is mostly confirmation bias though.

I ranked from a starting rank of Master Guardian II up to Supreme Master First Class. I also shuttlecocked for quite a while around DMG-Legendary Eagle Master depending on the will of the gods.

At the highest echelons a significant amount of games contain a cheater, or team stacks which makes solo queuing pretty untenable. I'd say at around Eagle Master (if you ranked alone) you are either skilled or lucky enough to move onto playing with a proper team. Less stress/more fun.

I thought the same as you regarding ranking up/down and playing players of higher skill/lower skill respectively (I believe that's the ELO system they use in SC2). The other day I had a game where I played pretty well, and ended up top-fragging. Myself and one other person were the only non-eagles in the game. Yet, I didn't rank up. The next game I was with AK's and DMG's. So I'm not sure that that is how the system works.

I wonder if inactivity effects it at all a well? Does the system adjust your rank if you don't play for awhile?

e: I have also noticed that if you de-rank it is much easier to re-obtain your previous rank. I also have no idea what the gently caress.

astr0man
Feb 21, 2007

hollyeo deuroga
If you don't play for a while your rank disappears.

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deetee
Apr 22, 2008

astr0man posted:

If you don't play for a while your rank disappears.

Does it really though, or is it hidden?

Do you need to do another 10 games?

I know you don't know these answers, I just wish there was more transparency with the system.

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